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As it’s already been said, depends how the board falls. We need to really find a difference maker, so if the right one is there then make the move. I am personally hoping we make some move where we do get back in the 3rd…specifically because I think that is where we could get WR Donte Thornton. I dont think he lasts to 109 and I think the 2nd is too early.

Hard pass. NFL doesn’t need it, and you can’t just keep adding more games, injury risk and physical toll on the players is way too high.

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That is a fair point...respect

Isn't this premature? Lol...saying goodbye now feels like saying your goodbyes now to someone who just got a terminal cancer diagnosis but still had a year and a half to live lol. That being said...I have only been to Buffalo once and got to go to home opener we lost to the Steelers a few years ago. One of the best trips and experiences of my life, my wife (then GF) bought me the tickets for my Bday in July and by the time we got there she was my Fiance. Best gift I ever got until my kids were born, and she is responsible for all of it...which is why I put a ring on it ha

It's pretty clear that if we stay put at 30, there is a near certainty that we will come away with the first 2 rounds with both a DT and CB, in no particular order. Personally, I think the drop off at CB from 30 to 56 is greater than the drop off of expected DT's at 30 and 56. WR is clearly a need and priority based on their visits, but I don't love the value at 56, I think the value will be higher at both DT and CB at 56 than WR and not sure WR is BPA at our next pick either. So if I was to put a wager on the draft, it would be CB - DT order with out first 2 picks. While WR is clearly on deck, I am not expecting one in the 2nd round as I am not convinced that at either of our picks WR will be the best value. I can see one at 30 or a move up from 30 if the right guy was there, but I think its a much lower possibility than DB/DL. I think we are going to end up with a pick in the 3rd round...either regaining it through a trade back somewhere or using our large pool of day 3 picks to move up from 109. And I can see WR there and it wouldn't surprise me if it was WR Donte Thornton, he makes too much sense for us, they have had him in for private workouts and we seem to be showing a lot of interest. At 6'5" with 4.3 speed and good hands, he isn't likely reaching us at 109.

Is it possible in a "trade back"...Sure, but not very. Reason is Grant will not remain on the board much longer if we pass on him at 30, to ensure we get him means it has to be a small trade back. And in any small trade back we are only looking at adding a day 3 pick to do so. Moving back say 3 spots is the equivalent of a late 4th essentially. And given we already have 5 picks in rounds 4 and 5, not to mention 3 more in the 6th, I don't see the incentive for Beane to risk losing their guy. For Beane to move back, I would think it would be in an effort to get a 3rd back since we do not have one, or its probably not worth doing unless there just isn't someone at 30 they feel compelled to take there. So looking at the draft order...the teams at the top of the draft in the 2nd also have top of 3rd picks, so the move back to their spots doesn't warrant that, so we would have to include another pick to make it happen most likely. Someone like Tenn doesn't even have a 3rd this year. A team like Jax could, especially having 2 3rds, but honestly, Grant is someone they could move up for themselves. While anything is possible...I really don't see a scenario where we move back and still land both Grant and Amos. Doesn't mean we cant move back and say land any DT and Amos for example, just your question was about these 2 specifically, assuming both are even still on the board when we pick of course. To land both, I think you would have to take Grant at 30 (as I think he would come off the board faster than Amos), then look to move up from 56 to somewhere inside the top 40 (lets just use Jax at 36 as a mid point) to get Amos, you are needing to make a 200 point move. Without having a 3rd, their really isnt any way to do that unless we use both our 2nds, so that gets a little dicier and our window is narrow on which teams have the spot and draft assets to make a deal work with us. Jax happens to be one of those teams, so for discussion sake, a move to get back up to 36 could look something like this: Bills send 56, 62, 109 (700 points) Jax sends 36 and 88 (690) Bills select Amos at 36 and then have a 3rd rounder still at 88 in lieu of an additional 2nd with a net loss of our first pick in the 4th. This is a palatable trade, and one I think Beane would consider. The issue is, there are just not a lot of these little perfect scenarios in the range where we could facilitate this for these 2 specific players. And of course, Beane has to cover both these guys and the corresponding team has to want to make the trade as well. What I think is more probable is we take Amos at 30 (or make a small trade back and still take Amos) and then they either let the board come to them at 56 for a DT or make a smaller move up to get the DT they covet most still on the board in a range where a 4th or even multiple day 3 picks gets us there without giving up our pick at 62. Not sure how you are applying those picks in terms of the trades, but the scenario I just laid out with Jax is similar except we wouldn't be trading our first, we would need to stay put and take Grant (as Grant IMHO likely comes off the board quicker than Amos after pick 30 if both are still there). But we would net both, and still have a pick in the 3rd for essentially the cost of a 4th.

I mistakenly thought they had Grant in for a visit the way he is projected so frequently to us and talked about around here. But I just looked it up and it seems it was only the combine visit. So yeah, given that, I agree Beanes history shows it’s more probable going to be someone they had in for an official visit. And based on who that is, it certainly suggests corner is the more probable pick at 30. Plus obviously corner is easily our biggest hole, and the drop off at corner after 30 is steeper than DT where there will be good value at DT likely at our next pick still.

