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When you jump into the debate of who is best, one things I think is clear, Allen is responsible for more output than anybody. His off schedule plays are a significant amount of our production offensively. I can't imagine anybody in NFL history has generated more production off schedule than Allen. Which isn't ideal all the time, but when we value the contributions of #17 I think it extends a little further than a conversation of what an elite QB is worth to a team. I don't believe this offense work without out him in even a pedestrian fashion. Which is really saying something given it was one of the franchises most productive ever last year.

I am once again, however briefly, not older than every Bills player.

Yeah, he took his job seriously last season but he was still having fun as a rookie, enjoying the novelty factor. I get the feeling once he realized how brutal the NFL can be and how high the jump in talent level is from college, he knew in order to make a mark he needed to change his approach. Maybe it will amount to nothing but like you I'm really looking forward to seeing how he does.

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Huge upside here is that we don't have to be nervous about Bass's kicks for a while? Obviously, we have to now be nervous about Prater, but one thing at a time here people!

With all of Josh's astronomical stats and if he's this elite playoff QB what has that gotten him? If we take your narrative what does that say about Josh? He has played his best ball in the playoffs and has nothing to show for it. Meanwhile Lamar has choked (your words not mine) and has accomplished as much as the guy that has been at his best.

It's interesting, I've heard both Josh and McD use coded language like more 'professional' and 'mature' than last year. I don't think he didn't take it seriously last year, but like any rookie I think there's a step/realization to really understand what it takes/means to be great pro - I feel like he gets that now. I'm excited to see him this year

Terrible news !! I've been so worried about Bass's pelvis!

If that argument can be made, it's not because he made a Super Bowl 4 seasons ago. It's because he's putting up crazy numbers in general. Here's Burrow's stats from that AFCCG: 22/38 comp / 250 pass yards / 2 TDs / 1 INT / 86.5 passer rating (25 rush yards). The game prior to that, Josh Allen had: 27/37 comp / 329 pass yards / 4 TDs / 0 INTs / 136.0 passer rating (68 rush yards). Tell me, which QB played better? If Allen's defense held KC to 3 points in a half + OT in ONE of his 4 games, he'd have appeared in a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, Lamar's defense actually shut out the Chiefs in the 2nd half of the 2023 AFCCG... *************** Next point - Josh being a "turnover machine" has always been a silly narrative. "He leads the league in turnovers since he entered the league!" makes it sound way worse than it was, primarily because only him, Mahomes, Carr, Goff & Russell Wilson who played nearly every game over that span. And over that time, Allen also has the most TDs of everyone. Josh entered the league in 2018 & only missed a handful of games his rookie year. Who else was starting the next 7 years? You have QBs that were in the league at that time retired or lost the starting job at some point in the following years (Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Ryan, Rivers, Cam). You have QBs that were missed time, were benched or injured at various points (Dak, Cousins, Winston, Mayfield, Darnold, Stafford, Jones, Tannehill, Flacco, Wentz) You have QBs that were drafted years later and/or also injured/benched at various points (Herbert, Burrow, Tua, Purdy, Hurts, Richardson, Young, Kyler Murray, Mack Jones) League Leader in turnovers by Year: 2018: Josh Rosen 2019: Jameis Winston 2020: Carson Wentz 2021: Trevor Lawrence 2022: Josh Allen 2023: Sam Howell 2024: Kirk Cousins + Baker Mayfield + Will Levis So only one of those years was Josh actually the league leader in turnovers. And in that stretch, he also put up 262 TDs & had a 2.38 to 1 TD to turnover ratio. He averaged 9 more TDs & 5 more turnovers a season than Lamar. Is that horrible? I would say no, especially when TDs equal ACTUAL points, while turnovers equal POTENTIAL points for the opponent. You could commit 4 turnovers in a game & have the opponent score 3 points off that. Meanwhile, if you score 4 TDs in a game, that's 24 points on the board. Which is more important? ****************** Lastly, just to really bring up how ridiculous the whole "Allen doesn't deserve MVP" argument is, let's compare the last 2 MVPs: 2023 Lamar Jackson - 67% completions / 3,678 pass yards / 29 Total TDs / 13 Turnovers / 821 rush yards / 102.7 passer rating 2024 Josh Allen - 64% completions / 3,731 pass yards / 41 Total TDs / 8 Turnovers / 531 rush yards / 101.4 passer rating So Lamar had better completion %, rush yards & passer rating, while Josh had more pass yards, TDs & less turnovers. How exactly would 2023 Lamar deserve MVP but 2024 Allen does not? These are both great players, but to act like one is just so beneath the other or "overrated" is ridiculous. And both are better than Burrow.

I feel like people who have played the game really get just how otherworldly his talent is.

… good one?

Allen’s had 5 prime years. Actually, he’s not even midway thru his prime yet either. He didn’t come out of the gate the MVP 40+ TD beast he is now. Took him a few years to acclimate, but we all saw the incredible flashes. My point is… 5 years is really not that much. You’d expect him to have one, but it’s not some insane fact that he doesn’t. A lot of people forget the LUCK aspect of a championship team. The ball hasn’t bounced our way at all.

Ya that is straight up just a horrible list lol. Doesn't even have Mahomes Or Lamar in his top 4..

I just hope that all he will be doing is kicking extra points.

😬 this is straight from Steven Spielberg

I've thought about this, and I know that my thoughts will be of my two long-departed grandfathers who loved the Bills and fostered my love of them. I'm sure that many others will have similar thoughts.

Keon really does seem all business this year. The jokey rookie we saw last year has vanished

Wonder why then never brough in former bill Dustin Hopkins for a tryout

I’ll have to check it out! I’m big into documentaries myself. I wanna take a stab at making one before my lifetime

Holy crap is it cold here all of a sudden...wait, is that a flying pig?

Yes and no. Your overall point was they can't afford to wait to put Bass on IR because they'll need to sign someone to the roster as they'll need a K, CB, and DT. But unlike most IR moves, there was no corresponding move. Just Bass to IR. My point was they're going to elevate Prater from the PS this week, so as to not guarantee his contract for the full season. And that if they felt they needed a DT, CB, and K instead of just a CB and K - they'd have used Carter's spot for a DT instead of Franklin. As of now, I believe what I said to still be true. They're going to elevate Prater from the PS this week and after this week, they'll sign him for the spot they opened up by putting Bass on IR now. I assumed they'd just make him inactive but there must be a financial benefit to having him on IR now instead. I still maintain that Carter would have most likely been inactive on Sunday, so his injury doesn't require a call up. Dane Jackson and Matt Prater will be out call-ups and we'll be good to go with Prater signing after the week is over. If a signing is announced between now and Sunday, than you're right. But as of now, you're both right and wrong.

Bruh 🤣🤣🤣 Side note, theres "ok city bombing: one day in America" on Hulu. I was too young to understand it, and by the trial it felt like old news to my brain. I couldn't fathom why people still talked about it. Im a huge documentary guy. This one is absolutely in my top 3 - Ken Burns Vietnam miles in front of everyone

Whoever is on the practice squad will get activated if White is a no-go

And who's behind them if one of both of them go down? Covington? Hancock? Lewis? The water boy?

Be more specific 🙂 Today I printed out the roster with player numbers , so i could keep up on subs, packages etc during the Game. I am old and need a cheat sheet Go Bills