Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...n_john#20060317 Moulds era over in Buffalo: The $2.5 million average for Bills wide receiver Josh Reed pretty well spells the end of Eric Moulds' days in Buffalo. Reed's four-year, $10 million deal is good No. 2 receiver money. Moulds has a $10 million-plus cap number and refuses to take a pay cut. The Bills have been aggressive in the offseason and will need Moulds' cap room to free up money for the draft and other signings. It's going to be hard to see him leave this team after 10 years here, but a least the Evans era begins now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Clayton's a tool. If Reed's contract is backloaded, his cap load will be like $1-$1.5 million the first two years, with a (worst case) $1 million dead cap hit in year 3 if he's cut. That's 3rd-WR money at best under the new CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Reed's been most productive as the slot in Trips, so they should keep him there. Evans is going to be another JD Hill (That's a good thing, kids) out wide. So Davis will replace Moulds as the other wide-out. OK, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 Reed's been most productive as the slot in Trips, so they should keep him there.Evans is going to be another JD Hill (That's a good thing, kids) out wide. So Davis will replace Moulds as the other wide-out. OK, I guess. 634220[/snapback] That would be a pretty good WR core except I think Parrish should try playing slot instead of Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hes been saying this for 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hes been saying this for 2 months. 634233[/snapback] yes, but it seems like, now, it will finally happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Clayton is speculating, he has no facts here. He is saying Moulds will be released soon (the popular opinion everywhere- I think he is staying) based on the fact that the Bills signed Josh Reed to a "4 year, 10 million dollar contract, a good contract for a #2 receiver". The problem is, only Clayton is reporting that Reed signed a 4 year deal. The NFL Network, and two other things I heard and read earlier today (sorry can't find the article now) said that Reed signed a 1 year deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 WHY??? Tell me what we need the cap space for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambler Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 WHY??? Tell me what we need the cap space for! 634298[/snapback] Free agents next year. It's not that complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yhen why don't we cut the entire team and sign the practice squad to play for one season. The bills get #1 overall pick in 2007 andand go in the record books as having the worst team ever. then we get a QB with the first pick and sign every big money player available cause we have the room, and become the first team to ever go winless one year and win the Super bowl the next year. Its genius I tell you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Oh, and they also name TBD message board the official GM and President of the Buffalo Bills and are in charge of all personnel decissions. Cause we all know whats best for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 WHY??? Tell me what we need the cap space for! 634298[/snapback] Because if we unload this disruptive, rapidly declining malcontent now, we will gain huge dollars toward the 07 cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Clayton's a tool. If Reed's contract is backloaded, his cap load will be like $1-$1.5 million the first two years, with a (worst case) $1 million dead cap hit in year 3 if he's cut. That's 3rd-WR money at best under the new CBA. 634219[/snapback] Yeah, that quote basically reads as if the new CBA didn't exist. They have plenty of cap room to keep him. Probably not the best use of resources, but they could keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 That would be a pretty good WR core except I think Parrish should try playing slot instead of Reed. 634232[/snapback] The last time they moved Reed out of the slot was when Price was traded. That didn't work out too well, which is why Evans was drafted. If we cut Moulds and want to keep Reed where he's been most productive, we have to use Davis, Parrish, Aiken, Smith, etc. as the other WR. This player will see more snaps than Reed because teams that want to run the ball, as most northeastern teams do, use more 2 WR formations than 3 WR formations. This means you better block, also. Aiken may have the advantage there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Moulds likely to be cut very soon!, According to John Clayton. He's been saying this for 2 months. 634233[/snapback] Well then, he'll have no excuses if he doesn't have enough bandages ready after he gets cut. Will he? Maybe his friend Clayton can run to his aide and stop the bleeding when it does occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Again UNLESS there is a bonus that needs to be paid, or some high-priced player they're targeting, the Bills do NOT need to do anything with Moulds at this time. Sounds like Geek Boy is lobbying for Moulds' release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 This just in...John Clayton reports that sometime in the Future Eric Moulds will retire...a specific date has not yet been set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Free agents next year. It's not that complicated. 