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Cook has never been great at pass pro, but he was certainly a lot worse at it early in his career, and I am sure that factored in along with the fact they really liked Devin as well. And we also frustratingly just didn't run the ball enough or as effectively as we do now back then. For the drops, I honestly don't remember if it was a thing or not his rookier year. But I believe it was in year 2 where he dropped at least 4, possibly 5 would be TD's. Funny, he didn't seem to drop a lot of other passes, but it was those routes (like a wheel route) more where he had to catch it further down field tracking the ball looking back for it that he just would muff, the kind of passes Ty makes look routine where ones that were Cooks kryptonite. The team seems to understand that now and Cook doesn't get a lot of those looks anymore and they throw those most often to Ty.

Part of the issue is that there is overlap with Shakir with our guys with the most "juice" in Samuel and Moore. So getting them on the field without taking off the better WR in Shakir is where the challenge is given how they run the offense where the dirty work is also a big factor in their play design and offensive philosophy.

You can't judge a RB who gets a random touch here and there and thats it. RB's need Rhythm, they need to feel the OL, the defense, etc. Then you have the factor that in a lot of Davis carries they are mostly obviously running situations and the defense responds accordingly. Davis is not getting the same type of touches that Cook gets who gets them on downs where we can be passing or running. Davis is getting a random touch here and there on more obviously running downs and with no creativity. And if you actually look at the carries, there are no holes, the play is getting blown up, its not Davis failing to see a hole. This is what happens when people use a stat sheet despite the sample size is so small and the use case context is not considered. You get misleading conclusions. I am not saying Davis is the next Cook, but he has proven he can play, and his lack of production is almost entirely rooted in the fact the plays and blocking themselves failed on the play more than anything Davis did poorly. I am not concerned at this point, not until I see him get some relevant carries that demonstrate he is the reason for the lack of success of better production on those carries. Cook has been playing out of his mind, and they have been riding his hot feet is what the real biggest factor is. Like others, I dont want to see this amount of carries continue for Cook, and I expect they will start to try and get the touches down some as the season goes on. But Cook is also VERY good at avoiding hard contact and big hits. So while there are a lot of carries, hes not taking on the same kind of physicality that comes with it like a Jacobs, Henry, Saquan, etc would be on this many touches where the power run game is a bigger part of their carries.

Oops, yes sorry Singletary ha, went too far back in my mind. But yes, he was frustratingly under used as a rookie when we had Singletary here his rookie year and wasn't even used much in the role we at least thought he was drafted to do which was be a pass catching RB.

I get what you are saying, and as I said in my post, I like Knox and I think if he was starting he would be a top 15 TE elsewhere. When I say "expendable" I am strictly talking about his role on the team - because like it or not, the role has been diminished to a role that can be filled by TE's who are not as good as of an all around player he is because his role is substantially more about blocking than being a weapon. That opens up the door for a lot more players who can fill that role and for a lot cheaper. I don't "want" to move on from Knox, but salary for a TE in his existing type of role is a fraction of what he makes now. Would he be willing to be paid like a TE3 to stay? I mean Hawes is already starting to out snap him because Hawes is an even better blocker than Knox is right now, and honestly might already be one of the best blocking TE's in the game right now, and only going to get better. Ultimately, Knox's future here will be up to him and what he can stomach to get paid on a significantly reduced contract. End of the day though, a formation with Kincaid and Knox isn't much different than a formation with Kincaid and Hawes in it right now. As much as I, and many people, would like to keep Knox - the "need" for him is not what it was prior to drafting Hawes and his future here is going to be a numbers game on what the FO is willing to pay for him to remain in a role that now has further diminished after already getting diminished since drafting Kincaid.

Shakir - despite having lost Crowder and stuck with the useless McKenzie, Shakir barely sniffed the field as a rookie. They even brought back the Ghost of Cole later in the season. Bernard - was consider a wasted pick immediately following his draft selection and his whole rookie season where he barely saw the field. AJE - barely saw the field as a rookie. Dorian Williams - barely saw the field as a rookie before leading the team in tackles in his 2nd season. James Cook - was brought along slow as a rookie and got very little usage behind underwhelming Singletary, and more frustratingly wasn't even used in the role he was initially targeted for in the draft which was as a pass catching weapon out of the backfield. And there’s even more - but point is we have brought many day 2 and day 3 rookies along slow many times that resulted in a quality to excellent players. So it’s pretty premature to make a big deal about Landon right now, especially with the very large piece of missing context in your snap counts, which is depth of contributing players ahead of him who have experience in the system on a team already forced to play multiple rookies on the DL while we have several key players out via injury and suspension.

