OldTimer1960

If that is true, then Bills should not trade up for any of these guys if they aren’t better prospects than Davis Webb.

The reasoning is solid, but there is certainly no guarantee that the Bills will get a shot at a QB worth drafting with either of their picks.

But, the original post suggested that the Giants should not do the exact thing that we want the Bills to do. I honestly think it will be a long-term mistake if the Giants trade 2 instead of taking a QB. My reasoning is that Eli is close to done, if not done and they won’t likely be picking as high as 2nd again anytime soon. My view is that, while we’d like the Giants to pass on a QB and trade 2 for 12 & 22 & ?, we would all be furious if we were Giants fans and they did that.

If Denver, who needs a franchise QB, wants to move out, why do you want that pick for a QB?

Is Lorenzo Carter a fit for a 4-3? From what I can tell, he is an undersized DE in a 4-3 or a 3-4 OLB.

Again, if QB-needy Denver trades out of 5, then you KNOW that they did not like the remaining QBs at all.

Well sure, if they can get up for a QB that the like, that should be the plan. However, there is a real chance that they can’t get into position to beat a QB that they like. Let’s say that they like 3 QBs a lot - in that scenario, there is a good chance that they will get shut-out. If that happens, and I’d say it is a 50-50 chance, it would be worse to just tak a QB to get one than to trade out or to take a very good prospect at another position.

I am not an Allen fan, but I can’t see why he can’t be as good as Cam Newton. If you build a good OL to give him time, I think his completion % will be >60% and he will have several big plays down field with a decent receiving corp. i sort of think Newton is a good comp for Allen. Both have excellent arm strength, neither are anticipatory throwers, both have great size, both are running threats (Newton advantage). Anyone see it similarly?

If that is a good strategy, then why shouldn’t the Bills just sit tight and load up the roster aside from QB then go “all in” next year for a QB?

I think that Rudolph is a borderline 1st/2nd round QB. I don’t think taking him at 22 is a terrible reach. I do think that Falk is a 4th/5th round pick. i could accept coming out of this draft without a QB, depending on who went before the Bills’ pick. I think it is likely that the Bills don’t like at least one of the big 4 QBs. In that scenario, I could see them trading out of 12 for a first next year or a later 1 and 2nd or third this year. It it would suck for sure to not get a QB, but if the price is exorbitant and you can’t get one they like, then what can you do?

What does it feel like with your head in the sand? Not being able to or not wanting to trade up (due to picks before the pick we could reasonably get is a very real possibility.

Well thought out, sir. As to the Broncos possibly trading out of pick 5 - the Broncos surely need a QB to be the long-term answer as I can’t imagine that they think that Case Keenum is that answer. So, if the Broncos are willing to trade from 5 to 12, it very likely means that they don’t think that whomever is left at QB is a long-term answer that is better than Keenum. While it is true that the Broncos may not be the be-all-end-all at evaluating QBs, it would leave me with great concern that a team that really needs a “franchise” QB would be willing to trade out of a spot that we want in to so that we can get a QB.

I think the leadership and chip on the shoulder are very similar between Mayfield and Flutie, but I think Mayfield has a stronger arm and is more accurate. I think Mayfield is about 2.5” taller and built thicker than Flutie. i admired Flutie, but I think Mayfield is a better NFL prospect.

I'm not arguing against trying to get a good QB prospect, just suggesting that this year may be rough because, in the best case, they will be playing a rookie QB and a number of other rookies as well. In worst case, they will be playing McCarron and a bunch of rookies. It would not be horrible if they have a 6 win season while getting a rookie QB and other position players experience, but it would really hurt if they have traded away next year's #1 to see it be a top-10 pick (that is, if they could have traded this year's 22nd and kept next year's #1).

I think top 10 is a distinct possibility for the Bills' pick next year. There are a lot of glaring holes on this team. If they trade several high picks to move up this year (like 12, & 22 and next year's first) to get a QB, then you have either McCarron or a rookie QB starting with little or no experience AND you still have a lot of holes, a few filled with 53, 56, 65 this year, but those are still rookies. I think 6 wins +/-1 is about right for what to expect this season. Given what the Jets gave up to go from 6 to 3, I think your offer looks low.

And that would be a pretty good outcome for a player picked where Lawson was. I think if he gets healthy and in top shape for him, he could be get 7 sacks and be a very good run defender - and that would be fine if he can do that for multiple years.

Too impractical to list all of the good NFL coaches who have been fired. How about Marv Levy as an example? Wade Phillips is a MASTER DC and he has been let go as well. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that Fairchild achieved on their levels, but his opinion should carry some weight as a guy who had multiple gigs in the NFL and college.

I’m with you on this. Many here would have run Bruce Smith out of town after his rookie season (6.5 sacks as the #1 overall pick)

You understand that even the mighty Bill Belichick is “former Browns’ head coach”... What “metrics”? I am am not a fan of drafting Allen, especially if it involves trading up. BUT, in >30 years of following the draft, I’ve learned to check myself and realize that sometimes the pros know more than the draft pundits, media and fans. That doesn’t mean that they are always right and the pundits wrong, but by my recollection a lot of times the pundits/media have criticized an NFL executive for a move it hasn’t panned out the way that the media thought it would.

Problem is you can’t really try again soon if you trade a boatload to move to 2.

I’m also in the “it depends” camp. I can’t fathom giving away 12, 22 and a 1st next year for any of these QB prospects. Heck, there are only a few established NFL QBs I would trade that much for - Rodgers and, well I don’t know who else. I would of trade that much for Brady or Brees due to their age.

My view as well.

Agreed

Not on my deathbed , at least as far as I know!

Well done. Personally, I wouldn’t give up more than a 2nd for Foles and I would not even want to do that. Doesn’t mean i’m right, just my opinion.