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Joe B (The Athletic) on passing game problems (with data)
Shaw66 replied to dave mcbride's topic in The Stadium Wall
Haven't read all the comments, but it seems that the gist of them is the Bills need some better receivers. I'd like the Bills to have better receivers, too, but I'm not sure that's the problem. I'd suggest that Joe Brady and perhaps Sean McDermott are the problems. And I think there are some pretty simple statistics that demonstrate why: In 4+ years in the league, playing on two lousy teams with lousy quarterbacks, Elijah Moore averaged 52 receptions for over 500 yards and 2 TDs over 17 games. He is way below that average with the Bills and a HOF quarterback. He's on pace for 15 receptions and 200 yards. In his years in the league, playing his first seven on two lousy teams and with lousy quarterbacks, Curtis Samuel averaged 55 receptions for over 500 yards and four TDs over 17 games. He is way below that average with the Bills and a HOF quarterback. He's on pace for 10 receptions and 100 yards. Somehow, coaches for the Jets and the Browns and the Panthers and Washingtons knew how to get the ball to these guys 600 yards per season, even though they didn't have Josh Allen throwing and they didn't have James Cook putting up 150 yards rushing. Neither one of those guys is world-beater, but the production for both of them declined significantly as soon as they arrived in Buffalo and began playing for Brady and McDermott. -
Joe B (The Athletic) on passing game problems (with data)
Ramza86 replied to dave mcbride's topic in The Stadium Wall
The funny thing is being a game manager is the final form of an Elite QB. Just hit the open guy, live to fight another play. Manage the game, be smart....sometimes youll have to be elite and do the elite thing but youd rather not have to do it all game. -
Never. That's Travis Henry. * (Youth After Conception.)
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The New Guys: Hairston, Hoecht, Ogunjobi plus Hancock
billsbackto81 replied to Ray Stonada's topic in The Stadium Wall
Taron and Tre continue to be cause for concern. Fortunately the influx of the players mentioned masked many of the issues. I'm sure many noticed that without Bernard and Milano the run D was much more stout and the pass rush much more effective. This in turn allowed the secondary to be more decisive in coverage instead of having to stick with receivers for long periods. But as optimistic as this game was, also keep in mind they were dealing with a relic backup QB with the mobility of a turtle. Dalton was absolutely abysmal. -
At this point, I have to put some blame Brady for the WR room. There is zero creativity. We run 1 scripted play to Shakir, there is no crossing routes, there are no motions, it's so bizarre. I don't think I've ever seen the ball snapped with Coleman off the line or in motion. Why don't we try using him in the slot? Why don't we use him in motion, snap the ball, and have him cross? Why don't we run screens to him? He's great with the ball in his hands. Samuel is a fast WR. There is nothing scheming him open. We scheme route concepts, not getting folks open. It's so hard to watch teams put their players in position to run after the catch and we just cant. Shakir being the only exception. Maybe they're "saving" some stuff for down the line. I don't know. I'd also like to see us use Cook more in the passing game. I just think our offensive passing game lacks a ton of creativity. 2 completions more than 20 yards down field this year is embarrassing.
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Joe B (The Athletic) on passing game problems (with data)
transient replied to dave mcbride's topic in The Stadium Wall
Hopefully they threw in a free bilateral hand transplant when he got his knee fixed? -
The New Guys: Hairston, Hoecht, Ogunjobi plus Hancock
Draconator replied to Ray Stonada's topic in The Stadium Wall
Adding to that, I would guess Rico saw Bishop over pursue, and cut it back to get him past the 2nd level. -
I agree, but to break it down as simple as possible, he's just not accurate enough standing there not moving. Even the little short and intermediate throws can go a bit wild. Can he be elite at that as we go on? I don't know.
