If New England wins (Next Week), they officially win the East.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

New England a shi hole😝?  Ya…your sources are both truly representative of the actual fanbase and I’m sure NE dms and whatnot are so much different that the rest of the league

They have wegmans up here …Market Basket just as good and less $$

Wegmans has a much better selection and quality than market basket 

 

Market basket is good it's not Wegmans!

[Ghost_002!]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wegmans has a much better selection and quality than market basket 

 

Market basket is good it's not Wegmans!

Their snickerdoodle cookies are second to none!

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's plausible if we beat them we could win out and take the division.  If the Ravens wake up and the Dolphins who've looked good recently pull off the upset.  Pats will be heavily favored in both games though.  I'm not sure who holds the tiebreaker if they both finish 13-4 who hold the tiebreaker. 

If the Pats lose to either the Jets or Phins and we win out we won the division 

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

If the Pats lose to either the Jets or Phins and we win out we won the division 

No because they'd still have the advantage in common games if we both finished 13-4 and they'd win the tiebreaker.  If we beat them next week we'd need to run the table and they'd have to lose two of their last three games (Ravens, Fish, Jets) to win the division.  I think.  LOL.  

[Success]

The Patriots are fraudulent.

 

That doesn't mean they're not a good team, or a greatly improved team.  But in NO WAY are they the best team in the AFC.  I'd put 4-5 teams ahead of them, including us.

 

That schedule of theirs.  It's somethin'.

 

[Instincts]

5 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

If the Pats lose to either the Jets or Phins and we win out we won the division 

Unless they rest their starters they likely aren't loosing those games, especially Mike Vrabel coached team.  They don't take any team for granted, Vrabel won't allow it.  

2 hours ago, Success said:

The Patriots are fraudulent.

 

That doesn't mean they're not a good team, or a greatly improved team.  But in NO WAY are they the best team in the AFC.  I'd put 4-5 teams ahead of them, including us.

 

That schedule of theirs.  It's somethin'.

 

How are they?  Buffalo slipped vs Atlanta and Miami.  New England simply beats the teams they were supposed to including BUFFALO and TAMPA who are two contenders.  And this is without a legitimate star receiver, and in all three phases they've been winning - elite special teams (marcus jones is an elite return man, defense and offense as well as the kicking game).  What more can you ask? All the other good teams in the league seem to slip up here and there with the exception of Denver who doesn't have New England's offense.  

[Ghost_002!]

2 hours ago, Instincts said:

 

How are they?  Buffalo slipped vs Atlanta and Miami.  New England simply beats the teams they were supposed to including BUFFALO and TAMPA who are two contenders.  And this is without a legitimate star receiver, and in all three phases they've been winning - elite special teams (marcus jones is an elite return man, defense and offense as well as the kicking game).  What more can you ask? All the other good teams in the league seem to slip up here and there with the exception of Denver who doesn't have New England's offense.  

 

 

This.

 

 

All anyone ever talks about is their schedule. They weren't good last year so like everyone in the NFL..you get the schedule based on your record.

 

No one expected them to win 10 plus games. It wasn't like they were a playoff team or on the verge to be a playoff team last year and the NFL gifted them their schedule..

 

Every year some teams get a easy schedule. 

[boyst]

4 hours ago, Instincts said:

Unless they rest their starters they likely aren't loosing those games, especially Mike Vrabel coached team.  They don't take any team for granted, Vrabel won't allow it.  

How are they?  Buffalo slipped vs Atlanta and Miami.  New England simply beats the teams they were supposed to including BUFFALO and TAMPA who are two contenders.  And this is without a legitimate star receiver, and in all three phases they've been winning - elite special teams (marcus jones is an elite return man, defense and offense as well as the kicking game).  What more can you ask? All the other good teams in the league seem to slip up here and there with the exception of Denver who doesn't have New England's offense.  

Something that is missed in all of this is that the difference in schedule is drastic. The Bills play the eagles, the chiefs, the texans. The Bills playing in a much higher level and having much less opportunity for mistakes is a big difference than the Patriots being able to play the giants, the raiders, and the titans

 

And the Patriots did lose to the Raiders. And you can say that doesn't matter because that was the first game of the season or way up there beginning. But the bills showed incredible poise against the ravens. And that was when the Ravens were a lot better team than they are today.

[thenorthremembers]

AFC East Champion merch is overrated anyways.  Unless the AFC East Championship gets you the 1 seed, id rather keep the 5 and play Pittsburgh in the 1st round.  

[TH3]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wegmans has a much better selection and quality than market basket 

 

Market basket is good it's not Wegmans!

