Will Josh Allen want to stick around for a rebuild?

[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Most of this season and especially after last night, people have been calling for the firing of Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane. 

 

It's pretty clear that the coaching and the systems aren't working anymore. And that the roster is in terrible shape with no easy fixes. Both have had a number of fireable offenses.

 

While I understand fans frustration and wanting a new regime, the question I keep coming back to is would Josh want to stick around for that?

 

He'll be 30 years old next season. We've already wasted much of his prime. A new Coach and/or a new GM will surely want to rebuild the roster, the staff, and the systems in place in their image.

 

This is likely to take time and the odds that they'll come in and get back to where they were immediately while rebuilding is unlikely. It will probably take a couple off seasons. And there's no guarantee whomever we bring in will actually improve things. 

 

My concern is that at Josh's age and with the clock ticking on his prime that he would rather ask for a Trade to a team that has a roster in place and a good coach and GM in place than waste time and roll the dice on a rebuild under unknowns. 

 

There's no easy answer as it's pretty clear that Sean isn't the answer and Brandon has mismanaged the cap and roster. So a lot of things are going to have to be done after this season. But I worry Josh won't want to stick around for a total blow up.

 

19 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Rebuilds take 5 minutes these days. It’s not some 5 year process

 

Exactly 

 

Anybody who thinks he's going to run off the California just because that's where he's from 

 

Clearly hasn't understood the DNA which Josh is built from... First of all there's plenty of other 10-year starting quarterbacks who didn't run away to another franchise 

 

Brady and Manning did it at the end of their careers not at their peak 

 

Philip Rivers did it his last year 

 

Nothing that Josh has ever said since he was a 20 year old kid at Wyoming would ever show that he is going to run away because of adversity 

 

That's why he was supposed to be special.. because he had the mindset to overcome adversity 

 

99% of NFL players don't play in their hometown lol Matt Stafford stuck it out 11 years in Detroit and only made the playoffs two or three times 

 

Detroit failed Matt Stafford a Hall of Fame quarterback much worse than Buffalo has done to Josh... We just haven't given him a healthy top five roster 

 

We have given him rosters consistently enough to win the AFC East 4-5 straight times and beat the Chiefs five straight in the regular season 

 

He's either been a liar his whole life and he doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who built his entire career in Buffalo 

 

Or he's serious and he understands there are ebbs and flows to football seasons teams and careers 

 

This next half of Josh's career is super important to keeping him happy and satisfied

 

I do not believe Josh is just going to force himself away to California to run away from adversity... It's not the Josh Allen we've grown to love

Edited 59 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, dcinmuncie said:

Wrong

 

 The process takes 9 years, not 5

The Process takes the infinity of time………….

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

22 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Rebuilds take 5 minutes these days. It’s not some 5 year process

 

6 minutes ago, dcinmuncie said:

Wrong

 

 The process takes 9 years, not 5

 

But that's in dog years!

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Exactly 

 

Anybody who thinks he's going to run off the California just because that's where he's from 

 

Clearly hasn't understood the DNA which Josh is built from... First of all there's plenty of other 10-year starting quarterbacks who didn't run away to another franchise 

 

Brady and Manning did it at the end of their careers not at their peak 

 

Philip Rivers did it his last year 

 

Nothing that Josh has ever said since he was a 20 year old kid at Wyoming would ever show that he is going to run away because of adversity 

 

That's why he was supposed to be special.. because he had the mindset to overcome adversity 

 

99% of NFL players don't play in their hometown lol Matt Stafford stuck it out 11 years in Detroit and only made the playoffs two or three times 

 

Detroit failed Matt Stafford a Hall of Fame quarterback much worse than Buffalo has done to Josh... We just haven't given him a healthy top five roster 

 

We have given him rosters consistently enough to win the AFC East 4-5 straight times and beat the Chiefs five straight in the regular season 

 

He's either been a liar his whole life and he doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who built his entire career in Buffalo 

 

Or he's serious and he understands there are ebbs and flows to football seasons teams and careers 

