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How nice of Josh to provide a free test to see if you are fun at parties or not. If you got "triggered" by Josh - well we know the answer Karen.

Yeah he has a lot to prove still for sure, and they definitely need to get better on 3rd down

Fair concerns - and honestly health is going to be a key issue and something that has been a real significant issue in all 3 of our last losses to KC. Not having Tre in the 13 second game was massive. 2 years ago stuck with the Ghost of Von Miller coming back from an ACL tear and having no LB's and starting guys recently off their couch was a major issue that game as KC just attacked the LB spot all game long with ease. Last year, Elam having to come into the game was immediately exploited and played a major role in our loss. I don't know if they have the ability to be a top defense, but the question is more will this unit improve. And I think guys like TJ and Walker likely get better as the season progresses just getting more experience, and Walker is already showing the ability to make some impact plays. But even just based on getting back Oliver, Milano, Hairston and our 2 guys on suspension (especially Hoecht) we should see this unit improve. Keeping them healthy and on the field though is going to be key come the post season. There is one thing that I am concerned about though, is we may not really know what this defense can or can't be (even if healthy) until that pivotal game in the postseason. There are not a lot of "big" tests on our regular season schedule. KC and TB are the ones that stand out, and KC isn't the same offensive team in the regular season and probably taking a step back this year, and TB while very good isn't as dangerous or explosive as the Ravens offense we faced. We do play the Eagles late, but we might legit have the 1 seed already locked up by then. So we run the risk of getting a bit of fools gold syndrome through a somewhat cushy schedule and not truly see this defense really tested until that game we need them to handle their business.

I don't disagree, there was more interest with Micah than Poyer for sure, I know I was more excited about Micah and didn't think much about the Poyer signing. But I also think for a lot of people that was more a function of what we paid Micah than it was that people knew a lot about him to actually be excited. On the opposite side, there were people less enthused given he was making a position switch (NCB to FS), and in his last year in GB he only started 11 of the 16 games he played in despite entering the season as the starter. Not to mention, GB (despite having a need for him) not only let him leave, they didn't even offer him a contract to try and keep him. And that created a lot of questions around here that if he was so good why didn't GB even attempt to keep him.

I don't personally think he does, just based on what we know about him, but it also wouldn't surprise me either if he did, nor would I care either way. But I used to own a dispensary in Hollywood (shut it down in 2016 when the laws changed), and I can say first hand a lot of NFL players use it in the offseason. I had a lot of guys from teams all over the country who lived in CA during the offseason, or were retired and living in CA, who used to come in - including some of the highest paid in the game who played in and won Super Bowls. I will say many of the active players did not smoke it though, they didn't want to smoke anything as highly tuned athletes and preferred tinctures, edibles, etc. Retired players were more willing to smoke it even though I had some that still preferred not to.

No chance that had anything to do with Diggs IMHO. I mean its not remotely the kind of person Josh is, especially in the media. It was more a reference to how this team is, how Josh carries himself to the other members of this team, etc off the field. He was sharing his personally philosophy, and something this whole team, including the new members, all essentially echo and buy into as well. Listen to Bosa's recent interviews, he talks a lot about that, the closeness this team has, how its never anything he ever experienced before, how everyone interacts legitimately with each other, and guys from all positions talk to each other, etc. I don't think Allen thinks about Diggs even 1 second of his life anymore. He is the reigning MVP and just married the love of his life while Diggs twists in purgatory in NE with more baby mama drama. Josh doesn't need to take shots, karma already took care of the rest lol

