OldTimer1960

And you know this how? Do you believe that completion percentage is affected by supporting cast? His OL was under-manned and his receivers were not very good. i don’t know if he will be a good pro, but for sure he was handicapped by his supporters cast. Can we maybe agree that he has a BIG arm and was handicapped by his supporting cast? I don’t know if he can succeed at the NFL level, but I do believe his team made him look worse than he is. Completion percentage is also linked to his OL. If his OL provided little protection AND. His receivers couldn’t get open, it would be hard to blame him.

A 1st this year straight up should be worth a 1st and 2nd next year, IF you can find a buyer. Picks in the next year are typically discounted by a round.

That may be true. My point isn’t to say that trading up isn’t possible, just that the Bills are not extravagantly rich in draft picks compared to Denver and the Jets. i personally would be surprised if any team would give more than a 3rd for Glenn coming off a season lost to injury and I’d be shocked to get better than a 4th for TT.

This is a common misconception. If you look at a draft value chart (below is a version updated last year), through the first 3 rounds the Jets have more draft value (793) than the Bills (757) - even though the Bills have one more pick. Denver (723) has very close to the same value as the Bills. https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/23/15398184/2017-nfl-draft-creating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart Again, Jets’ picks through the first 3 rounds are higher in value than the Bills’ and the Denver’s’ are very close.

Cleveland is going to get better very quickly - they have 6 of the first 65 picks in this draft. Imagine if they nab Barkley, Mayfield, and then a top WR and TE with picks 33 and 35. Mayock brought up a good question regarding Vander Esch - how could he have been only a one year starter? Not a disqualifier, but something to be sure you understand before drafting him early.

I don’t think he will be picked ahead of Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield, but I do think he will be picked in round 1. He has so much physical talent, including arm strength, Some team will think that they can make him great. i honestly don’t know how he will do in the NFL - depends on how much he can improve his passing and how much the team that drafts him designs their offense around him. His running ability can threaten a defense to the point that it helps receivers get open for easier passes.

Right on

Congratulations - you won douche post of the year with this one.

Yeah, every Mayfield game cut-up that I've watched has Andrews making several plays.

Yes, will take a lot to outbid them.

Who is Mike Tanier?

I do.

By the nature of the deal ( including high picks next year) you are taking the hit for two years. Reasonable chance that after that the prize QB is shell-shocked or run out of town because he didn’t single-handedly carry the team. Now, it *could* work out the way that you’ve described, but young QBs getting crushed is no generally a recipe for success.

Problem is, how do you build around him if you give up a ton of high picks just to get him? You can add in FA, but that isn’t enough to build a strong roster. Again, if you can draft Brady or Rodgers, you might be all set.

If they could get Mayfield for 21, 22 a 2nd this year and next - I would consider that - i just don’t think that gets them into the top 5

Agreed.

If the point was that If only they could get the best QB they would immediately be Super Bowl contenders, then I disagree. Sure, a FEW all-time greats have carried their whole team to Super Bowls (Brady, Farve and who?), but there are studs who never won a SB - I can’t think of a QB who was better than Dan Marino and he never won one. For the VAST majority, supporting cast matters and the Bills’ supporting cast is currently lacking.

I posted that and the point was that the Rams had a LOT of talent on their roster before they drafted Goff. They had been drafting early for several years (with same coaches and front office) and had extra high picks from the bounty that the Skins traded them for the right to draft Robert Griffin.

Right on!

Posted this in another thread - Goff came after the Rams had fortified the roster with several years of high draft picks. Here is the Rams’ 2017 depth chart. They have 7 of their own 1st round picks. They also have another 6 of their own 2nd and 3rd round picks starting. They’ve also added via FA or trade: Watkins (1), Whitworth (2), Mark Barron (1), Robert Woods (2). That is, 17 of their 22 starters were drafted in rounds 1, 2 and 3. That is a very impressive roster - they were not a ragtag bunch of bums that Goff magically transformed to winners. http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/LAR

I would not complain. I’ve been a draft nut since they first started televising it on ESPN. That perspective let’s me see that while the draft analysts get a good general picture of the prospects, they are not the experts. Heck, I love reading opinions of former NFL scouts, but those former scouts do not (and cannot possibly) put as much time in on the draft prospects as an entire NFL team scouting staff. Further, the draft pundits don’t have the same access to college coaches as the NFL teams do. Finally, even the NFL scouts are not exactly infallible- Brady in the 6th, Brees in the 2nd, Rodgers in the bottom third of the first - this isn’t an exact science.

I agree. A guy that big that does that has clearly not trained. Add in his historically terrible 40 time and he might not get picked before the 5th round. He sure doesn’t appear to be the kind of player that McDermott is looking for.

Who says he doesn’t read the field well - Mike Mayock thinks he is impressive mentally and is one the best anticipation passers this year.

“Team sources” also said that Cordy Glenn couldn’t play OT. Teams throw out all sorts of misinformation about prospects. To be clear, I am NOT saying that I know any scouts think of him as a 1st or 2nd round pick, but it would not surprise me given his arm, size and experience as a starter. Mike Mayock praises his knowledge of the game. i would not use an anonymous quote posted on Walter Football as evidence of how the NFL views any player.

THAT was INCREDIBLE! Yes and that was about how he played for the Bills.