Justin Simmons is the name that stands out to me. Can’t see us adding a RB right now, we still have Gore on the PS who stood out in preseason too if we needed another body. Hendrickson also stands out, but not sure if they can make him work with the cap, but no doubt he could help.

Bobby's seat is not going to get hot when the defense is missing 2 of its best players, its first round draft pick, and 2 of its relevant FA signings. Not saying it shouldn't - just saying what the reality is.

Its likely going to come down to how the Bengals season did last year. Bengals slow start put them well behind and they had to fight for every game down the stretch to squeeze in, but ultimately came up short. It would be really big if they can steal at least 1 win while Lamar is out. If Lamar misses 2 weeks and comes back to a 1-5 team, that is going to be a much tougher hill to climb than 2-4. And if Lamar misses 3 games and they lose all 3, I don't think that team came come back from that and still make the playoffs. Not impossible, but very doubtful.

While you are not wrong in terms of Knox brings more to the table in terms of athletic receiver…what you are missing is that Knox doesn’t play that role anymore, Kincaid does. Knox is much more of a blocking TE than he is a receiving TE since Kincaid got here. There was this idea of a 2 TE pass attack when we drafted Kincaid after extending Knox with a hefty contract. But the reality is we don’t really run that kind of offense like the Pats did when they had Gronk and Hernandez. Knox has become more of a blocker, not just in the run game, but in pass protection and through routes where the play is designed to go elsewhere and he’s clearing out and blocking for the YAC. And this is where Hawes vs Knox gets interesting because Hawes is already a better blocker, not a knock on Knox, but Hawes is just an excellent blocker already. And now Hawes is showing good feel and the ability to make plays when his number is called as a receiver. I agree Knox is a top 15-18 TE in the league, and honestly if he started full time as a more featured TE somewhere, he would probably be top 10. But make no mistake about it, the roles Knox plays here right now is a bit redundant with what Hawes does as well, and Hawes is already better at the core of each of their jobs which is blocking. And all one has to do is track their snap counts to see the coaches know this too. I like Knox, got nothing against him, but IMHO his future on this team is rapidly becoming expendable. And that doesn’t mean he will be gone, but it does mean his future isn’t clear, and in any scenario where he remains here, his contract will have to look a lot different.

bahahaha well played sir

Sorry, but Rex said nothing wrong and nothing that everyone else isn’t already thinking and knowing. Shadeur has a major entitlement problem and has no clue how to be a pro - which is shameful given his dad should know how to be a pro in this league. You can’t be cocky like Deion if you haven’t earned the right to be on the field. Nothing wrong in Shadeur being confident in his abilities, but there is a proper way to go about it. He could have said he believes in himself and he is just trying to do everything he can to be ready when the opportunity comes. But phrasing it the way he did, he’s is clearly throwing shade at the guys ahead of him, demonstrating a lack of patience, a lack of maturity, and displaying the same entitlement issues that made his stock drop in the first place. This is a man’s league for serious people. Go show them you can be the man, a leader - be in that front row, be all about football, be committed to being the best - don’t sit there and coast through and show bad body language because you think the job should already be yours before you’ve proven to deserve it. Talent/ability - especially for a QB - is only a portion of what makes a player successful. He lacks every other intangible right now even if he may be the QB with the most upside talent wise on that roster.

If he doesn’t like his SB ring and the Philly offense he’s not gonna be happy here

I can totally see him winning OPY if he keeps this up. And - If we are being truly honest about "MVP" in terms of the MVP race, and by honest meaning not just putting every QB we can on the list - then I find it hard to not list Cook as 2nd behind Allen right now. Lamar? 1-3 and missed plenty of throws and plays in all 3 losses despite his great overall personal stats. Mahomes? 2-2 and he hasn't been having an MVP level season thus far. Herbert? Just blew a critical opportunity to hold on to a 2 game lead over KC and was the reason he lost to a bad Giants team missing its best weapon and starting a rookie QB in his first start ever. No RB has much of a chance to win MVP (we have seen as much in recent years) - but I cant really put another player 2nd behind Allen right now who has meant more to their teams start than Cook.

