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But Ryan Day's face..........he looks like he took a DeLorean back to 1955 to get facial reconstruction. Most disturbing face in football.

I actually agree..........but I think we'd have all been more comfortable if you didn't weigh in hot so soon after you created a LAMP thread to predict that the Bills would win out right before the Indy game.

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Nonsense? 26 years ago All Pro CB Rod Woodson tore his ACL on Sept 3.......had reconstructive surgery.......returned to the field in the Super Bowl in January 4 1/2 months later. https://apnews.com/article/cf494a6412f6c22debe85406884cb40e More than a generation of advancement later and you are absolutely certain that Tre White can't return to the field in twice that amount of time? GTFOH sandbagger

I highly doubt Tre White will take 8 games off just so that he can get 12 months post surgery instead of 10.

Yeah it's important to not forget that priority #1 of any NFL team should be to make the QB look good. If the Bills want to preserve Josh Allen...........and in doing so keep themselves relevant in the NFL........then they need to remember that on draft day because the Cam Newton impersonation he's doing this season isn't likely to be sustainable. Yeah I am very interested in Penning for the Bills. The re-emergence of New England in particular could lead to the Bills going back to a more physical approach on offense and Penning makes sense. They are in a good position contract-wise in the coming seasons with Dawkins as well........he'd be a bargain even as a guard(where I think he'd be excellent). I could see them addressing both OT and TE in the first 3 rounds. And WR is a big need, IMO as well. I value CB play........CB1 is an elite money position.........but I think what this defense will still need most is a finishing pass rusher. Things are lining up for a potentially reasonable Khalil Mack trade this offseason but it's likely to require one of those first 3 picks at least. Whereas they might be able to get a physical upgrade over Levi and Dane at a bargain rate in UFA.

I fully expect he will be back by opening day. He's driven.

Agreed.........but the talk about needing to draft a CB early here will dissipate quickly if damage in the passing game is limited over the next 2 weeks. I'm still not convinced they will lose Levi Wallace in free agency either. Despite earning positive reviews for his play. Any detail conscious organization will be able to see that free agent CB's from McDermott's system haven't translated well elsewhere. That's why the Bills were surprisingly able to non-tender him and make him a UFA last year and still re-sign him for cheap. There is a lot of help built into the system. So they might even have Tre, Wallace and Johnson all back together next season with Jackson, Lewis and McCloud in reserve. If they picked a CB early he could end up in a Boogie Basham situation where a top pick ends up inactive every week. A lot to play out there yet. It's not like the OL where things are bad and it's pretty clear they are only going to get worse on the interior if they don't address it this offseason. Or at WR where they are aging out at a couple positions with Beasley and Sanders. Or TE where they only have Knox and then nothing at all.

Fans are pretty spoiled by that. I'll throw in the towel when Allen goes out for the year. Tre White's loss is surmountable if the rest of the team were to actually start playing to expectations............whether fans want to see it that way right now or not.

I don't think CB has moved to the top of their "needs" list but if the right player is there they will take him. They would probably have done so this past draft as well if the right player was there. Tre White will be back and be fine. He's a great athlete and a dedicated pro. Rod Woodson tore his ACL in summer and came back in January to play in the Super Bowl. I fully expect him to be fine next season.

He's finding out what happened to Cam Newton. When you act like a football player.......you don't get those calls. It's not right but it's how the game is called. You gotta' act like you don't belong on the field with those defensive players to consistently get those calls. Hell.......that little post-play whisper in Josh's ear in the first half would have been a 15 yarder if Ed Oliver did it to Trevor.

This stat makes it sound like he's been stellar............but the kind of pressure the Bills OL is allowing is IMMEDIATE. In reality all this stat tells you is that he's not been the guy letting players into the pocket untouched (except of course on a play like the holding penalty against Granderson last night........which technically I don't believe counts as a pressure either). Somewhat deceiving stat, IMO. Also........didn't they put Spencer Brown at LT for a play versus the Jets and put Dion Dawkins at LG? Dawkins immediately committed a penalty as I recall. Moving Brown to LT was floated as a rumor in the week leading up to the Jets game.

Not having White doesn't change the basic objective of the defense, which is to encourage the offense to take small gains and hope they can't execute. And they can still run man........Jackson can cover.........but from what we've seen there will be chances for teams to create some bigger plays in the pass game. They most likely won't be as efficient with regard to not giving up chunk plays in the pass game but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be scorched now. And perhaps not having White back there lights a fire under this pass rush. Sometimes losing a star player can help a unit find another level of effort and focus. That really has been the biggest issue with the team this year........being focused on the task at hand. And also..........the real weakness of the defense has been their want-to and technique in run defense. With White out.........maybe teams will be more inclined to try to throw the ball a bit more. I still prefer the Bills chances defending the pass.......so more throws is better, IMO. But ultimately it's on the offense to stop being so erratic. Allen is a huge game-changing weapon who can keep 2-3 otherwise stalled drives alive with his athleticism every game..........so if they are executing they should be nearly unstoppable. That's clearly been the most discouraging part of the season to this point.......they get stopped by their own often-inexplicable mistakes far more than they get well-defensed. They need to be focused and start being better than the sum of their parts. That's what championship teams do down the stretch.

Hate losing White but the greatest advantage of being a zone coverage defense is that you can get by with less natural ability at the corner positions. They could still win a SB with this secondary. Worse have done so. But they need the DL to improve........better pass rush and more consistent run D. And more importantly they need the offense to start executing with precision. That first half was again very sloppy. And the OL is still letting a free rusher come thru far too often.

Never heard of susceptibility to chilblains being a temporary condition.......so maybe having to avoid getting his feet cold will be a permanent part of Aaron Rodgers existence now.