 

This next half of Josh's career is super important to keeping him happy and satisfied

 

I do not believe Josh is just going to force himself away to California to run away from adversity... It's not the Josh Allen we've grown to love

of note… half those guys were a case of the team moving on from them because you can’t build a future with 40 year olds 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Exactly 

 

Anybody who thinks he's going to run off the California just because that's where he's from 

 

Clearly hasn't understood the DNA which Josh is built from... First of all there's plenty of other 10-year starting quarterbacks who didn't run away to another franchise 

 

Brady and Manning did it at the end of their careers not at their peak 

 

Philip Rivers did it his last year 

 

Nothing that Josh has ever said since he was a 20 year old kid at Wyoming would ever show that he is going to run away because of adversity 

 

That's why he was supposed to be special.. because he had the mindset to overcome adversity 

 

99% of NFL players don't play in their hometown lol Matt Stafford stuck it out 11 years in Detroit and only made the playoffs two or three times 

 

Detroit failed Matt Stafford a Hall of Fame quarterback much worse than Buffalo has done to Josh... We just haven't given him a healthy top five roster 

 

We have given him rosters consistently enough to win the AFC East 4-5 straight times and beat the Chiefs five straight in the regular season 

 

He's either been a liar his whole life and he doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who built his entire career in Buffalo 

 

Or he's serious and he understands there are ebbs and flows to football seasons teams and careers 

 

This next half of Josh's career is super important to keeping him happy and satisfied

 

I do not believe Josh is just going to force himself away to California to run away from adversity... It's not the Josh Allen we've grown to love

Terrible idea to bring up Stafford to support your argument

[Aussie Joe]

28 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

While I understand fans frustration and wanting a new regime, the question I keep coming back to is would Josh want to stick around for that?

 

Have you also thought he might not want to stay around for more of the same either 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Terrible idea to bring up Stafford to support your argument

No it's not lol

 

Matt Stafford was absolutely surrounded by a much worse franchise 

 

He didn't win One NFC North title with Detroit...

 

So they finally bit the bullet and got a king's Ransom including another pro bowl quarterback back .. but guess what still probably not enough... And that trade gave Detroit enough pieces to be good

 

Josh Allen has been a part of a team that has consistently won the AFC East and beaten top teams around the NFL 

 

The actual circumstances are nowhere near the same... Matt Stafford's win percentage with the Lions was .452

 

Josh is almost .700

 

Matt Stafford had  much much much much worse situations

Edited 48 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

No it's not lol

 

Matt Stafford was absolutely surrounded by a much worse franchise 

 

He didn't win One NFC North title with Detroit...

 

So they finally bit the bullet and got a king's Ransom including another pro bowl quarterback back .. but guess what still probably not enough... And that trade gave Detroit enough pieces to be good

 

Josh Allen has been a part of a team that has consistently won the AFC East and beaten top teams around the NFL 

 

The actual circumstances are nowhere near the same... Matt Stafford's win percentage with the Lions was .452

 

Josh is almost .700

 

Matt Stafford had  much much much much worse situations

We've never had a legitimate AFCE rival lol

 

The MINUTE one appears we lose the division

 

Allen and Stafford is the perfect parallel 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We've never had a legitimate AFCE rival lol

 

The MINUTE one appears we lose the division

 

Allen and Stafford is the perfect parallel 

No they are not 

 

It's the NFL.. it's known for parity where the worst go to the first all the time 

 

You can't poo poo on the bills winning the AFC East the last x amount of years 

 

Let alone losing by a field goal outmanned to the Chiefs who have been to three straight Super bowls 

 

Matt Stafford's lions teams wouldn't even be in those situations.. Stafford was 0-3 in the playoffs losing by an average of over two touchdowns 

 

The bills have lost by a field goal to the three-time straight AFC champions who also want a Super bowl... Losing by three and losing by 15 and never winning a playoff game are completely different circumstances 

 

I 100% don't agree

 

Allen's parallel is closer to Peyton Manning who didn't win a Super bowl till he was 30 and couldn't get by Brady

Edited 38 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[transient]

It depends on whether or not Pegula decides that Kevyn Adams has done such a great job with the Sabres that he deserves a crack at the Bills as well…

[US Egg]

Bet Josh wanted a dome. 

