1billsfan Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Researching mind-numbing Jaroun quotes (redundancy, I know) for the other thread, I came across a long forgotten story which I felt was interesting enough to have it's own thread. The story bares a striking resemblance to what pains that the Bills fans are going through today (well those sane ones who have literally had it with Jauron-ball). A quick synopsis is that in Oct of 2002, then Chicago head coach Dick Jauron was called "a coward" by a caller during his a weekly radio talk show after a heartbreaking OT loss to the Lions. Dick responded that he had a lot better ways to spend his time. The setup... After going 13-3 the previous season and starting out 2002 with 2 straight wins then 3 straight losses, the Bears lost 20-23 to the Lions in overtime. Note the Bears final drive "let's try killing the clock with 7 minutes left" ultraconservative play selection which ended with a punt to the Lions with 2:21 in time remaining... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002.htm http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?g...p;override=true Also note: the Bears lost 4 more games in a row after that OT loss, making it 8 straight losses well on their way to a fabulous 4-12 record. Here was some press on the Jauron called a "coward" story... http://www.dailypress.com/topic/cs-021028b...37.story?page=2 "On the air: Jauron cleared up the controversy over remarks he made on his radio show last week. When a caller suggested Jauron was coaching like a "coward," host Hub Arkush jumped in and defended the coach. Jauron, in turn, said he had, "a lot better ways to spend my time."" http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-21...2;"Byline: Bob LeGere Daily Herald Sports Writer In light of the publicity generated last week by confrontational calls to him on "The Bears Insider" on WSCR 670-AM Monday evenings, coach Dick Jauron was asked if having to handle adversarial callers was difficult. "For me? No, it's really not," Jauron said. "I mean I'd rather not; you'd rather win all your games. Even then I'm sure you'll have some callers who don't agree with things you do. " And here's a football forum (circa 2006) talking about the episode and the Bills' possible hiring of Jauron... http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=139708 "I give Dick credit for going to that show each week and getting smashed by callers, while keeping his composure. and about the conservative approach I agree, I remember him saying something like "we just need to keep the game close, and hopefully will have a chance to win it with a field goal at the end." I understand about holding on to the ball, field position, ect......but I cant have my team play the whole game with a prevent offence and defense." I know it's small annedotal story, yet it's one that I had never heard about and explains so clearly why we're so frustrated. He DOES coach like he's afraid of his own shadow. It was as true in 2002 as it is in 2009! I found this story very interesting and if you didn't I'm sure that you'll let me have it. Hey, anybody know if Dick is going to have a call-in show this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep2Moulds46 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 carbon copy of Bills fans now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 With this being do or die time for Dick, I couldn't imagine him playing ultra conservative unless the Bills are up BIG. Add the presence of TO, I'm sure he wouldn't let Dick and his conservatism slide. If he thought dealing with an upset caller was tough, wait until one of his more outspoken players voices his displeasure publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I know it's small annedotal story, yet it's one that I had never heard about and explains so clearly why we're so frustrated. He DOES coach like he's afraid of his own shadow. It was as true in 2002 as it is in 2009! I found this story very interesting and if you didn't I'm sure that you'll let me have it. Hey, anybody know if Dick is going to have a call-in show this season? 2002 was the year the Bears were forced to play their home games at the University of Illinois in Champaign. Jim Miller and Ted Washington went down early in the season and things went downhill from there. Game recap "The Lions received favorable calls from the officials twice during the drive, but a penalty against the Lions helped them the most. With five seconds left in the game, Joey Harrington was sacked by Bears DB Larry Whigham, seemingly ending the game. However, the referees had called a false start on the Lions, negating the previous play. Lions kicker Jason Hanson then hit a 24 yd FG with two seconds remaining to send the game into overtime." Season Recap 1 Season Recap 2 Season Recap 3 Having to rely on Chris Chandler to QB a team would make any HC a bit conservative, IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 With this being do or die time for Dick, I couldn't imagine him playing ultra conservative unless the Bills are up BIG. Add the presence of TO, I'm sure he wouldn't let Dick and his conservatism slide. If he thought dealing with an upset caller was tough, wait until one of his more outspoken players voices his displeasure publicly. You can't be serious. You truly believe he's not going to have a conservative game plan? