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I'm not sure, we'd have to go back and look at all of those catches to see how many air yards there were for each. Obviously, we know that Shakir and Cook get a ton of YAC, but I would venture to guess that most of Keon's 20+-yard catches were more air yards than YAC (same for Palmer and probably Kincaid too, and Hawes' couple of grabs, and Knox---I don't remember a ton of YAC for those players--i.e., taking say a 5-yard pass and turning it into a 25-yard play). But, in the long run, how much does it matter if you get say 25 yards that is all in the air, or 25 yards with a short pass and YAC. 25 yards is 25 yards, right?

The issue is how many of those were 20+ yds thrown not factoring in YAC

If the only thing that matters is a Super Bowl and you're all convinced that McDermott can never get us there, then why are you even still watching the games? Why not turn off the TV/computer until we get a new coach because obviously there is no point in watching now. I've been told multiple times that regular season games/stats are meaningless (only the SB matters at this point), so why are you even upset at a regular season loss then? It shouldn't even matter to you because you already know that McD can't get us to or win a Super Bowl right? So, who cares if we go 13-4 or 1-16. What does it matter according to your standards? You guys should actually be rooting for the Bills to tank, so you can get your new coach and #1 WR.

Irish Government Tells EU What It Can Do With Its Demand to Force 'Hate Speech' Laws on the Public Mike Miller It what may become a "yuuge" (as President Donald Trump might say) victory for free speech in Europe, Irish Justice Minister Jim O'Callaghan announced to the lower House of Ireland’s national parliament that he will not accede to the demands of the European Union (EU) after it put Ireland on notice that it must either submit to the EU's demands to force "hate speech" laws on the Irish public, or risk legal action in Brussels. Before we continue, kudos to Justice Minister O'Callaghan for basically telling the EU what it can do with its (beyond hypocritical) "hate speech" nonsense. Earlier this year, the ever-smug EU gave Ireland a two-month ultimatum to pass new hate speech laws or face legal action for allegedly failing to meet EU standards on issues like antisemitism and anti-Muslim hatred. Hold the bus. Raise your hand if you think a majority of the members of the Union — including United Kingdom countries — are as concerned with rampant antisemitism as with virtually anything anti-Islamic — including against terrorist group Hamas, and other radical antisemitic groups. As reported by the Irish outlet "Gript," the EU has in the past stated that Ireland had allegedly failed to comply with its laws against hate speech and hate crimes. Yet to O'Callaghan's credit, when he was asked by Irish politician Deputy Paul Lawless on Thursday if he would reintroduce a previous hate speech resolution that failed under the last Minister of Justice, the justice minister answered, resoundingly: No. I’m fairly satisfied that Ireland has transposed the European Council framework decision on combating certain forms and expressions of racism and xenophobia in the manner appropriate and tailored to the domestic system of law in Ireland. https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2025/10/10/irish-government-tells-the-eu-what-it-can-do-with-its-demand-to-force-hate-speech-laws-the-public-n2194943

Here is another factor in play that has gone under the radar, as Trump ties America to Qatar.

It's a rugby play, not a football play. It's a scrum/ruck hybrid through and through. First instance I can remember of this play being allowed (against the rules) was the (Reggie) Bush Push back in 2005. Now Google is telling me the rule against this came off the NFL books that same year?! When did refs actually start allowing it on the field, though? And how many resulting infractions are being overlooked to allow this play to continue? **Has me thinking (or maybe I'm just still thinking) about the chart shared in a separate thread showing the Bills with the most offensive holding penalties FOR and also their opponents having the least offensive holding penalties AGAINST...just exactly how it feels watching the games. A few vocal murmurs in the stands last Sunday about the refs "shaving"...with spots and with flags. Sorry, probably unrelated.

It's just Grandstander nightly 10:00 sh*t barrage --

I wish they'd be more straightforward about reporting injuries.. Like Mickelsen found out, don't let Josh get his hands on your rangefinder. I don't see Samuel as a big loss as I see him as being redundant to Elijah Moore. Yes, Samuel played RB in college so he's a bit more physical but they both play that gadget slot role. I think it's inevitable that we'll be seeing more of Buffalo Joe and Ciarlo in the upcoming weeks. We should see if we can get Pinto Ken to jinx him by using Grey Poupon for his pre-game ritual.

