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I don't know we ever had a defense though where people felt it was a "top defense". We also can't live in the past and also not live in this notion that Josh can still keep doing more. That was a different defense in Fraziers gross bend but don't break soft defense and we were missing our best player on defense that year in Tre. Thats like saying well Elam didn't work out so we should never draft a CB again in the first round. It has no relevancy on today...there are not even many players on this defense from that 2021 team. We were the 16th greatest offense in NFL history this year despite the offense coasting whole quarters and halves in our NFL record number of blow out wins and Josh sitting week 17. Asking the offense to be even better is a ridiculous expectation when meanwhile our defense was bottom of the league in first downs allowed and 3rd down conversions. What is more achievable ask and more realistic to see a noticeable improvement? Also...the top 10 offenses of all time only had 3 teams win a SB, none of the top 4 either. In fact, the top 2 (2007 Pats and 2013 Broncos) got shut down in the Super Bowl and lost to conservative offenses with top tier defenses..numbers 3 and 4 didn't even reach a SB. So more offense has not been the answer historically either.

That game is memorable for me in a different manner. On the pre-game show, Warren Sapp said something along the lines of, "I don't like any of their (the Bills) off-season moves." As the clock was winding down and victory assured, I tweeted at him, "How do the Bills offseason moves look now, Warren?" He actually replied with, "They playing well." My son then retweeted the convo with, "My dad calling out Hall of Famers on Twitter." Closet I've been to "going viral." Lol

I loved the pick of Kincaid in 23. Bummer of a season in 24. The idea was he needed to bulk up to handle the physicality of the nfl. He looks so skinny. Did he even look at the weight room since the season ended??

Thank you for your perspective. And i dont want to come across as an expert- as i said before there are no experts in this field and if they did exist, i would not be among them. It is apparent that my concern has rubbed many the wrong way, and for that I apologize. My original post addressed what my lingering concerns were. i could cite specific couples i have worked with that faced similar issues but my post would long and many details i cannot divulge because of privacy. So we are just going in circles. what i can assure you is that i am not a robot/bot etc, i am a real fan of the bills since i was a kid in the mid 80s. I rode the highs and lows evey qb from kelly, to jo losman, ej, fitzmagic, flutie etc. no we have the greatest qb in the league who is an amazing person as well. He carries the weight of this city on his shoulders. I just dont want feelings at home to be heavier than the emotions on the field. My fear isnt what she has done (very little) to what her willingness to do those things may mean in the future. once again, i apologize if my thoughts were out of line.

Typically at home they lose one you are not expecting. That may be my pick this year for the reasons you said, especially if that game is earlier in the year and the secondary/d-line is figuring itself out. The game in 2017 was a straight up shootout and could see that again.

Drought era, but I'd still consider it a "classic" for all the reasons you state. I was there as well and it was my California girl wife's first Bills game. She wasn't a football fan, but LOVED it, and asked "Is it like this every week?"

2022 Week 10 vs. Vikings is one of my favorites even though we ended up losing. Two top ranked teams playing peak football. Circus catches by Diggs and Jefferson, Improbable twists, excellent commentary, It was just great football to watch.

This was a memorable one for me too but for a little different reason. I was watching the game at a bar in Depew and remember that when that snow rolled into the stadium late into that game it wasn't doing anything up north where I was. However by the time I left the place, 20 minutes or so after the game had ended, the system had moved to my location and it was a rough ride home.

The question ultimately becomes, “is what they did last year during the regular season sustainable?” The offense worked well until it didn’t. They didn’t have enough juice to get the score when they needed it. Their passing game regressed significantly but it was enough in the regular season. The OL was incredible as was Josh. They set a record for lowest negative plays ever. If that regresses to the mean, can they overcome it? We look at last year’s results and, if we are simple, can say it worked. If we look at all of the underlying reasons that it worked, is it reasonable to expect that again. p.s. The numbers were WAY better after the Amari acquisition.

You kids and your new age pretzel logic... you know damn well that only a fool would say that, right?

I disagree. We will get the 1 seed. If (for no other reason) than we will likely post a 5-1 division record. AFC Central and AFC West have all gotten better. Our division weakness gives us the inside track to the 1 seed.

I see three pressures on that clip. But equally I agree with you re his pass rush arsenal. It is under developed. Great rip move but not a ton else. He had a good game vs Campbell he won his battle that day but he still has areas for development without question.

***** you, we'll discuss what we want to.

That Colts Broncos game in 2022 on TNF where Al Michaels was actively ripping on the game and apologizing to the fans is the only one I've seen come close to the despair that was this sh*t show. By the way Al deserved an award for his commentary that game it was hysterical.

It’s because even when the Bills have had a top defense, they still lost in the playoffs. In 2021, the Bills defense was #1 in total defense, yards per play, passing yards allowed, passing yards per play, first downs allowed per game, third down conversion rate, and points per game. We know how that season ended. So the people asking for more help for Josh still just think he can make better use of talent than the defensive coaches. And even still, most people are happy with how the first two days of the draft panned out and just wanted the Bills to try and add a weapon for Josh early on day 3 of the draft. To add someone to develop into a weapon for Josh in a year or two so we don’t have to keep signing mediocre FA at WR.

I greatly appreciated the context of the rep vs. the 5’10” 270lb guard that “won” the “pass pro” matchup against Walker, who was maligned in the twitter-verse for not being able to beat such a much smaller man. It was apparent to anyone with half a clue that it was a run blocking drill and Walker not only “won” the rep, he embarrassed the guy trying to block him.

They were not just good that loss cost them the 1 seed and instead of hosting Seattle they went there. We all know how that unfolded

Part of the decrease in passing stats was due to the increased reliance on the ground game. We had a much more balanced offense than we have ever had with Josh as our quarterback.

I was there for that one with my cousins that are huge dolphins fans. What a wild game

The leftists on PPP hate America and American citizens. They are all in for china. Totally disgusting and pathetic people the leftists are. Illegals over Americans Jobs in china but not America The list goes on and on!!

The No Punt game was it for me. We just missed playing SF in the SB and that game had a "coulda been" classic matchup feel to it. Was an awesome game.

Agreed, but how do we fit him under the cap?

They scored record points for a season. I don't GAF about passing yards or a lot of other stats that fantasy footballers get hung up on. The only stat that really matters is number of wins. And if the Bills made a serious effort in the final game, would have had a 14-win regular season - a team record. Why should anyone care about passing yards? Stats are often deceptive without in-depth analysis that can provide the real story. Wins. The only stat that matters unless you're invested in the Fantasy game. Marino had amazing passing stats. You can count on zero hand his number of Super Bowl wins. Elite WRs in the FA market are usually cost prohibitive when a team is trying to have competitive balance throughout the entire team roster. The Bills best bet for a top-tier receiver is to find an affordable one in the draft. They'd either have to get real lucky or find a way to trade into the top 15. The best receivers coming out of college are usually gone by the time the Bills get to pick. The idea that the Bills should have gotten their ace receiver this offseason is a head-scratcher. Offer a viable solution. Clearly, Beane didn't see a better option. If you or anyone has a better plan for securing the elusive #1 WR, I'd love to hear it.

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Funny...I was scrolling through this thread and that was the exact song I was gonna add. Great choice. IMHO, Bruce's most comprehensive song. Just amazing. EDIT: And it features the greatest sax solo ever done in a rock n roll song.