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 You can't be serious. You truly believe he's not going to have a conservative game plan? Really? He is serious. Tout your soothsaying all you want, but his is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 One word.... Consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Yet, he still had a better record than Belichick pre-Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 lol this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Researching mind-numbing Jaroun quotes (redundancy, I know) for the other thread, I came across a long forgotten story which I felt was interesting enough to have it's own thread. The story bares a striking resemblance to what pains that the Bills fans are going through today (well those sane ones who have literally had it with Jauron-ball). A quick synopsis is that in Oct of 2002, then Chicago head coach Dick Jauron was called "a coward" by a caller during his a weekly radio talk show after a heartbreaking OT loss to the Lions. Dick responded that he had a lot better ways to spend his time. The setup... After going 13-3 the previous season and starting out 2002 with 2 straight wins then 3 straight losses, the Bears lost 20-23 to the Lions in overtime. Note the Bears final drive "let's try killing the clock with 7 minutes left" ultraconservative play selection which ended with a punt to the Lions with 2:21 in time remaining... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002.htm http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?g...p;override=true Also note: the Bears lost 4 more games in a row after that OT loss, making it 8 straight losses well on their way to a fabulous 4-12 record. Here was some press on the Jauron called a "coward" story... http://www.dailypress.com/topic/cs-021028b...37.story?page=2 "On the air: Jauron cleared up the controversy over remarks he made on his radio show last week. When a caller suggested Jauron was coaching like a "coward," host Hub Arkush jumped in and defended the coach. Jauron, in turn, said he had, "a lot better ways to spend my time."" http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-21...2;"Byline: Bob LeGere Daily Herald Sports Writer In light of the publicity generated last week by confrontational calls to him on "The Bears Insider" on WSCR 670-AM Monday evenings, coach Dick Jauron was asked if having to handle adversarial callers was difficult. "For me? No, it's really not," Jauron said. "I mean I'd rather not; you'd rather win all your games. Even then I'm sure you'll have some callers who don't agree with things you do. " And here's a football forum (circa 2006) talking about the episode and the Bills' possible hiring of Jauron... http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=139708 "I give Dick credit for going to that show each week and getting smashed by callers, while keeping his composure. and about the conservative approach I agree, I remember him saying something like "we just need to keep the game close, and hopefully will have a chance to win it with a field goal at the end." I understand about holding on to the ball, field position, ect......but I cant have my team play the whole game with a prevent offence and defense." I know it's small annedotal story, yet it's one that I had never heard about and explains so clearly why we're so frustrated. He DOES coach like he's afraid of his own shadow. It was as true in 2002 as it is in 2009! I found this story very interesting and if you didn't I'm sure that you'll let me have it. Hey, anybody know if Dick is going to have a call-in show this season? What really needs to happen is having his ass kicked out of the NFL once and for all. Thanks, Marv, for saddling us with this perennial loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Researching mind-numbing Jaroun quotes (redundancy, I know) for the other thread, I came across a long forgotten story which I felt was interesting enough to have it's own thread. The story bares a striking resemblance to what pains that the Bills fans are going through today (well those sane ones who have literally had it with Jauron-ball). A quick synopsis is that in Oct of 2002, then Chicago head coach Dick Jauron was called "a coward" by a caller during his a weekly radio talk show after a heartbreaking OT loss to the Lions. Dick responded that he had a lot better ways to spend his time. The setup... After going 13-3 the previous season and starting out 2002 with 2 straight wins then 3 straight losses, the Bears lost 20-23 to the Lions in overtime. Note the Bears final drive "let's try killing the clock with 7 minutes left" ultraconservative play selection which ended with a punt to the Lions with 2:21 in time remaining... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002.htm http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?g...p;override=true Also note: the Bears lost 4 more games in a row after that OT loss, making it 8 straight losses well on their way to a fabulous 4-12 record. Here was some press on the Jauron called a "coward" story... http://www.dailypress.com/topic/cs-021028b...37.story?page=2 "On the air: Jauron cleared up the controversy over remarks he made on his radio show last week. When a caller suggested Jauron was coaching like a "coward," host Hub Arkush jumped in and defended the coach. Jauron, in turn, said he had, "a lot better ways to spend my time."" http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-21...2;"Byline: Bob LeGere Daily Herald Sports Writer In light of the publicity generated last week by confrontational calls to him on "The Bears Insider" on WSCR 670-AM Monday evenings, coach Dick Jauron was asked if having to handle adversarial callers was difficult. "For me? No, it's really not," Jauron said. "I mean I'd rather not; you'd rather win all your games. Even then I'm sure you'll have some callers who don't agree with things you do. " And here's a football forum (circa 2006) talking about the episode and the Bills' possible hiring of Jauron... http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=139708 "I give Dick credit for going to that show each week and getting smashed by callers, while keeping his composure. and about the conservative approach I agree, I remember him saying something like "we just need to keep the game close, and hopefully will have a chance to win it with a field goal at the end." I understand about holding on to the ball, field position, ect......but I cant have my team play the whole game with a prevent offence and defense." I know it's small annedotal story, yet it's one that I had never heard about and explains so clearly why we're so frustrated. He DOES coach like he's afraid of his own shadow. It was as true in 2002 as it is in 2009! I found this story very interesting and if you didn't I'm sure that you'll let me have it. Hey, anybody know if Dick is going to have a call-in show this season? Thanks for stealing the time it took me to read this lame post that has no relevance to anything other than some fan who doesnt understand football calling into a radio station and calling him a coward... I used to think the Raiders had the worst fans in football, I am starting to think its now the Bills fans...I mean, we have just had a very good offseason capped by a fantastic draft (based on what we know at this exact moment about the drafted players) and have all the reason to be optimistic, but yet you have your dirty panties in a wad about a dumb phone call probably from some drunk fan 7 years ago... Let me ask you this, whats the one thing DJ has never had during any of the years he has been a HC? Give up...a Quarterback...pretty hard to win in this league or be "aggressive" when your QB is NOT capable of handling that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 If anything, I think Jauron is trying to move away from a conservative style of football he had with Steve Fairchild. When was the last time you saw the Bills run more then they throw? When was the last time you saw the Bills run constant play action instead of constant shotgun formations? The Bills offense is not conservative by any means and wasn't last year at all IMO. Fairchild was a bit conservative, but I think he was trying to establish a running game to set up the passing game.Whereas, Turk Schonert constantly wants to put the ball in the air no matter who is playing QB, and runs the ball as an after thought. If your talking defense, then yeah the tampax 2 is designed not to allow the big play and make the opponent make a mistake on the way to the goal line. I really hate the defense Jauron runs, with the smaller, quicker penetrating linemen and they always give up yardage on the ground to easily. I like Jauron as a person, but I can't see any team he is the head coach of going to the playoffs,ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I would like to think that DJ has learned from his mistakes. The talent on Bills is definitely playoff material this year. If the coaching is there, they are in the playoffs. Coaching cost us at least 3 games last year (Cleveland, Jets, San Francisco) and will probably cost us 1-2 again this year. The question is - is the team good enough to overcome the bad calls. I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I would like to think that DJ has learned from his mistakes. The talent on Bills is definitely playoff material this year. If the coaching is there, they are in the playoffs. Coaching cost us at least 3 games last year (Cleveland, Jets, San Francisco) and will probably cost us 1-2 again this year. The question is - is the team good enough to overcome the bad calls. I think so. "Coaching cost us games" is such an unbelievably myopic throw away line. If you're going to simplify the game to that degree, then don't even bother learning the players' names, ignore the fact that players make more than coaches, and keep convincing yourself that coaches, not players, make all the mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flomoe Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Thanks for stealing the time it took me to read this lame post that has no relevance to anything other than some fan who doesnt understand football calling into a radio station and calling him a coward... I used to think the Raiders had the worst fans in football, I am starting to think its now the Bills fans...I mean, we have just had a very good offseason capped by a fantastic draft (based on what we know at this exact moment about the drafted players) and have all the reason to be optimistic, but yet