Yup, Hoecth is better than a lot of people realize. Its like when signed Micah Hyde and so many here didn't think much of it. I kept saying Hyde was a lot better than people think and GB fans were upset they lost him. I feel similar with Hoecht, and they are going to love and use his versatility a lot here. He may not put up gaudy stats given he will be part of a rotation, but I suspect people are not going to be starting threads like "Is Hoecth even playing" because they haven't seen or felt his impact. I think what a lot of people are overlooking with the defensive concerns (not that the concerns aren't valid, because they have had some issues) - is that we have been without our #1 draft pick and critical speed in our secondary so far, Oliver and Milano have missed games, and we have been without our 2 FA's on suspension, both of which will be critical rotational guys and good players for this team. Now add in rookies have had to drink from the fire hose a bit to start the season due to suspensions and injuries upfront, and its not hard to see where potential improvement can come from as the season goes on. The D is giving up 15 ppg since getting dog walked 3 1/2 quarters against Balt. And they had some 3rd down issues against a desperate Miami team. But, still its 15 PPG against 2 divisional opponents, one of which (Jets) put up a ton of points the week before the played us, and the other is what is supposed to be powerhouse offense loaded with speed. I don't personally think much of the Jets, but I mean GB just lost to the Browns this week, KC struggled to do much against the Giants until the Giants let Russel Wilson just lose the game for them, etc. Bills are handling their business and without FIVE key defensive players, 2 of which are amongst their best players, 2 of which were key FA signigns, and the other our top overall draft pick. Dont get me wrong, I am in a need to see it to believe mode with the D come playoff time. But I am only pointing out reasons for optimism this year. Now add in that guys like Bosa and Walker are looking like guys capable of making that extra 1 or 2 stops a game that have been our kryptonite for not having in most of our playoff exits, especially the last 3 KC losses which were all games we lost by 1 score.

Yup - And not only fitting with the new stadium - but Josh is the reigning MVP, Josh is a newlywed, Marv just turned 100, etc. Would literally be a storybook ending in a number of ways. And quite honestly, this is probably the best roster top to bottom (especially considering depth) we have had in the Allen era. Its not perfect, but I can't think of another season where the overall Bills roster would be classified as better since Allen came into the NFL. There has been a lot of concern about the D, but its giving up 15 ppg since the week 1 dog walking they took through 3 1/2 quarters, and that has been without its #1 draft pick, Ed Oliver, Milano and our 2 suspended players who are better than I think some people think. Of course, it has just been the Jets and Miami, and they have still had their moments of crapping the bed (like on 3rd down too many times against Miami), but thats again been without several key starters and players. And the Bills schedule should give this unit plenty of opportunities to gel, gain confidence, and grow as a unit without too many concerning games. Bosa is playing like the guy we have been missing in the postseason that just needs to help facilitate one more stop in that final game to get over the hump. And quite frankly, so has rookie DT Walker. If our front 7 can get stronger as we get healthy and get guys back from suspension, its going to make life easier on our weakest group, the safeties. And while its just been Jets and Miami, Cole has at least shown some signs of hope. Still a long ways to go, but maybe as the unit gets stronger and gels more his development will keep increasing.

And while Ravens are still our biggest competitor come playoff time IMHO, we basically have a 2 game lead on them assuming win tonight being up one and having the tie breaker. And if they lose it’s going to be a 3 game lead essentially. To be 3 games in and already have at least 2 game lead against what was widely expected to be our strongest competitors for the 1 seed (Baltimore and KC) with such an easy remaining schedule is pretty great. I honestly think we could have the 1 seed locked up by end of week 15 and the road to the SB is going to have to go through Buffalo.