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Joe Ferguson forever replied to SCBills's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
26% of SNAP beneficiaries are black. 37% white. This is a map of the poor of all races. The poor are concentrated in the old south...both black and white and all other races. -
That's always been the case. He prefers to see an open target and then rifle it in rather than anticipate. That's why we had all that talk about limited RAC years ago. Hard to get RAC when a stationary target gets hit standing in a zone. His bread and butter were those deep ins to Diggs. It's also why all these "expert" all-22 breakdowns claiming "who is he supposed to throw to?" are basically useless. You rarely see guys just running free, but based on leverage you can throw them open.
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The New Guys: Hairston, Hoecht, Ogunjobi plus Hancock
Walking Tall replied to Ray Stonada's topic in The Stadium Wall
Hoecht caused chaos on the LOS. -
Fair to say that, but when you win 40-9 you gotta reach on downs because there's not a lot to complain about. If this was lets say a 28-14 game that was a little more in doubt then there probably would have been bigger downs but that's not what happened.
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The New Guys: Hairston, Hoecht, Ogunjobi plus Hancock
ProcessTruster replied to Ray Stonada's topic in The Stadium Wall
It's a young man's game, and the Bills rolled out some youth yesterday. Beane nailed the draft and FA, we are just now getting a first glimpse of what he accomplished. Ed Oliver being out is sort of a "whatever" to me. Was never a huge fan. -
10/26/25 GAMEDAY Bills at Panthers post game thread
billsfan89 replied to BuffaloBill's topic in The Stadium Wall
They were supposedly considering to IR Palmer, so I would be very doubtful of him playing. I do wonder if Daquaon, Bernard, and Milano will be in. Those veteran returns would help ease the likely loss of Ed (who even if he's not as seriously hurt as we think is likely going to miss 2-3 weeks on a slight tear/strain) on defense. But my main concern is going to be the offense esp if Palmer whose the only outside WR capable of semi-consistently breaking man coverage on the boundary can't go. -
Hate to say this … but the Pats are effing good
Success replied to dave mcbride's topic in The Stadium Wall
It was incredibly one sided. And fine - it's good OC play calling. But I think Maye is overhyped right now for what he's doing. What 4th quarter comeback did he lead? He had some pretty good OC's during the good Tannehill years. -
Joe B (The Athletic) on passing game problems (with data)
starrymessenger replied to dave mcbride's topic in The Stadium Wall
I agree with this. Actually I think we could get a lot more out of our receiver group than we do. Not saying they are great but they are surely better than their performance/production. To me Palmer is a solid #3, which I think is how he has generally been considered, Shakir is a good slot, Moore can properly fill the #4 and Kincaid, while not technically a wide receiver, is an important and capable weapon in the passing game. Coleman I continue to have hope for but clearly he is a developmental player. So what we lack is probably a #1 and maybe also a #2. We have a couple of backs who are capable of catching passing at short and intermediate field depth, but we don't use them that way. But beyond the holes in the WR complement, the bigger problem is the scheme adopted for the passing game, although the two things are of course connected. It's quite apparent I think that the Bills decided while Diggs was here that not only would they become a run first team but that the passing game would conservatively support that approach. It was also part of the thinking underlying the drafting of Coleman instead of some of the other guys who were available. I don't know who exactly was responsible for this decision but it was a bad one even if Beane thought he could defend it. Maybe somebody should be fired. We will see what they do. If they stick with it and stand pat we can forget having any dreams of a championship this year. Indeed it already may well be too late. -
Joe B (The Athletic) on passing game problems (with data)
All_Pro_Bills replied to dave mcbride's topic in The Stadium Wall
I'm going to suggest this is at least half the problem. If I look at Moore and Samuel and their last seasons with their previous teams Moore caught 61 for 538 and Samuel 62 for 613. Not great but good. This with Winston/Watson and Sam Howell as their QB's. All significantly inferior to Allen. Did these guys suddenly forget how to get open when coming to the Bills? Or is the Bills passing game scheme and play calling just bad? -
10/26/25 GAMEDAY Bills at Panthers post game thread
Sierra Foothills replied to BuffaloBill's topic in The Stadium Wall
I know this will get a mixed reaction at best but let me just say that I'm good with Bernard taking a long time to recover and return.