you have your dirty panties in a wad about a dumb phone call probably from some drunk fan 7 years ago... Let me ask you this, whats the one thing DJ has never had during any of the years he has been a HC? Give up...a Quarterback...pretty hard to win in this league or be "aggressive" when your QB is NOT capable of handling that... Sounds pretty right on to me. This year is going to be a put up or shut up year for both the Coach and QB, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 With this being do or die time for Dick, I couldn't imagine him playing ultra conservative unless the Bills are up BIG. Add the presence of TO, I'm sure he wouldn't let Dick and his conservatism slide. If he thought dealing with an upset caller was tough, wait until one of his more outspoken players voices his displeasure publicly. Dont know wht you think it is do or die time. That was supposedly last year. Now, it is 2 years in the future, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Yet, he still had a better record than Belichick pre-Brady. Actually, if one straight up compares the two coaches first 8 full seasons without special qualifiers and arbitrary exceptions... In Belichick's first 8 years, his team won 61 games. Jauron has won 56. Belichick had won 4 playoff games by then including a Super Bowl. Jauron has only been to the playoffs one time and his team got destroyed at home. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/JaurDi0.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 No matter what anyone says, I can't see DJ departing from his tried (but not true) style of keeping games close and hoping to win by a FG. It's how he got to be a NFL HC, and it won't change in 2009 regardless of what's at stake. Coaches like DJ don't last long in the NFL, given the penchant for not knowing when to take calculated risks. And when he does, it's usually a disaster of a call a la the away Jets game. He's not going to change his spots simply because he's unpopular with fans. It's upper management that votes whether he remains, and at this point they're more concerned with making a dollar than putting a winning team on the field. That and avoiding or disavowing any notion of the team moving. The Bills and DJ are a perfect fit for each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 In addition to playing all of their home games at the University of Illinois, only four players started all 16 games for the Bears that year: Marty Booker, Brian Urlacher, Mike Green, and Jerry Azumah. In addition to not being a very talented squad they were very hard hit with injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 In addition to playing all of their home games at the University of Illinois, only four players started all 16 games for the Bears that year: Marty Booker, Brian Urlacher, Mike Green, and Jerry Azumah. In addition to not being a very talented squad they were very hard hit with injuries. Kinda like the 2008 Baltimore Ravens who made the playoffs with a rookie QB and rookie HC? The facts remain the same: 8 NFL seasons as a HC. 1 playoff appearance. 1 playoff loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Kinda like the 2008 Baltimore Ravens who made the playoffs with a rookie QB and rookie HC? The facts remain the same: 8 NFL seasons as a HC. 1 playoff appearance. 1 playoff loss. Or how about the 1-15 Dolphins turning the corner in 1 year and winning the AFC East with a rookie head coach and a QB that was considered a washed-up noodle-armed punchline of a starting QB. It's no use arguing with guys who still are able to come up with excuses for Dick's putrid record as a head coach. I'm sure there were still a couple of diehard supporters of Rich Kotite and Wayne Fonts back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Kinda like the 2008 Baltimore Ravens who made the playoffs with a rookie QB and rookie HC? The facts remain the same: 8 NFL seasons as a HC. 1 playoff appearance. 1 playoff loss. I'm sure like me, you also don't have time for silly arguments. My last word on this is that last year's Baltimore defense continued the level of greatness that they've exhibited since 1999. Last year they were 3rd in scoring defense. When the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2000, their starting quarterback, Trent Dilfer, completed 12 passes and led the Ravens to 13 first downs. They still won the game 34-7. They had touchdowns from their defensive and special teams. And last year's Ravens had 11 players who started all 16 games, so while they were hit hard by the injury bug, it was nowhere near the misfortune that the 2002 Bears suffered through. In short, nothing personal but I think your comparison of the 2002 Bears with the 2008 Ravens has very little validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I'm sure like me, you also don't have time for silly arguments. My last word on this is that last year's Baltimore defense continued the level of greatness that they've exhibited since 1999. Last year they were 3rd in scoring defense. When the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2000, their starting quarterback, Trent Dilfer, completed 12 passes and led the Ravens to 13 first downs. They still won the game 34-7. They had touchdowns from their defensive and special teams. And last year's Ravens had 11 players who