An all time classic episode

I think there are a lot of people who dont listen to Allen, Brady, McD, and Beane speak enough and therefore dont truly understand our offense, what is going on during games, and the overall philosophy. I see a lot of people saying we call a lot of deep shots but no ones open...well first of all, thats not accurate. There have been guys open plenty of times, but what people don't understand about our offense is many of our routes being run on a given play are being done so to specifically get another guy open. Just because Josh doesn't throw a deep shot doesn't by default mean "nobody is ever open", yet that is all that is echoed here. People on here and media keep saying things that Josh is checking down or taking whats there and not even realizing the pass he threw, the routes run, etc were intentional and by design. Allen, Brady, McD, Beane, all talk about this all the time and its the true meaning of "everybody eats" and everyone buying in because they are running routes hard and selling them knowing full well before the snap they aren't getting the ball even if open because the play is designed to go elsewhere. So what a lot of people are blaming on players is really by design within the offense. And the Bills are doing this because it allows them to control the game, TOP, protect the ball and still put points up. And when they get behind, they know they can open up the offense more (see Balt) and get a lot more aggressive. But when they are leading or in a close game, they play this game because its been highly effective for them. Now one doesn't have to like or agree with how they are doing it, but that is what is really going on, its not this "because no one is open we can only do this" as much as people want to always harp on. And the result is - in the last 12 games, including the playoffs, Josh Allen has over 3000 yards and 30 TDs to 1 turnover - an insane run that is almost hard to believe. The Bills now have an NFL record of 25 straight games of not losing the turnover battle. There is a lot I think they are taking from what KC and NE did during their dynasties, which is be elite at the short area throws, move the chains, and keep putting the pressure on the other team to not make mistakes and still have to keep pace with the offense. We are watching SB Winning football right now. The play calling hasn't been perfect, in fact there are times especially in the first 2 weeks I hated some of the play calling especially, but they are finding their way and I think the overall philosophy is the kind of football that wins close games and will win the playoffs. I don't think they have quite mastered it just yet, but I think they are going to only get sharper and more consistent with it as they settle in with all the new pieces as we move forward.

He was always RB3 last year and this year. Cook is RB1 and Ty is the 3rd down back, so there is nothing new or shocking about his role, he is a backup to Cook who is a feature back and Ty comes in on passing downs at times.

Last 2 weeks the Bills D is giving up 15.5 ppg (and missing 2 of our best players either one or both the weeks) and the offense is avg 30.5 ppg. Not sure it’s time to panic when we are carrying an average of 15 point differential since our come back win on Balt. And with Oliver and Milano missing time. There are things we certainly need to improve on, and on both sides of the ball. But I wouldn’t be sounding any alarms yet either.

Just my 2 cents - but I dont think Beane felt Coleman was going to take longer to develop, just based on things he said IMHO. I think they felt Coleman could come in and help an undersized WR room early, and he was on a pretty good pace (1000 yard+ season pace) the 5 games prior to getting hurt. And last year was also being looked at a a mini retooling year, so there was the added value of the extra draft capital too, which is why he made the 1 spot down. And I think he did because the worst kept secret in the draft was Carolinas crush on the local Leggett. I think they were pretty certain he would be the pick, which is why they felt comfortable doing it IMHO. Beane said entering that draft they were focused on trading back and try and replace the 3rd they lost on Rasul. And thats exactly what they did, that plan seemingly was laid out before the draft even began. Now context of the draft can change plans, but based on how the board fell, Beane was clearly still interested in moving back and he got back the 3rd he was after.

He will always be officially a 2nd rounder. But it was our first round pick, Carolina slid back 1 spot to make him a 2nd rounder, but Keon was our pick at 31 and we still used that pick to acquire Keon while adding an extra pick. So its still essentially our first round pick we used to get him. Never understood this need to focus on it being our "2nd" rounder to imply we invested "less" into the position so many people like to do (not saying either of you are, just it happens a lot by plenty). We still took our first pick, from the first round and flipped it into a WR 1 slot later.

This isn't how these things are graded though. Every top end WR is going to look cheap on a per catch basis because of the volume difference. And all teams have these exact same mathematical discrepancies in this regard.

This is a giant nothing burger if you ask me. Just my 2 cents

The Browns

I don’t disagree, it’s why I said Ben got too much credit and praise for “Goff” who only regressed in LA because their OL became a casualty of their spending and a trainwreck. Once Detroit built up the line and talent around him, Goff became the more the guy he was when he led LA to their first SB appearance of McVays tenure. I was surprised Ben took the job without Poles being fired whose been an awful GM. Nothing is worse for a HC than being saddled with a terrible FO, let alone a first time HC.