[The Jokeman]

20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

There will be no “rebuild”

 

If they have to, they’ll do what Philly does or what the Saints did with Brees… push a ton of money into future years, knowing that once Allen retires, we absolutely suck for a year where we eat dead cap. 

Nothing wrong with bottoming out when lose franchise QB. Might lead to getting another one like Colts did with Peyton to Luck.

[strive_for_five_guy]

This post highlights the panic that folks are having after every loss this season.  Josh will turn 30 this offseason, and every year that goes by where we don’t get it done, it’s one less chance we’ll have for this to ever happen with Josh.  Josh’s best years are now but at some point will be in the rear view, if not already.  We’re literally having a midlife crisis as a fanbase, I feel like.

[JoshAllin]

Rebuilding while Josh's new stadium is going up would be a financial disaster.

[The Jokeman]

21 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

But that's in dog years!

No if it was dog years it take far longer just ask Browns fans. 

[Since1981]

Panic is real. I love Josh as a player and person. This feels different this year.  Saddens me. 

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

This post highlights the panic that folks are having after every loss this season.  Josh will turn 30 this offseason, and every year that goes by where we don’t get it done, it’s one less chance we’ll have for this to ever happen with Josh.  Josh’s best years are now but at some point will be in the rear view, if not already.  We’re literally having a midlife crisis as a fanbase, I feel like.

And Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl in his worst year and Elway was far from the best QB in the league when he won his two. 

[KHAN]

The whole "We're wasting Josh" thing is a bit over dramatic. they have won 5 straight divisions and at least 1 playoff game every year since 2020. 

 

They've got issues, and I'm all ears for Beane and McD being out of rope soon if they don't get out of this up and down cycle their in right now.

 

But lets not pretend the last 8 years have been a total loss winning on average 12 games for the last 5 years.

Edited 32 minutes ago by KHAN

[SoonerBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Exactly 

 

Anybody who thinks he's going to run off the California just because that's where he's from 

 

Clearly hasn't understood the DNA which Josh is built from... First of all there's plenty of other 10-year starting quarterbacks who didn't run away to another franchise 

 

Brady and Manning did it at the end of their careers not at their peak 

 

Philip Rivers did it his last year 

 

Nothing that Josh has ever said since he was a 20 year old kid at Wyoming would ever show that he is going to run away because of adversity 

 

That's why he was supposed to be special.. because he had the mindset to overcome adversity 

 

99% of NFL players don't play in their hometown lol Matt Stafford stuck it out 11 years in Detroit and only made the playoffs two or three times 

 

Detroit failed Matt Stafford a Hall of Fame quarterback much worse than Buffalo has done to Josh... We just haven't given him a healthy top five roster 

 

We have given him rosters consistently enough to win the AFC East 4-5 straight times and beat the Chiefs five straight in the regular season 

 

He's either been a liar his whole life and he doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who built his entire career in Buffalo 

 

Or he's serious and he understands there are ebbs and flows to football seasons teams and careers 

 

This next half of Josh's career is super important to keeping him happy and satisfied

 

I do not believe Josh is just going to force himself away to California to run away from adversity... It's not the Josh Allen we've grown to love

The Josh we hear this year hasnt, been the Josh we know and love.  Sorry but  people,and their priorities change.  To think anything else is whistling through the graveyard and wishful thinking.

 

Josh strikes me from day 1,a guy who was gonna play 10 years, 13 most. Then retire back in California 

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Panic is real. I love Josh as a player and person. This feels different this year.  Saddens me. 

It's different cuz the injuries to surrounding talent happening sooner and never had KC and Baltimore (arguably two other best AFC) have such poor records. I ain't calling this season lost til we're eliminated.