Yeah, I think had Amos been available for the vote it would have been a close vote between him and Grant with how this board fell. And I think if the board fell this way in the real draft, one of those 2 would probably be the pick. While we have had success finding corners in the past on day 3, this team is too close and a serious SB contender right now for them to not prioritize the biggest hole on the team. So I think the odds of us not taking a corner in the 1st or 2nd this year are probably pretty low. As with any draft, how the board falls will dictate a lot of what happens at our picks, so nothing is certain, but I think its a pretty safe bet that we land a corner with one of those first 3 picks...not to mention using some of our extra day 3 capital potentially to move around to get one as well.

Thanks for running these! Another great job! For the next trade up vote: Can you at least include some more realistic trade up options in the vote where we are using a 4th to make a smaller move up? We have a lot of day 3 ammo, I think using a 4th, or a 4th and change is more realistic than just the few costly options you had last time.

What is the trade back by the way? How far back are we trading back and what are we getting back?

I kept saying all offseason last year that Miami wasn't going to make the playoffs and I didn't think him or the GM would survive the season. But he got a lucky break getting that extension just before the season started which I then said would maybe be the one thing that saves him this offseason after they miss the playoffs, but he won't survive missing them again next year. And I stand by that still...I again don't think Miami makes the playoffs this year, and I think this regime, top to bottom, will be cleared out.

We do if we trade Cook, and we would get back a draft asset making that possible without impacting our other draft plans. If we don’t trade Cook, then no, you don’t draft a RB this year

I agree...although that being said, we could use 3 DL...but can't see how we use our first 3 picks on DL. Personally I think there is very little chance that one of our first 2 picks wont be a corner and can't really see a scenario where we don't take one within those first 3 picks.

Honestly...when you are at the back end of the 2nd and don't have a 3rd, not sure "too early" is as applicable as it is earlier in the draft. We don't pick again for over a round and a half, if there is any player slated as a possible pick in that window who you really want, I don't know you can say its "too early", especially given that we are in a range of the draft where grades get a LOT more subjective, especially factoring in scheme and team fits. And with lacking a 3rd creating a large gap of when we pick next (barring trade ups), things like positional depth and fall off from this point on play a significant role in draft selection here. Now...before someone counters back about "reaching", I get reaching is never good and I am not suggesting to reach by any means. I just think "too early" term gets used a little too heavily in these situations.

I get he is a good prospect, and said as much, not refuting that. Its not that his going in this range of the draft isn't warranted, its more that he doesn't fit what the Bills lack. Just like I wouldn't expect them to draft a slot WR here, I wouldn't expect them to draft a WR that isn't bringing a real vertical and explosive downfield threat to the WR room. Especially after drafting Coleman last year and signing Palmer this offseason. Like I said, its not that I don't like Harris...its more I don't see the fit for the Bills to where he feels like a realistic option for the Bills.

I like him more than you do and have him more as a 3rd rounder, but given we don't have a 3rd and its nearly the 3rd now, this doesn't feel like much of a reach for me based on my opinion of him. I can see why you would see it as a reach if you like him less, just saying my personal opinion on him has him a bit higher than you. We also don't pick again until the 4th, so I think how Beane has the remaining corners graded and the expected positional drop off from this point on to then is going to be part of consideration on what he would do now. And this is also where a trade back could come into play as well if he felt we could get value moving back and still landing one he is targeting on the trade back.

Riley would be a good pick here, don’t understand how he isn’t getting more traction with the glaring hole we have at corner.

Why do we keep voting so much for Tre Harris? He doesn’t even seem like a legit option for us let alone who we would select. He ran the same 40 time as Coleman did at his pro day and one of his knocks in his lack of explosion off the line. The team needs a vertical threat, a take the top off the D player. Not saying he isn’t a good prospect for someone, but he doesn’t fit what we expect the Bills to be after at WR for our team needs.

This thread gets started like every 6 months. That being said Moulds is the answer. Evan’s would be my 2nd choice who would just go off with Allen.

Wait, are you saying he HAS been in for a private workout??? That would be great if so, last I checked I couldn't find any record of us meeting with him at all, so I was hoping something would come out confirming a visit, workout, or at least a zoom or something. Im not sure he gets to us in the 4th despite his projections, so I wouldn't hate moving up from our first pick in the 4th to go get him in the 3rd even. Or, if a trade down happened from 30 like what was proposed in the TSW Mock Draft Poll (it came in 2nd to taking Grant in that mock) and netted us a 3rd in that move, I would be fine using that 3rd on him.

Yeah if it was a WR here, I agree Royals is more interesting than Harris. I can't see it being Harris, his 40 was the same as the one Coleman ran at his pro day. We need a vertical speed threat, that isn't Harris whose knocks also include a lack of explosion off the line. Not saying Harris doesn't have NFL potential, he just isn't the type of WR we need or should be looking for. I voted Burch too, although Collins would be good too. I would rather go after someone like Donte Thompson later at WR (6'5" with 4.3 speed)

“Another” move in 48 hours? What was the first move lol?

I personally think the board in the 2nd is going to look a little better on draft day than the way it fell here. But that being said, we don’t necessarily need to trade down from 30 to be able to be in position to move up from either spot on the 2nd, we have quite a bit of day 3 ammo to do it and still have all our picks next year too. I’m not against a trade back from 30, just depends on how the board falls. If certain guys aren’t there then I think we should trade back. But there also needs to be someone on the board someone wants to come up and get too that picks in a range Beane is comfortable sliding back to. I think if Jaxson Dart reached us (he won’t IMHO) like he did in this mock, it could make things interesting at our pick for a trade down.

I voted Burch for similar reasons