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Essentially that’s the expectation when going to the ground. Until you hear a whistle while you have the ball in your hands and still— hold on. Players have lost points by neglecting that and doing things like using the ball to get up or tossing it aside too quickly

I think the controversy on the scoring plays is normally that fans fall on the rule that the play ends immediately on breaking the goal line and neglect what it takes to actually establish possession

Is he going to the ground in that process? You know I respect your opinion on football matters but this one seems obvious so I’m going to be blunt: at what point does he possesses the ball and make a football move before he starts his fall? If you can’t outline that, he has to maintain control all the way through the fall, and his landing.

You have to complete the entire fall there. In a spatial and scientific sense he controlled the motion of the ball but he has to maintain that through the entirety of the fall (not the knee touch or breaking the goal line) to establish possession

Weve seen teams lose points and games on this plenty of times. Typically in the endzone already but it’s the same issue falling into the end zone. It’s always the same back and forth that possession in the endzone is an immediate TD and the refs are terrible vs possession not actually occurring until the fall is fully completed (the rule)

When going to the ground the catch isnt conpleted until you land. If the catch isn’t completed, you aren’t crossing the goal line with possession there. The football move was landing, not reaching while going down.

I just like to check for sure when people throw out those comments.

Promise?

Crossman has consistently been bad, but somehow employed long term in a few cities. He’s not good

This thread will will be an exercise in “love them when they’re ours, hate them on a rival”

Dont the bengals only employ like 3 scouts and half are ownership family members (slightly exaggerated but only slightly from when he started- I think a real staff now)

All nice but without knowing their playbooks we are really just guessing on guys like this - it’s not just play calling but play design and then scheme building

One of the streaming services signed at a large increase this week. We will see on the tv front.

Agreed. Its one of those stats that makes such a difference too. I think I heard the announcer say the eagles were 12-12 in 3rd or 4th and 1 situations this year? The pats are likewise consistently above average. Converting 4 and 1 is essentially manufacturing a turnover and I think we can all agree on how important the turnover battle is.

Oh jeeze— I appreciate you actually adding the context to your stance here. I think we are so far off on philosophy that it’s probably just agree to disagree here. The benefit of a punt from the 27 is just so non-existent in my philosophy...

Let’s hope that’s not true. Rarely does a guy say “got that one wrong!” but sometimes you see a guy change his call in the future

Come on happy- give me this one... where do you pull the trigger and go for it? Or do you punt until a field goal, and at what yard line do you make that call?

I agree that that it doesn’t define his career. and he got away with it. but I hope that’s considered a mistake and not a philosophy that defines his approach

I’m still curious at what yard line you would go for it, happy or Shaw? 35? 30? Not until you are confident you make the fg (and where is that?) also, if you miss at the 40, what do you think the odds of the colts scoring are?

Thats why I want the coach trying to end yesterday with an 11% chance, and not content with 3% cause at least we didn’t get knocked out (or whatever those numbers were) And ill keep echoing that missing doesn’t mean you lose. If you are betting on the defense to force a 3 and out you sure as hell should be betting they won’t give up 40 yards for a shot at a risky kick

I’m not assuming a loss to New England but I’m also not assuming we win 3 in a row for the first time all year AND get all the help we need. And again, this is relatively low risk (even if you miss the cost is low), high reward (huge swing in odds of scoring if you make it).

Walking in yesterday, he should’ve had it a must win game and it should’ve factored into every decision accordingly. You can’t coach that game not to lose.

If he was content playing for a tie yesterday because he believes we will win out... well, count me out. more than likely he’s just a product of decades of poor decision making across the nfl in that very scenario. Coaches are so programmed not to lose that they often forget to go win the game. Nor do you bet that you are more likely to win out than convert a 4 and 1.... and might I throw in that missing it doesn’t mean you lose this one either. also punting comes with risk of bad snap, missed handle, shanking, or putting in the endzone and suddenly you’ve pushed them back 20 yards instead of taking a shot at keeping the ball (an AWFUL trade)

The only metric that mattered was our odds of scoring. A tie is as good as a loss. That’s exactly the issue here- you have to play yesterday to win. Not losing isn’t good enough. If you think it was the right call to punt you are arguing, essentially, that punting made us more likely to score. If true I’m curious how far we have to get for that to tip. We weren’t kicking a fg at the 35, so do you still punt there, for instance? Anything across the 50 seems a no brainer to go for it to me.

So, for those that think the odds of being the next to score went up when we punted... where is the tipping point for you? The 35? Do you punt from closer than that?