OldTimer1960

40.5” vert is better than many NBA players

Are you in EVERY thread saying the same thing?

Funny!

They probably forgot - should have called to remind them. They were short on DBs and backup DBs often play on special teams.

Do you think that they failed to check the internet draft rankings and foolishly used their own?

I agree, at this point it is better to go after a player who has a shot to help your team at any position regardless of need.

Perhaps the play was designed as a roll out to throw to the receiver in the flat and he improvised that throw when he saw the guy open deep. We don't know. Are you saying that Wyoming had great mismatches due to their talent?

I’ll jump to Kelsay’s defense - he was high motor and a much better player than he got credit for.

Mike Lodish was actually pretty good. I wouldn’t say equal to Kyle Williams, but I remember him as a good player.

But, if your one of the teams that didn’t, he would have to be tempting now

I thought he was medically cleared? I guess that doesn’t mean some teams might take him off their board.

Anyone like the idea of Maurice Hurst if he makes it to 96? Harrison Phillips might still be available too

Yes, totally agree. i am waiting for the media meltdown over Allen’s first incomplete pass in trading camp. People are ready to run him out of town and he hasn’t played a down here. Allen is a gamble on greatness with a low floor. Didn’t people here argue “just take a big swing”? They did and we won’t know for at least 2 year’s if they were right or not. The tools are there and he is reportedly a hard worker. I was hoping for Rosen over Allen, but I can see why they took their shot on Allen.

I don’t think he has played as much football against good competition as the other top prospects. Grew up in a small town, not a football hotbed. Two years at Wyoming- I hope he will get better with experience- by all accounts I’ve heard he will put in a lot of work.

You don’t have to be a great player to be a good coach. Often the guys who managed to carve out a career as a backup know more about the technical aspects of playing than the great players who can get by with superior physical talent.

This is a pick for the long-term. They didn’t make this pick being unaware that Rosen will be better than Allen in 2018 and maybe 2019. They obviously felt that in the long run Allen has a chance to be very good. They know that there will be a significant learning curve, but are betting on a big payoff over his, hopefully long and successful career. His size, arm and athleticism are what they are betting on - just like the Ravens are with Lamar Jackson. Are they right? None of us will know for at least 2-3 years.

I think they will take one tonight.

Both 2nd round picks were in the last 1/3 of the round - neither was early in the 2nd

That would be an interesting move, particularly OL. I am hopeful that Jonathan Miller can reemerge and take one of the OG spots, but the OL really lost a lot of talent this offseason.

I wouldn't say they have plenty of picks left - last pick in the third round - 63 picks before then, a late 4th and, I think a couple of 5ths. i am excited by the Edmunds selection and, while I wouldn't have taken Allen, I'm trying to be optimistic that with a good OL and a WR or two he might play something like Cam Newton. Regarding the Newton comment, I am not parroting someone else's' comment - I said that in a thread here a few days ago.

I also see Cam Newton level upside for Allen - and DerekAnderson downside.

Love this pick. Addresses a need with a very high potential player who, at 19, excelled at a high level in college and has great size and tremendous speed. Imagine him in two years with 10 LBs more muscle mass and still great speed with added experience.

Allen is a bet on great physical tools and, reportedly, a good work ethic and intelligence. Wyoming to the NFL is a huge step up in competition AND the trades tonight have depleted the team of valuable draft picks who might have brought badly needed OL and WR help. if they are smart, they will not throw the rookie in behind that dumpster fire OL with little receiving help to boot. unfortunately, McCarron is the sacrificial lamb to take one for the team. This has the look of a team that has top 10, maybe top 5, pick potential. I’m thinking 6-10 in the optimistic end.

It isn’t baseball where a pitcher who can’t throw strikes at any level is a problem. i agree that he is a major gamble and I don’t know if he will succeed at the NFL level, but to those who say accuracy can’t be improved, at least consider that he might be better if he isn’t running for his life while looking for receivers who can’t get open, but yet he has to chuck because that is his team’s only chance. He might be analogous to a great college basketball player on an overmatched team. His shooting percentage may be negatively affected by having to take ill-advised shots because it is his team’s best chance to win.