I find it hard to keep Lamar that high after a 1-3 start. I get that its not all his fault, and his stats are strong as an individual. But in all 3 losses, he has missed critical passes to wide open guys or failed to make plays that impacted the outcome of those games. I would honestly put James Cook in the MVP race and above Lamar right now even though a RB has very slim shot at winning it over a QB on any given season. But looking around the league, he is playing better and impacting his team more than many of the guys on the MVP list right now. Herbert is the reason the Chargers lost Sunday to a Giants team starting a rookie QB that also lost their best offensive weapon for the season. I don't think he should be 2nd in the race right now. They had a great opportunity to keep a 2 game lead on KC and blew it to a team they had no business losing too and in large part because of Herbert.

Thats fair, and he also might not. I just think people forget the paths of many of our best players here started as equally slow or similarly as slow when they had guys playing ahead of them too and didn't feel they had to rush the younger guy out. And as fans, it can be frustrating when we think the guys out there are not doing that great of a job as it is. Like I was so frustrated watching McKenzie keep starting at slot when he was terrible at it instead of just getting the rookies feet wet in Shakir. But, its just how this regime has done things in a lot of these cases, and in some it worked out (Shakir, Bernard, etc) and some it didn't (Elam, Boogie, etc). All good bud

No offense, but this is not really accurate: 2023 the Eagles had the 10th pick in the draft when they moved up 1 pick to the 9th pick to get Jalen Carter who fell in their lap. 2022 the Eagles had the 15th pick in the draft when they moved up 2 spots to steal Jordan Davis I think most people would agree that both those 2 guys were the biggest contributions to their defensive turn around and both were top 13 picks in recent years where the Eagles had much earlier picks than us. NOTE: For comparison sake (3rd round DE's) 2024 the Eagles took a DE in the 3rd round who has 1.5 sacks and 14 tackles for his career between last year and this year. KC took a DE in the 3rd round this year - he has 0 sacks and 3 tackles. So apples to apples with KC and Phi on 3rd DE's, neither KC or PHI getting much of anything out theirs thus far either. BONUS - In 2023 KC actually used a 1st round pick on a DE who averages 1.5 sacks and 12 tackles a season and hasn't played in 2025.

McKenzie - tiny little guy ha

Why is a he a weak prospect at DE? Most thought he was going to go in the 2nd round, including many here and in the Bills own mock drafts here. He was never a "weak" prospect at DE, he was always a 2nd to 3rd rounder by most accounts. McD has notoriously brought rookies along slowly when there were capable guys ahead of them. When we moved on from Cole, they brought McNugget back and signed Crowder on top of drafting Shakir, a guy who was projected to possibly go as high as round 2 or 3 that slid to us in the 5th - which also prompted coaches and GM's to text Beane upset we got him. Then Crowder got hurt and McNugget kept proving what many of us new before the season even began, that he had no business starting in the NFL - still no Shakir despite McNugget being so bad they brought back the ghost of Cole Beasley. Even going into Shakir's 2nd season, Dorsey was very very slow to give Shakir any real reps or targets until literally right before he was fired. Then Brady took over and Shakir literally came on and went on to lead the team (with both Diggs and Davis still on it) in receiving despite half as many targets that Diggs got the rest of the season. We drafted Bernard in the 3rd round and many people here said he was also a bust because he didn't really play much his rookie season. Same with Cook, he was brought along slow and many thought he was a part time RB at best who really was just here to catch passes. Same with AJE, Spencer Brown, Matt Milano, Benford, etc all of which had "bust" or JAG labels early in their careers around here by TSW. So, no disrespect, not immediately starting or contributing for a rookie in this regime has never been an immediate sign of a wasted pick or a bust. Does not mean Landon is the next Shakir or Bernard either, just means that we have a crowded DL rotation right now, and for whatever reason he hasn't gotten opportunities yet.

A good post that will get glossed over because people are not willing to look at facts that don't support preexisting opinions or bias. The silliest part about all this is that for most people, they can't wrap their heads around possibility each team got the guy that fit what their team needed, was looking for, and fits their offense best.

