NoSaint

Hes yet yet another example of a guy that fans call a bum for not succeeding while the organization set him up to fail. We have a ton of those in the last decade. Odds are some were bums, but odds likewise are that some would have been very good if dropped elsewhere And it’s fair to say a failure to get what you need is a failure in the role - I won’t dispute that part. But if in a functional environment he likely would need a bit less of the “managing the owners” skill set and maybe we’d see more out of his “managing a football organization” skill set

Hes not a great passer passer but he’s not a mess. Invest in outside receivers and downfield threats instead of possession receivers and tight ends. A solid running game. Picture Pittsburgh maybe. The biggest catch 22 is you need him on a cheap contract to be successful and as soon as he’s successful you lose the cheap contract.

He needs an OC that won’t make him have to be a traditional qb. In the right scheme I’d count him as serviceable

We’ve had a lot of posters that think the only mistakes are the bad throws you make— but a good opportunity missed is also huge. It just goes by quietly unnoticed while the interception makes the highlight reels.

I’ll stick with the fact much like fitz he’s a low tier vet starter. You have to look for an upgrade with him but likewise it’s hard to solidly upgrade the position from him.

Its pretty much the worst thing possible. Like the type I hadn’t even considered. So I now expect it.

Yup- and most are not hugely rich. League minimum for 2-3 years is great pay but it’s nice nest egg pay, not set for life pay.

Imagine how bad they would’ve quit if we kept sammy, or dareus! Lucky we have lesser but fully bought in talents.

It’s tangible evidence they are on the field more than the offense. They could be struggling for any number of reasons. That’s likely part of the reason but doubtfully most of it

I don’t think that describes as many as you think it does on the financial side. Even if just a job, most very much stress over keeping that job.

I don’t do a board, but roughly speaking I recall being pretty close to this, for better and worse.

Down so much so fast, I’d venture run blocking only hurt so bad today

It’ll sound snarky but a genuine point here— there are very few fans on this board that have closely watched a successful team week in and week out, year in and year out, in the salary cap era. Most are so used to hearing they can’t afford talented players, when the truth is that this is a league where you need a few explosive stars to even start to compete consistently.

There’s absolutely no reason this needed to be a multi year rebuild. Fans went hook line and sinker on a narrative about how bad the cap was.... we now also believe that every young talent was a cancer... it’s ridiculous.

we’ve invested quite a bit

Who is in love with tyrods garbage time stats?

Hes following the philosophy if he can audible. The problem is our head coach and OC are ok with this philosophy

Maybe he just dislikes you and uses mocking you as a way to vent his frustration with the losses. Wouldn’t mean he wants them to lose.

It’s more than one game. This is twice he’s led the offense to 3 points this year. And not all those other games were good either. hes not the worst starting qb but if he’s better than average it’s merely because of the volume of injuries. It’s hard to win in the nfl without better than average qb play.

I like how yolo is asking us... clever plot to throw us off of his identity

Fans definitely should’ve shanked him. Where’s mrags or Cletus when you need them?

And I’d argue that his lack of passing created many of the issues on the OL. if you don’t have to defend more than 10 yards of dirt, you can really beat up the line.

Also, at some point you have to just decide you are going to play the game and throw the ball. If you aren’t when down several scores in the second half, I don’t know what to say

When he took the sack on 3rd and 15 down 30 points instead of heaving it down field for whatever may happen— that was his Kyle Orton slide short of the sticks, his Edwards run out of bounds on 4th moment... he showed no fire or or situational awareness.

That the game got out of hand only makes his stat line all the more baffling. Qbs rack up trash yards in a route. I would’ve rather seen 250 yards and 3 ints trying to get in the game again than whatever we just watched. Down 30 playing ball control keep it close and try not to make a mistake football is a joke