started all 16 games, so while they were hit hard by the injury bug, it was nowhere near the misfortune that the 2002 Bears suffered through. In short, nothing personal but I think your comparison of the 2002 Bears with the 2008 Ravens has very little validity. Still, 2002 was but 1 year. Would it make it more soothing if we threw that year out and didn't count it? Then, to be fair we'd have to throw out DJ's best year as well, the 2001 season. Now, with the remaining 6 seasons, DJ's best record is 7-9. His overall winning percentage (for those 6 years) actually drops from 43.8% to 40.6%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 You guys think DJ is too conservative? I think he's too risky. It seems like our big mistakes come when he takes risks (e.g., Losman third down pass during Jets game last year; Losman deep bomb attempt against Broncos in 2007 season opener to ice the game). I'd rather just have a good defense, run the ball a lot, not turn it over, and win games 20-17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 You guys think DJ is too conservative? I think he's too risky. It seems like our big mistakes come when he takes risks (e.g., Losman third down pass during Jets game last year; Losman deep bomb attempt against Broncos in 2007 season opener to ice the game). I'd rather just have a good defense, run the ball a lot, not turn it over, and win games 20-17. That was an outlier decision made by a man with absolutely no football instincts whatsoever. It's become clear to me that the opposing teams we play actually know what plays we're running before our team does. That is how conservative and predictable the Bills have been on offense and defense with Jauron at the helm. And when the time came to just run the damn ball up the gut, he decides to choose the worst time to be "Mr. Excitement". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 That was an outlier decision made by a man with absolutely no football instincts whatsoever. It's become clear to me that the opposing teams we play actually know what plays we're running before our team does. That is how conservative and predictable the Bills have been on offense and defense with Jauron at the helm. And when the time came to just run the damn ball up the gut, he decides to choose the worst time to be "Mr. Excitement". Why do so many people think the HC calls the offensive plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Coward, loser, constipated fool, so many words you can use to describe Dick. Unfortunatley, 'good' is not one of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossage Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Conservative works when you have a team that can run the ball and an agressive defense that gets the ball back quickly. Especially with our weather, there is no excuse for not having a team that can run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Or how about the 1-15 Dolphins turning the corner in 1 year and winning the AFC East with a rookie head coach and a QB that was considered a washed-up noodle-armed punchline of a starting QB. It's no use arguing with guys who still are able to come up with excuses for Dick's putrid record as a head coach. I'm sure there were still a couple of diehard supporters of Rich Kotite and Wayne Fonts back in the day. Lets bring Kotite in!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 In addition to playing all of their home games at the University of Illinois, only four players started all 16 games for the Bears that year: Marty Booker, Brian Urlacher, Mike Green, and Jerry Azumah. In addition to not being a very talented squad they were very hard hit with injuries. wherever Dick goes - his protectors are playing the injury card to defend him could it be that his training staff is incompetent? or maybe the injuyies are because his teams are "soft" due to country club training camps and indoor practices which do not prepare the players for the rigors of an NFL season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Actually, if one straight up compares the two coaches first 8 full seasons without special qualifiers and arbitrary exceptions... In Belichick's first 8 years, his team won 61 games. Jauron has won 56. Belichick had won 4 playoff games by then including a Super Bowl. Jauron has only been to the playoffs one time and his team got destroyed at home. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/JaurDi0.htm That's why he said pre-Brady. Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Or how about the 1-15 Dolphins turning the corner in 1 year and winning the AFC East with a rookie head coach and a QB that was considered a washed-up noodle-armed punchline of a starting QB. It's no use arguing with guys who still are able to come up with excuses for Dick's putrid record as a head coach. I'm sure there were still a couple of diehard supporters of Rich Kotite and Wayne Fonts back in the day. ... was WRONGLY considered as a noodle-armed .... Get Pennington out of the wind and the cold and he has plenty of strength in his arm to get the job done. The Dolphins greatly improved their personnel this year, had the number one draft choice and went from having no quarterback to having a very fine quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Why do so many people think the HC calls the offensive plays... Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I don't think the problem with Jauron is that he coaches too conservatively or hires conservative offensive assistants. I think he just doesn't make the best game day decisions and his teams don't seem prepared for what may happen in a game. That is part of the issue with having untested coordinators. In the end it comes down to not being willing to pay for top assistants and top head coaches. You can win with different styles and the great coaches also adapt. I mean Chuck Knox, considered the most conservative coach of his era, is the one who made the shotgun popular in the NFL starting in 1980 with the Bills. Dallas had used the shotgun for years in the 70's but it was considered a Dallas oddity until Knox proved how great it was with a 60% 3rd down conversion rate in 1980. After that everyone implemented the shotgun and it has stayed until this day. The Bills had great coaches at times, not just head coaches but assistant coaches. Under Marv Levy, we had Ted Marchibroda, once and future HC himself, as OC. He was the brains behind the Bills great offenses of the SB era. Still, I think or at least hope DJ and the assistants will have a good year with the infusion of talent and hopefully all the learning the coaches have had the last few years. I'd like to see the Bills have more of a rough, kick butt mentality, esp. against low life NE*. DJ should get over his politeness with Bellicheat*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 That's why he said pre-Brady. Get it? That's why I compared 8 years to 8 years. Get it? But, if we want to play short bus janitor games, we can take Jauron's best year and scale it by 33 years for 429 total victories and say Jauron is a better coach than Don Shula who only had 347 wins in 33 years in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 That's why I compared 8 years to 8 years. Get it? But, if we want to play short bus janitor games, we can take Jauron's best year and scale it by 33 years for 429 total victories and say Jauron is a better coach than Don Shula who only had 347 wins in 33 years in the NFL. I don't know how you can say anyone is riding the short bus when you lack serious reading comprehension. My original statement said that Jauron had a better record (win % wise) than Belichick PRE-BRADY. Since apparrntly, you struggle with the term pre, I'll explain further. Pre refers to before. So I was comparing Belichick's record before Brady. Brady entered the picture after the Pats* were 0-1 in 2001. So including that 0-1 (since it was before Brady played), his career record was 41-56 or a winning % of .422. He had exactly 1 playoff win in 2 games. Jauron's record is 57-76 or a winning % of .429. Jauron is 0-1 in the playoffs. So PRE-BRADY, DJ had a better winning %. So the point is that this guy, BB, that everyone thinks is this mastermind had a worse record than the guy you think is the worst coach ever. But I'm sure given BB's success PRE-BRADY, he would have been winning Super Bowls with the likes of Matthews, Miller, Losman, & McNown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Conservative works when you have a team that can run the ball and an aggressive defense that gets the ball back quickly. Especially with our weather, there is no excuse for not having a team that can run the ball. Talk to Turk Schonert, he wants to run a no huddle offense with two rookies and a back up FA center, still trying to find out who will play right tackle. More then likely Jauron will have a revolving platform to shuttle O linemen in and out of games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Why do so many people think the HC calls the offensive plays... This would be the million dollar question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Boys, this horse is still dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thanks for stealing the time it took me to read this lame post that has no relevance to anything other than some fan who doesnt understand football calling into a radio station and calling him a coward... I used to think the Raiders had the worst fans in football, I am starting to think its now the Bills fans...I mean, we have just had a very good offseason capped by a fantastic draft (based on what we know at this exact moment about the drafted players) and have all the reason to be optimistic, but yet you have your dirty panties in a wad about a dumb phone call probably from some drunk fan 7 years ago... Let me ask you this, whats the one thing DJ has never had during any of the years he has been a HC? Give up...a Quarterback...pretty hard to win in this league or be "aggressive" when your QB is NOT capable of handling that... While I agree there is little to be gained by trashing DJ I am not sure why you feel compelled to defend him. Let's all hope DJ turns it around this year but his record suggests he will not. As far as the "very good offseason" goes only time will tell. We essentially have an all new o-line. Clearly a high risk potentially high reward situation. If it works the Bills FO will be hailed as geniuses. If not, we add to years of frustration and start looking for a new coach and GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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