I mean..how much selection do you need? It’s freaking groceries

[TBBills Fan]

14 hours ago, stevewin said:

You need to teach him a hard lesson

He should beat his ass

[Ghost_002!]

37 minutes ago, boyst said:

Something that is missed in all of this is that the difference in schedule is drastic. The Bills play the eagles, the chiefs, the texans. The Bills playing in a much higher level and having much less opportunity for mistakes is a big difference than the Patriots being able to play the giants, the raiders, and the titans

 

And the Patriots did lose to the Raiders. And you can say that doesn't matter because that was the first game of the season or way up there beginning. But the bills showed incredible poise against the ravens. And that was when the Ravens were a lot better team than they are today.

 

 

Then the Bills turned around and lost to the Fins, Falcons and the Jets. So it balances out.

Edited 4 hours ago by Ghost_002!

[galept]

14 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Pats would hold the tiebreaker unless they lose to Miami or the jets. (Division record)

 

Gets weird after that. Record against common opponents I think?

 

We've come a long way down from hoping for the one seed. Wide open division, we all knew that before the season started, and we've almost blown it.

[boyst]

22 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Then the Bills turned out and lost to the Fins, Falcons and the jets. So it balances out.

it doesn't, though. & the bills didn't lose to the Jets. lol

 

the Bills net losses based on talent and effort are far below the losses of the Patriots. the Bills losing to the Fins and Falcons were very important. both those opponents played their best games of the season at that moment. the patriots have shown up and outlasted in many games they should have lost. the first year effect of Vrabel has been a big part of that.

 

but now that we are in december the Bills play their best ball and Allen goes Alien. will that matter against the patriots? no, regardless of any outcome. the Bills are not winning the division.

[Orlando Buffalo]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

No because they'd still have the advantage in common games if we both finished 13-4 and they'd win the tiebreaker.  If we beat them next week we'd need to run the table and they'd have to lose two of their last three games (Ravens, Fish, Jets) to win the division.  I think.  LOL.  

According to ESPN playoff machine we win based on conference games if they lose to us and then another AFCE team. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

17 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Mike Vrabel screwed up their season two years ago with a win and the Dolphins can repay the favor and beat new england and opening the door to the east for the bills.

 

plus the dolphins are a few wins away from making a really interesting wild card run here.  Stranger things have happened

Dolphins are playing some good football lately and it’s a division game. Very possible. They will be motivated for sure.

[Matt_In_NH]

8 of new englands wins are vs teams ranked 11 or worse in their conference.  You can only play the teams on your schedule but they have not really been tested much.  Next two weeks and then the playoffs will unmask who they really are 

[Psautcsk]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

AFC East Champion merch is overrated anyways.  Unless the AFC East Championship gets you the 1 seed, id rather keep the 5 and play Pittsburgh in the 1st round.  

I remember buying a 2020 AFC East championship hat back then because it was new to us. I wore it once. I look at it now and question why I bought it.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 hours ago, Instincts said:

Unless they rest their starters they likely aren't loosing those games, especially Mike Vrabel coached team.  They don't take any team for granted, Vrabel won't allow it.  

How are they?  Buffalo slipped vs Atlanta and Miami.  New England simply beats the teams they were supposed to including BUFFALO and TAMPA who are two contenders.  And this is without a legitimate star receiver, and in all three phases they've been winning - elite special teams (marcus jones is an elite return man, defense and offense as well as the kicking game).  What more can you ask? All the other good teams in the league seem to slip up here and there with the exception of Denver who doesn't have New England's offense.  

I don’t think the version of Tampa the bills or pats saw is any good to be fair.  Hard to disagree with the rest you can really only play who is on the schedule but as far as a future projection goes I really have no idea how they will fare against a good team.  
 

it could be a colts type thing where everyone kinda murmured ‘I don’t think they’re that good’ even at 7-1 and those people seem like they’re on their way to being proven right.  It could be they go out and keep doing the same things against good teams.  No idea. 
 

what I don’t think is controversial is they are a very fundamentally sound team without a ton of talent…a high floor medium ceiling type situation.  I think a team like that could potentially have a lot of success against bad/ok teams but not have that extra gear to compete with really good ones 

 

if they went out and just dominated the bills last time maybe I’d feel differently but that was a very odd game to say the least lol 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[DapperCam]

It’s a weird season where the first wild card team will probably have the easiest matchup (8-9 or 9-8 division winner, probably Steelers).

 

The 2nd seed will have to play the Chargers, Jaguars, Texans, Colts, or Bills most likely.