634301[/snapback] Yeah, right. NEXT year they will sign STARTING players in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yeah, right. NEXT year they will sign STARTING players in FA. 634556[/snapback] I doubt that because, I don't this we will be able to compete with teams like the Browns who have all the money in the world. Next year might be a completely different year. Who knows maybe we will have all the money in the world and sign almost every player who is in FA, like the Brown are doing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisiskeith12 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Clayton said last week that Moulds was going to get cut the next day. Good job John! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Because if we unload this disruptive, rapidly declining malcontent now, we will gain huge dollars toward the 07 cap. 634360[/snapback] Yeah, that "rapidly declining" guy put up 27 catches in the last three games of the season. I won't argue that he's not worth the cash but he's still a very good WR and unless the Bills are actually going to USE the cap space created by cutting him then I'm all in favor of keeping him. If this team goes into the season with Evans, Reed and Davis as our WRs I think you'll be kicking yourself for your anti-Moulds crusade. Evans getting double covered every down isn't going to be a pretty sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yeah, that "rapidly declining" guy put up 27 catches in the last three games of the season. I won't argue that he's not worth the cash but he's still a very good WR and unless the Bills are actually going to USE the cap space created by cutting him then I'm all in favor of keeping him. If this team goes into the season with Evans, Reed and Davis as our WRs I think you'll be kicking yourself for your anti-Moulds crusade. Evans getting double covered every down isn't going to be a pretty sight. 634656[/snapback] Nahh, it would just support the anti-Losman (or whomever the QB is) crusade.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yeah, that "rapidly declining" guy put up 27 catches in the last three games of the season. I won't argue that he's not worth the cash but he's still a very good WR and unless the Bills are actually going to USE the cap space created by cutting him then I'm all in favor of keeping him. If this team goes into the season with Evans, Reed and Davis as our WRs I think you'll be kicking yourself for your anti-Moulds crusade. Evans getting double covered every down isn't going to be a pretty sight. 634656[/snapback] Not if we draft Vernon Davis. Sign Wells and Neal and perhaps Runyan and cut Moulds. We easily have the money with the extra 5 mil and it won't break the bank for the future. We would have great depth at TE with Davis and Royal the blocker along with Everett. Davis and Everett will open up the middle of the field. Evans and Reed and Andre Davis or Parrish will have great speed at WR. The line will be Peters at LT, Wells LG, Preston, Neal RG and Runyan RT, with Villarial and Gandy providing solid depth, or maybe Wells plays center with Neal and Villarial at guards. Draft a DT in round two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I just hope Clayton doesn't sh-- all over himself on air if we keep Moulds. He was pissed (with TD) the last time he made an ass out of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 John Clayton is the absolute worst "insider" out there. He's just brow-beating the Bills because his prediction still hasn't come true. He saw the Reed deal and figured it was time to bang the same stupid "Moulds will be released" drum. The Bills would be absolutely foolish to terminate ties with Eric without getting any compensation for him. There are plenty of teams that want Moulds and all Buffalo has to do is wait for someone who's willing to give fair compensation or he'll just keep Moulds for the 2006 season. The Bills will be well under the cap and dumping Eric would blow a huge hole in our offense. A hole that won't be filled in 2006. Marv's a smart man and he knows releasing Eric is a stupid idea. I can't wait to see Clayton's whiney face when he has to follow up on this one. I think it's 50-50 on whether Eric stays or the Bills deal him for a second round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 This just in...John Clayton reports that sometime in the Future Eric Moulds will retire...a specific date has not yet been set. 634534[/snapback] Nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Clayton is speculating, he has no facts here. He is saying Moulds will be released soon (the popular opinion everywhere- I think he is staying) based on the fact that the Bills signed Josh Reed to a "4 year, 10 million dollar contract, a good contract for a #2 receiver". The problem is, only Clayton is reporting that Reed signed a 4 year deal. The NFL Network, and two other things I heard and read earlier today (sorry can't find the article now) said that Reed signed a 1 year deal... 634275[/snapback] FWIW (from Allen Wilson of 'The Buffalo News'): "According to NFL sources, Reed got a four-year, $10 million contract that includes a $2 million signing bonus. " http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060...?tbd1064548.asp Could the "NFL sources" be Clayton? Funny, but I can't seem to find the specific terms listed anywhere else, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 19, 2006 Author Share Posted March 19, 2006 FWIW (from Allen Wilson of 'The Buffalo News'): "According to NFL sources, Reed got a four-year, $10 million contract that includes a $2 million signing bonus. " http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060...?tbd1064548.asp Could the "NFL sources" be Clayton? Funny, but I can't seem to find the specific terms listed anywhere else, either. 