Yeah they need to proceed in the offseason like Davis is just a guy fighting for a roster spot. If he figures it out......great.......but he's not risen to the occasion this year. Finding a better successor to the John Brown/Sanders position.......a true 1B option to Diggs.........might end up being their 1st round pick.

Hopefully Star and Brown avoid this cuz at their positions and size they can't tip-toe around like Rodgers.

Well to actually be fair.........I didn't say it was exactly like the Packers approach I said that it looked "too much" like it. Important distinction. And keep in mind.......Allen wasn't a star QB until last season. The Packers have always had top QB play in the 17 years that Rodgers has been in the league. The Bills felt they had to prop Allen up with the Diggs trade because they hadn't been able to draft a WR1 of their own. The Pack got Davante Adams with about the same value of selection in 2014 that the Bills used on bust Zay Jones in 2017........passing Cooper Kupp among others. And Beane himself passed on Metcalf and AJ Brown in favor of Cody Ford. They were playing organizational catch-up trading for Diggs.

I think what has been concerning is that you want a HC who specializes in one side of the ball to be able to invest a little less on that side and get results. Instead.........4 of 6 first rounders expended on defense and a very expensive DL and a back 7 with 5 guys under relatively big dollar contracts and 1 of the two who is not is Edmunds who has a massive 5th year cap it coming. That investment seems reasonable when the defense is forcing 3 and outs and getting turnovers...........but recent history has proven that it's very difficult to maintain a top defense from year to year. It's something of a black hole investment-wise. We saw that last year when the defense was middling at best after a strong finish the season prior. To me.........the Bills plan has looked a little too much like the Green Bay Packers blueprint.........stock the defense with 1st rounders and let the all-world QB figure the rest out. But the problem is that the Packers don't have a team like New England in their division. In a season where Rodgers doesn't get hurt and miss time they usually take that division by default.

I think they've lost juice at 4 of the 5 OL positions and Beasley in the slot. That's regression from nearly half of the personnel on offense. Sanders has had a good year but I think they are a little less explosive there as well so the y and z haven't been drawing enough attention for the x (Diggs). To me........this year was a prime window for the heavily invested defense. For the most part they've held up and been the more effective unit.......but when needed to step up against TN and Indy they played their worst. And I hate the spread. There are still plenty of opportunities to dink and dunk from under center and using play action.

Rule of thumb with Star........expect the worst. If he comes back at ANY POINT this season and returns to his very brief peak form.......after getting covid without being vaxed........then I will be pleasantly suprised. I've heard of people coming out of a bad flu and feeling better than ever in a few weeks...........but all the people I know who got unvaxed covid with symptoms have reported feeling off even months later.

I agree that is probably how McDermott sees it. But the reality is that more draft capital and $ has been invested into the defense under McBeane. A lot of people think this is some outrageously talented offense........it is not. Josh Allen and Stef Diggs are pro bowl players. Beasley and Sanders are vets who are well on the backside of their careers athletically. Davis is a player with decent potential but a lot of teams have that guy who may never really pan out due to injuries(bad ankles have hindered him both years) or inconsistency(has stretches of inexplicable drops). Knox is the best we've had in a while but he's not an elite TE and it remains to be seen if he ever will.........TE's like him come and go with other teams........we just aren't used to having one with talent.......and their depth at TE is maybe the worst in the NFL. Obviously, the OL has been hindered by the dropoffs from Dawkins and Williams and we knew coming in that the interior OL was going to be mediocre. Running backs are plenty good........it's not an important position to have great talent at........but they are ordinary. They aren't a naturally explosive offense.........they are an ordinary unit with a dynamic QB. What has happened is that it's turned into the Josh Allen show this season.........he's trying to carry the team to the heights they were at last season but a lot of players have regressed and he didn't have a roster full of #1 picks at his disposal on offense to begin with. He's the only one on the entire offense who was a first round draft pick. On defense.......a lot more athletic pedigree.......6 first round draft picks. The defense is basically designed to protect leads now but the offensive talent is overrated.

I've said this many times before but Daboll's OC work reminds me of Sam Wyche and Mike Mularkey. Wyche famously ran a no-huddle to a near SB win in SB XXIII. Mularkey had some very highly rated offenses in Pittsburgh. So they could have really good seasons......but both also had entire seasons where they just couldn't get out of their own way with bad game plans and play calling. NFL people would call Wyche's play calling "wicky wacky".........at times it seemed like nonsense to all but him and he wouldn't change things that weren't working. Mularkey got that rep in his last season in Buffalo as well.........that 2005 seasons was one of the more frustrating seasons of play calling in Bills memory. Cowher and the Steelers were really in a similar rock and hard place position with Mularkey when Donahoe came in and swept Mike Meathead off his feet that the Bills may be in with Daboll at the end of the season.

The standing in the lower bowl is pretty stupid.........but I knew about it before I moved down there so it is what it is. I could understand the rationale for it more though if the people standing were rabid fans cheering hard to create noise to distract the opposing offense............but yesterday from early in the game fans were just standing and not making any noise. There was a palpable "this season was supposed to be a pleasure cruise to the Super Bowl......wtf is this bullshi*t" vibe from the crowd yesterday. I think it's a product of years of losing and watching the Patriots just win every year. Fans have ignorantly assumed this was going to be easy. We don't have the best and cheating-est coached organization in the sport.........fan support in the form of noise matters for this organization.

The reason McD mentioned the Addison call was because that's a no-brain-stupid gotdamn play. PI is often a random call. But yeah.........this team is not playing "process" football..........and there has been a lot of chaos caused by decisions not to be vaxxed.