I know I already answered your question, but let me ask you this as a follow up and a way to think about it, at least the way I think about it: What $47M cap expenditure makes the most impact on the win - loss record for the Bills: $47M on Micah and the loss of 2 first round picks. $35M on Justin Jefferson and $12M on Cook and 2 more premium first round prospects (or even trading those first round picks for other impact players). That is 4 players, including an elite player better at his job than Micah is at his, and an excellent RB and 2 more guys who are first round picks. And that is if you spend the $47M on just 2 guys - and really pick any two impact guys on either side of the ball, point remains the same. You could actually spend it on 3, maybe 4 impact players depending on the positions and still have 2 more guys from the 2 first round picks via drafting or trading those picks. That is why for me, Micah just isnt worth that much, he doesn't impact wins and losses to the same degree as a QB (the only other players making that much money) or the combo of great to elite players that can be spread around the team for that same cap space and also with the draft picks.

Come on dude - now you are trying to turn this into a defense discussion? I never responded to or discussed anything related to the defense. I simply corrected the false claims of the offensive average per game he made. This is starting to feel like a Naked Gun sequel. You literally just tried to manufacture a defensive convo I didn't once have or participate in to mask being wrong in your previous post. But now you also come right back in the same reply here and say "topic of this thread is about Brady's offenses" - after you just tried to talk about defense? And I already answered your question - but since its still somehow not landing, here it is again: The poster I responded to brought up the last 5 years and made it about the Allen led offense, not about Brady, and he cited incorrect numbers in his post about it. And I responded about his comments regarding the era he brought up, and corrected the inaccurate numbers he posted. So go ask him, like I already told you, it was his discussion not mine. You are clearly here to just argue at this point, no matter how illogical it gets No - neither Josh Allen or Joe Brady has. You want to talk about OJ next in terms of how the offense looked weeks 1 and 2 this year? Again, one comment you are "This is about Brady" then proceed to try and argue about defense and the Kelly era. Lol

No he did not. You cant seem to follow this convo very well. He said we put up 30+ while our defense gives up 33+ which wasn't even true. I think you need to read the posts better because you keep asking me things about stuff he keeps saying or he keeps incorrectly citing. For example 👇 Why dont you ask him this question - he is the one that keeps talking about non Brady years and including the last 5 years, and now bringing up the Kelly years too lol - I am only responding to his post that are lumping all this in, so you need to ask him these questions.

Huh? You said we average 30+ points per game in our last 5 playoff losses. Bills have not even been to 4 AFC championship games, what are you even talking about. 5 playoff losses: 29+24+10+36+24 = 123 and over 5 games that is 24.6 ppg. We only broke 30 one time in 5 playoff exits.

I didnt leave any games out, I pointed out the more recent performances as you keep wanting to discuss the past 5 years even though that has no relevancy to this topic. And I didn't even point out your numbers were wrong. You said "the offense averages 30+ points per game over the past 5 playoff losses" which is just a made up statement because the real number is 24.6 ppg. When someone just makes up numbers to sell a bias it is hard to even stay on topic at that point. Again, agree to disagree. There is no way an honest and unbiased review of the offense in the first 2 games comes away without things to work on or improve. You want to turn the cheek and think it was perfect, great, whatever suits you. I prefer to stay in the realm of reality where 251 yards came in 1 quarter made possible by 5 miracles and running a 2 min offense the whole quarter different than the offense we ran the other 7 quarters. And my personal opinion, play calling and execution were where we had the most to improve on in those moments. And what is silly about this, this back and forth has made it sound like I am concerned, which I am not and have to keep saying I am not concerned to be clear. But its more about how upset you are that others are being more unbiased when looking at what went well and also what did not go well for the offense these 2 weeks that should have really resulted in a 1-1 record.