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Vontae Davis' name has come up a few times in this thread. He died just a few months ago... still no cause of death released. Not long ago he did an ad for FanDuel... cashing in on his infamous retirement:

I don’t hate orton as much as some people. He was only pressed into action off the couch where he wanted to be after Whaley left no option other than Manuel.

The spelling and grammar everywhere are jarring. I'm not convinced that there's enough editing going on at the Buffalo News or the Rochester D&C. And ProFootballTalk has a very low standard for spelling and grammar... shameful for an enterprise that makes as much money as they do. Florio's no better than many of the corporations he rails against. Actually AI-generated stuff is very excellent with spelling. AI is used in the medical and legal fields and media outlets should make more use of it in order to better edit their products.

I'll believe it when I see it. And why would the "NFL Personal Conduct Policy" not cite or repeat verbatim the applicable sections of the CBA if they directly apply to this policy? Where I work we have governing documents with the US Dept of Labor, the EEOC, the state Department of Industrial Relations, the CBA, and our state and local standards. I just don't believe it's anything but arbitrary, Beck Water.

The point here, was that if Araiza were crlminally charged, that would be considered to be conduct affecting the NFL because it occurred while he was an NFL player under contract. It's not my statements that are the issue, it's the NFL/NFLPA CBA and how it was interpreted at the time, which you didn't recall or research.

I hope he dings one off of Beane's face when they play the Chiefs next year

That's because you need to look at the initial language in the CBA framing the applicability.

He’s a smart offensive mind. But something is missing that will put that team over the top. QB is a big one, but the whole team has collapsed in both his seasons as HC

I remember it was discussed and it's very "convenient" for the NFL to take this position... even though there's nothing in the actual language which punctuates when the rules are applied relative to when the alleged incidents take place. https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/website/Departments/Salary-Cap-Agent-Admin/2022-NFL-Personal-Conduct-Policy.pdf And that relates to my earlier objections to Goodell's handling of the Araiza case (and his running of the league in general)... that the NFL arbitrarily applies its rules for its own convenience. This is further supported by your statement that (paraphrasing) "the league would not grant the Bills a roster exemption unless he were criminally charged." There's nothing in the language delineating this position. In fact further indicting the NFL's arbitrary and inconsistent rules is the one that does exist that states "But even if the conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, players found to have engaged in any of the following conduct will be subject to discipline." Make sense? I don't think so. Then look at their recent sanction's against Atlanta for tampering... in the context of previous tampering cases. The tampering case is just one of dozens of examples of the NFL not being consistent in their rulings. Believe what you'd like but I'm done here.

I looked out this morning and the sun was gone Turned on some music to start my day I lost myself in a familiar song I closed my eyes and I slipped away It's more than a feeling (More than a feeling) When I hear that old song they used to play (More than a feeling) I begin dreaming (More than a feeling) 'Til I see Marianne walk away I see my Marianne walkin' away

I could see him picking Rubio, just to degrade him and make him leave Florida. I could see him picking Scott, just to force him to get married. But I still see him picking Stefanik. I think the ***** move the needle more than race does.

Wasn't the issue with Araiza that he didn't inform the Bills about it?

I assume you are a Republican, given how you defend convicted felon Donald Trump and attack Biden and Deomcrats. In which case he would have been evicted. Fae it, he was and still is a whiney, weak, sore loser who lost. I don't recall hearing that in the run-up to 2016, nor during his Presidency. There are numerous reasons to believe it could happen this time. 1. If the Supreme Court agrees that a President has absolute immunity, he can do whatever he wants. After 2 impeachments he has learned that there will never be enough Republicans in the Senate to remove him from power. 2. He will have far more sycophants in his next administration. Gone will be the guardrails that inhibited him the last time (John Kelly, Mark Milley, Bill Barr, Rod Rosenstien ...). He won't make that mistake twice.

Again, see my post above - according to the terms of the CBA, the NFL could not place him on administrative leave for actions that took place before he signed a contract with the NFL

On the other hand, had the NFL adhered to the principals of due process and "innocent until proven guilty" (by placing him on administrative leave) it could have ultimately been a win-win-win for the NFL, the Bills, and Araiza.

It would NOT be applicable to the Araiza case. This was discussed and clarified at the time. The NFLPA/NFL CBA specifically PROHIBITS the NFL from disciplining a player for actions that took place prior to his joining the NFL. Once a player signs a contract, the NFL personal conduct policy clearly applies. While a player participates in the pre-draft process (Senior Bowl, Combine, Team Visits etc) it's a grey area - there may be some documents the player signs. But while the player is in college, before he signs a contract and before the pre-draft process, it's unambiguous: the NFL can NOT discipline the player, including placing him on the "Commissioner's Exempt List" aka "Paid Administrative Leave" aka "Leave With Pay" The NFL was very clear with the Bills that they would NOT place Araiza on the commissioner's exempt list and grant the Bills a roster exemption for him, unless he were criminally charged (which would be considered to have occurred during his employment with the NFL, even for actions that took place earlier) Again, this was all discussed at the time. It's growing very wearisome to have all these people making posts about debatable ***** and saying "I do not wish to debate this" The issue isn't the nature of the allegations or the outrage, it's when the alleged behavior took place - during the Fall, well before Araiza became an NFL player and subject to the Personal Conduct Policy

Exactly. If the Chiefs are punting against other teams a lot, especially against the Bills, that's a Good Thing. And if they got a guy who booms it 70 yds every kick and he punts from the 35 yd line and we get a touchback, or he punts it right at our returner, again, Good Things. Bonus if he has trouble holding for FG when it's nasty weather The preseason he was with the Bills, I believe you would class his holding skills as "progressing" Now in his time out of football, it's entirely possible he's developed and improved in all aspects - having "touch" on his punts, directional punting, and holding.

I don’t often make lists, or fire people if it is arguable that they might be top 5 out of 32.

I agree with those who said "there's more to punting than just booming 'em".Wasn't he an awful holder as well?

It might, but he’s such a big figure and his popularity is so consistent, that I’m not sure how much the traditional model applies

Who are the top five GM in your opinion. That will also help make the case for Beane

The X's and O's of cheerleading?

I actually know @mrags outside of this board... we talked the other day. He said that Kollman is so slow that in broadcasting school (Cal State-Fullerton) it took him 8 years to finish his 4 year degree.

This is against US flag code, for anyone who knows the code. 🍻