No disrespect - but - not really sure how its not part of the conversation? A major concern about Worthy coming out, and still is now, was his small frame holding up to high volume work in the NFL. Pretty doubtful Keon misses time if he had run into Kelce week 1. "Availability is the best ability" is an entrenched mantra in the NFL for a reason. So to act like it has no value, especially during a stretch the Chiefs went 1-2 and are looking up in their division and well behind in the seeding race in the AFC right now seems unreasonable. Not to mention, this was just 1 game he has appeared in, and against the same team Keon had a big game and was a core reason why we won it. Not to mention, Worthy has way more target opportunities in KC right now with the lack of weapons there due to a lesser WR room, lesser OL, lesser RB room and their actual best WR suspended. So no disrespect, but feels like the pro Worthy crowd only seems to be interested in discussing things that provide confirmation bias for preexisting opinions. What is most interesting is how few people seem so shut down to the idea that BOTH teams got the guy that fits best with what they wanted, needed, and the offenses they run. KC wasn't looking for a WR1, they wanted a deep threat and didn't need size either with Kelce and Rice there amongst others. Bills were looking for more a physical and bigger target given we lacked size on our WR room when we drafted Keon and were in the beginning of a full retooling of the group.

How many yards does Worthy have this year outside the one Ravens game? So why are you not going apples to apples and comparing his 1 game to the 1 game Keon played against the same bad defense? Also: What OL does KC have and who are the RB's? Are they as good as James Cook and our OL? What other weapons does KC have compared to the Bills? All you are doing is cherry picking something to exaggerate it out to feed a bias. Worthy has very little target competition in KC right now and a weak running game behind a mediocre OL - meanwhile Buffalo has a dominant running game, has an offense where Josh Allen FREQUENTLY completes passes to 8-9 different targets and runs an offense that literally is rooted in taking the easy underneath stuff by design. The two situations are not remotely comparable. If Keon was a Chief, he would probably average 8+ targets a game. You cant catch the ball when you aren't targeted because your RB in on a tear and leading the NFL and your QB throws to everyone on the team, including even our 3rd string blocking specialist TE. There is a completely false pretense that because Keon (or insert any WR/TE name here on this team) isn't getting X number of catches per week, they must not be playing well or be open. But the reality is so many people here still don't understand at all what our offense is, how its being run, etc despite the fact Josh talks about verbatim after almost every game. Keon and Palmer have been open plenty of times when not getting the ball, but our offense is designed where we run a lot of routes for the intent on getting someone else open and if that guy isn't there Josh checks it down and takes the easy throw. And Josh has said he is going to keep doing that until they find a way to take that away. And the only time where we really needed to go away from that, thanks to our bad defense in week 1, we started airing it out and Keon went off - and against the same team and he (and Palmer for that matter) was a critical reason why we won that game. But Worthy, who was injured again (part of the concerns on him was his slight frame and lack of strength) comes in and has one good game against the same team Keon did and suddenly its all about Worthy again. Chiefs are looking up at the division and the 1 seed right now, and Worthy not being on the field the first 3 weeks while their actual best WR is suspended didn't help their cause. Meanwhile, Keon had a big game week 1 and helped set the tone for the season and Bills cease a commanding lead on the 1 seed. And Josh and Keon were playing pitch and catch out there yesterday, but we just don't call enough of that unfortunately and my bigger concern is how Brady is calling games in critical situations and how long he lets the offense sputter before letting the dogs out of their cages.

Remind me - what did Keon Coleman do against the Ravens?

Actually, that is exactly why they should be worried. $47m in cap space gone. Pro Bowl DT gone. 2 First Round picks gone. For a guy so easily neutralized and now they lack cap space, premium draft picks, and created a hole on the interior making it even harder for them to put people on the filed that can take advantage of the double teams Parsons sees.

Lmao - $47m per year(franchise QB money), 2 first round picks, and a pro bowl DT for a one dimensional pass rush specialist - just to go 0-1-1 against the Browns and Cowboys - who dropped a 40 piece despite not having their best offensive weapon in CeeDee Lamb. That kind of comp you better be adding wins to the win column to the degree a QB does. And not only is he not having that kind of impact, they aren’t even winning lol. I didn’t think he was worth anything close to what he got, and I still don’t. I said it before when the trade happened, that I didn’t think this moved the needle much for the Packers and that the Lions and Eagles are still better. And so far, nothings happened to change my mind.