OldTimer1960

Boy, if you didn’t know that those plays were few and far between....

? How do you draw that conclusion- unless I missed sarcasm ?

Missed that -for what?

I think that the Browns will be much better, but mostly because they already have some good talent and because they have picks 1, 4, 33 and 35. IF they choose not to draft a QB at 1 or 4 (I think that would be dumb), they could draft Saquan Barkley and probably come back with the Norte Dame OG and have the 2 highest rated players in the draft. They also just acquired Jarvis Landry for a pick this year both reported to be less than a 2nd round pick. Now that Bills have their 3rd, must be 4th or later this year. I *could* imagine, but wouldn’t agree with, that Browns plan to hold onto Deshone Kiser and let him decompress behind Taylor for a while. Kiser has a live arm and had some good moments among his bad moments.

Absolutely thrilled with getting the 65th pick for Taylor. I thought that they would get at best a 4th- happily i was wrong.

Well, yes he might be very good. Seriously, even trading up to the top of the draft, you still hope to find a good starter. There are VERY few Bradys, Rodgers and Brees

So the plan is to find the greatest QB of all time and let him single-handedly carry the team? Not very realistic IMHO.

I don't think Foles has somehow "turned a corner" and the "light has gone on" such that he will be a top-10 QB for next several years. Could he be a decent starter for a year or three? Sure, that might be possible. I think he'd probably be lucky to be Andy Dalton level over an extended period of time - that's OK. If they Bills trade a 2nd or more for Foles, they are surely not trading a bunch more to move up for a rookie. The investment in picks would be too great between those two options. If the Bills want to sit tight and see what QB falls to them at 21 and make a value judgment whether that guy is better or worse long-term than Foles, I could see that, but I would not even expect them to use the 21st pick on a rookie QB AND trade a 2nd or more for Foles. I could see it being possible that the Bills do wait to see who is available at 21 and then decide that they don't like those options as possible long-term answers. If that is the case, perhaps, they could then slide a 2nd to Philly for Foles as an interim guy until they can find a good prospect. I would be very hard pressed to say that Foles is worth a 1st round pick when very good veteran players at other positions are being traded for 4th round picks (see Michael Bennett trade).

Could he be a place holder for a year or two? Maybe, but to think he is a long-term answer is, I think, wishful thinking. He had one miracle season then flamed out. His regular season performances this year were not great, but he did get hot in this year’s playoffs. If you believe that his hot streak in the playoffs with a very talented team means that he could carry an under talented team, then I disagree. If the Bills just want someone to hold the position with marginally competent play, he can do that. However, to me you’d want more from the draft picks that you’d need to give Philly for him. Not in my opininion for even a 2nd round pick. I hope that they would laugh at the Eagles request of a 1st round pick plus some.

How many QBs have had the”light come on” after 6 mostly nondescript years - the last 3 as a not-sought-after backup. His career stats can be seen here: http://www.nfl.com/player/nickfoles/2532842/careerstats in his last year as a starter he completed 56% of his passes for 186 yards per game with 7 TDS and 10 Ints. That is below EJ standards.

Your line of reasoning is sound, but look at Foles’ career - one great season followed by four not-so-good years. Even this miraculous season was underwhelming. This MIRACLE season, Foles completed 56% of his passes with a 5-2 TD to INT ratio. He surely had a nice run in the playoffs, but his career suggests that he won’t be able to continue that success. I would favor Mike White, Luke Falk or Kyle Lauletta in the 2nd/3rd round over trading even a 2nd for Foles.

Yes, the Browns are sitting in THE position of power in this draft. I strongly believe that they may go from 0-16 to 8-8 this year. They already have some very good defensive talent and are not devoid of talent on offense. If they nab Saquon Barkley and, say Mayfield in the first, they then get the 1st and 3rd pick of the 2nd round with another 2nd later. If they make good on those selections, they can be contenders for a long time.

Agreed. I hope that they keep him and he is healthy.

Good post. For sure nobody really knows how NFL teams view these guys, but for sure there are differing opinions between how teams view a given player.

QB is different than any other position because the supply of long-term answers is so low. You are in a much bigger hole if you don't have a good QB than if you don't have a good CB.

To me, if you try to get cute and trade down then pick him, then you don't really think he has a good chance to be a long-term answer. If that is the case, then wait and don't take him unless he is still available much later. However, if you think he has a good chance to be the long-term answer, why gamble - just take him at 21.

I was responding to you saying that 20 reps wasn't very impressive. Are you saying that it IS impressive for most people, but NOT impressive because you believe that the sleeve that fits over his arm where his hand is gives him a mechanical advantage? If you think that gave him an advantage, is it your hands that give out first on the BP or your chest/shoulders?

He out-lifted quite a fair number of the LBs and was competitive with many more (ie, within 1 or 2 reps). DE Marcus Davenport who is considerably bigger did 22 reps. I think that is quite an accomplishment.

If they think that Rudolph is a potential long-term starter for them, they should just take him in the first with 21 or 22. If they would contemplate waiting and hoping that he is available at 53, then they don't think he is likely to be a long-term answer.

I don’t know that you need a 4000 yard passer to win games, but you do need production in the passing game and at least the threat that you can pass the ball effectivel.

Didn’t he also build a team that went to 4 consecutive Super Bowls? His resume is more than solid gold. I suspect that all teams do what you have suggested here.

Jackson has SO much potential, but he could easily bust badly as well. I would not blame them if they were to draft Jackson. I, personally, would like an option with a higher floor.

If they were to trade what will be required to move up for Rosen, they will by definition be nearly positive that he is the long-term answer. In those circumstances, I would be shocked if they picked another QB with one of their (few) remaining picks. NICE.

Peterman is in no way guaranteed a roster spot. He was a 5th round pick. They can as easily move replace him as they did Cardale Jones. Can you provide some supporting analysis?

That's kind of how I saw it as well. I think he has the *potential* to be a decent starter, but doesn't have the upside that some of the other QBs have. I don't see much lacking in him, but his level of competition makes it hard to judge.