634925[/snapback] Interesting. So, Clayton is the one behind the "Nfl sources", or in this case "source". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Interesting. So, Clayton is the one behind the "Nfl sources", or in this case "source". 634951[/snapback] Or, Clayton and Wilson talked to the same person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Yhen why don't we cut the entire team and sign the practice squad to play for one season. The bills get #1 overall pick in 2007 andand go in the record books as having the worst team ever. then we get a QB with the first pick and sign every big money player available cause we have the room, and become the first team to ever go winless one year and win the Super bowl the next year. Its genius I tell you 634305[/snapback] Did you just see THE PRODUCERS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofny777 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I don't think Moulds will make half of what he's scheduled to get if they cut him late in off-season. So I think Bills want to cut him only if its necessary and let other teams waste money first so they can possibly resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofny777 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think it's 50-50 on whether Eric stays or the Bills deal him for a second round pick. 634804[/snapback] Since it has been reported forever that we are going to release him I'd be surprised if we got a 3rd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Levy Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Disregarding what Clayton says; cutting MOULDS is a stupid move by the Bills. They still need a playmaking receiver. Andre Davis, is like a 4th liner in hockey terms. PAY the man what he's deserved on his contract ya bunch of cheapies!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 20, 2006 Author Share Posted March 20, 2006 Disregarding what Clayton says; cutting MOULDS is a stupid move by the Bills. They still need a playmaking receiver. Andre Davis, is like a 4th liner in hockey terms. PAY the man what he's deserved on his contract ya bunch of cheapies!! 635307[/snapback] It won't matter. The Bills wouldn't have enough cap room to sign players if we keep Moulds around. He's asking for around $7 million well according to http://www.billsdaily.com/news/index.shtml#031906 we have around $11 million to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nero47 Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 It won't matter. The Bills wouldn't have enough cap room to sign players if we keep Moulds around. He's asking for around $10 million well according to http://www.billsdaily.com/news/index.shtml#031906 we have around $11 million to spend. 635688[/snapback] Moulds contract and cap number is already in place. Bills are trying to reduce it for more cap room. The amount listed at Bills Daily already accounts for his current contract. He's not asking for $10.mil. Prorated bonus is $3mil and current contract calls for $7mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Levy Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 So there is room $$$ for him, correct? If so, I say its not wise to cut him. He is still a big threat receiver!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 So there is room $$$ for him, correct? If so, I say its not wise to cut him. He is still a big threat receiver!!! 636647[/snapback] Very true. It is hard to find receivers who have 4 touchdowns in 15 football games, let alone a whopping 10.1 ypc! Now, if you can find one who quits on his football team against their biggest rival, he is truly a keeper. The Bills should not only keep him, they should give him a raise and extend his contract so we can have him long term. Eric Moulds has a HUGE long term interest in our franchise, and is just what the Buffalo Bills Football Team needs. I don't see what the hesitation is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Very true. It is hard to find receivers who have 4 touchdowns in 15 football games, let alone a whopping 10.1 ypc! Now, if you can find one who quits on his football team against their biggest rival, he is truly a keeper. The Bills should not only keep him, they should give him a raise and extend his contract so we can have him long term. Eric Moulds has a HUGE long term interest in our franchise, and is just what the Buffalo Bills Football Team needs. I don't see what the hesitation is all about. 636651[/snapback] Just a hunch here, Bill, but I'm guessing you don't like Moulds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Send Moulds packing, but do it this way: Tell him he isn't going anywhere unless he can go find a trade partner. He'll obviously have to agree with the other team to rework his contract upon being traded, which is STANDARD practice. I really think the Bills would end up with a first-day pick in the end; Moulds would end up on a team he wants to play for, and everyone wins inthe end. Of course, this would mean Evans would be the #1, which is a risk, but the team would have a little more dough to spend in the end on opening holes for Willis and protecting JP/Holcomb/Nall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 I'm with Bill. It's not that I don't like Moulds, but his production on the field is not worth a fraction of what he's getting paid this year. I'd like to see him back -- but not with an almost $11 M cap hit, which is more than the hit that the Cowboys are taking on TO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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