I'm not saying there aren't any problems, but some of you guys may be surprised to know that currently the Bills are 3rd in the league in 20+-yard passing plays/receptions. Not sure how you qualify that. And New England dinked and dunked their way to a few Super Bowls, so...

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Atlanta and Buffalo about the farthest two teams apart on this graph. Fun little Vegas/NFL storyline brewing for MNF.

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I haven't read much of this thread, but it relates to something I've been thinking about. I agree there's too much panic. Of course, we'd like the Bills to be dominating every game instead of looking so suspect, but that isn't reasonable. Teams rarely do that. I agree with starry, that it's all about making the playoffs and playing well then. Ideally, you win the home field throughout, but homefield isn't as important as playing well when you get to the playoffs. I wrote last week about how the preseason is coming to an end. Many people got on my case, saying that's ridiculous, but this past week has me even more convinced. Who are the favorites to get to the Super Bowl? Bills and Eagles, and that was AFTER both teams lost on Sunday. Nobody thinks the Bills and Eagles are playing like big winners - they both are struggling. But the question is who's most likely to put it together, and based on the bones of each team, the experience, the QB, most everyone still thinks those are the two leaders. I was watching the Eagles struggle against the Giants last night and could help but think two things: Right now, the two teams looked similar, bumbling around the field, too many penalties, certainly not firing on all cylinders, leaky defense. Very similar. The other thing I thought is that the Bills played a tough team on Sunday, a team that looked like it was coming together, got smacked around a bit, and lost by a field goal on the last play. The Eagles completely fell apa, rt against a team that had shown very little except a wish about their rookie QB. Eagles took a much worse beating. If the Eagles still are the team to beat in the NFC, then the Bills are struggling less. The offense clearly hasn't come together yet, but all the pieces are there. The passing game will be fine, especially when the oline tightens up the pass pro. Cook is doing fine. The defense hasn't found itself, but I think it's by design. I think, for example, that when we get to December we'll see the Bills' zone tighten, and they'll be tough against that underneath stuff that's killing them now. And the d line will get reinforcements and will be battle tested. Can I prove that we saw last week will fade as the team gets sharp in December? No, but it looks to me as though the Bills are doing this consciously. They will be cranking things up beginning after the bye, being 4-1 at this point will have been certainly good enough.

Deion ran a 4.27 40 coming out of FSU!

I disagree. When the Rams had Cooper Kupp, but needed help on the Outside - would it have made sense for them to pass on trading for Odell Beckham Jr. (that they could put on the field at the same time as Kupp) to bring in another Slot like Kupp? No. Likewise It would have made zero sense, when we already had Khalil Shakir (our Kupp), Dalton Kincaid, and Curtis Samuel to bring in another Slot guy - when literally all we had was Mack Hollins and nothing else on the Outside. In a vacuum, I see the logic you're trying to go with. But when you have literally nothing at a position, you have to fill those spots first. Ladd McConkey would have served to take Khalil Shakir or Kincaid off the field and we'd be rolling with Hollins and MVS as our Outside guys with no backups. It'd have been like us drafting a Nickel CB in 2023 or 2025 when we already had Taron Johnson but needed to replace a starting Outside CB. Drafting a 3T when you need a 1T, a Middle Linebacker when you need an Outside Linebacker, an Interior Offensive Lineman when you need an Offensive Tackle. Just because they're in the same position group doesn't mean their skill set and talent is transferrable anywhere.

He was a good receiver. His last year in New England he had 998 yards. The year before that he was the Super Bowl MVP. He was then traded for a 1st & signed a big deal in Seattle. Let’s not pretend he was some scrub. 🤣🤣

its both. the scheme feasts on bum qbs. coupled with year after year of draft whiffs, this is what we're gonna get when up against a superiorly coached team, EVEN if the talent is sub-par on the opposing team. Preparation and coaching are paramount in a league with such close talent levels across rosters.

Now, THIS is what journalism is supposed to look like.

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