11/20/2025 Bills @ Texans post game thread

[Luka]

11 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

how about tim settle? Dude is a beast for them, but was a total zero while here. What gives? 

 

When you have excellent defensive ends, it really frees up the interior. Scheme is also a big factor. If you watch our defense, there is essentially not a play call for the line. They rush 4 straight. The Texans were stunting, using safety blitzes, spying with one of the best MLBs in the league. The Tampa 2 is a crap defense that relies on individual guys making huge plays. We do not have the guys to make those plays. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The only times this defense has looked good was the panthers game and the second half of last night. Not coincidentally when Shaq Thompson was in for Bernard. Going forward this can be the difference in how our season ends. I trust the offense to get it fixed, the Defense being okay is the difference….Last night sucks. It suck’s to see a guy get hurt. I’m not a POS I never wanna see a guy get hurt. The turning point of this entire season is going to be Thompson and Milano being the LBs. That is the single most impactful event of the year for this team. It’s hard to see right now but that was a blessing in disguise 

[st pete gogolak]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The only times this defense has looked good was the panthers game and the second half of last night. Not coincidentally when Shaq Thompson was in for Bernard. Going forward this can be the difference in how our season ends. I trust the offense to get it fixed, the Defense being okay is the difference….Last night sucks. It suck’s to see a guy get hurt. I’m not a POS I never wanna see a guy get hurt. The turning point of this entire season is going to be Thompson and Milano being the LBs. That is the single most impactful event of the year for this team. It’s hard to see right now but that was a blessing in disguise 

How about running a 4-3 with Milano, Thompson and Williams as the backers?  At least with respect to run-heavy teams.  Bonus: takes Taron Johnson off the field.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I know its easier said than done and reasons why blah blah 

 

but...

 

Maybe overpaying for a top WR may be worth it

[Luka]

9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The only times this defense has looked good was the panthers game and the second half of last night. Not coincidentally when Shaq Thompson was in for Bernard. Going forward this can be the difference in how our season ends. I trust the offense to get it fixed, the Defense being okay is the difference….Last night sucks. It suck’s to see a guy get hurt. I’m not a POS I never wanna see a guy get hurt. The turning point of this entire season is going to be Thompson and Milano being the LBs. That is the single most impactful event of the year for this team. It’s hard to see right now but that was a blessing in disguise 

 

They also had Dorian out there more in the second half. The coaching staff needs to understand that they cannot stop the run unless they play a traditional 4-3 with the personnel currently available. And for God's sake, you are playing Davis Mills. No need to play two high safeties. It gives a game manager like Mills easy underneath throws and allows their offense to seemingly run at will. The focus should've been shutting down the run and forcing Mills to make throws under duress. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

Brady again got pass happy in the second and third quarters and abandoned the run game.  Cook averaged 6.8 yards per carry and only touched the ball 17 times.  When your pass protection isn't working, implement the run game and force the Texans into the box.

 

Not effective play calling

Except on the one drive where the Bills started to move the ball and had a first down at the Texans 30 and they called FOUR straight runs to Cook!  They turned over the ball on downs.  Maybe someone told Brady to run the ball because at that point in the game with the Texans a bit on the back heel a diversified attack was called for. This was the drive were as Allen came to the bench he yelled out in frustration "what are we doing"?

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

I think his hand was hurt. But he could've obviously missed the open guy here. 

Allen is also about to be lit up by 2 defenders with FREE runs at the QB from BOTH sides.  They are 4 & 3 yards away from Allen in the picture.  Assuming that with a head start they can run 40 yards in less then 5 seconds Allen has less then half a second to take that shot.  

[tigerthelion]

48 minutes ago, Boo Radley Boston said:

Bills only have 4 losses.

 

Houston is going to do damage if they reach the post season and Stroud is back 100%.

 

The only 2 games left that are questionable wins are NE and Philly. Assuming the Bills lost 1 of those games that leaves 12 - 5 and the post season.

How can you say that with a straight face?  The Bills didn't just lose to Miami, they got absolutely humiliated by them.  How can you think any game is a sure win for Buffalo?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

16 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

How about running a 4-3 with Milano, Thompson and Williams as the backers?  At least with respect to run-heavy teams.  Bonus: takes Taron Johnson off the field.

I have been asking for this exact thought for months. Idk if you’re trolling me by saying is back to me or if you didn’t realize that guy lol but either way yes. And yes to Tarron Johnson x50

[TBBills Fan]

We can't get out of our own way

 

3 turnovers 

Missed extra point

Bad play calling 

 

The only thread of hope I hang on to is we should have been blown out but we're in it until the end.  And that's sad I only have that to say as a positive 

[Casey D]

Just now, TBBills Fan said:

We can't get out of our own way

 

3 turnovers 

Missed extra point

Bad play calling 

 

The only thread of hope I hang on to is we should have been blown out but we're in it until the end.  And that's sad I only have that to say as a positive 

And 8 sacks and a sh*tload of penalties.  Should have lost by 20.  Yet 1st and 10 at Houston 20 with 20 seconds to play and a TD wins.  Really amazing they got that close, as -3 on turnovers alone and teams win just 4.3% of time.

[billsfan714]

Anybody know how far the FG attempt we turned down and went for on 4th down, how long of a FG would that have been?

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, Casey D said:

And 8 sacks and a sh*tload of penalties.  Should have lost by 20.  Yet 1st and 10 at Houston 20 with 20 seconds to play and a TD wins.  Really amazing they got that close, as -3 on turnovers alone and teams win just 4.3% of time.

Yeah I should have mentioned the sacks and penalties. 

 

Lots of ifs...no missed extra point it goes to OT

 

If Dawkins doesn't jump on 4th and 1

 

If the line decided to block..

 

If Josh threw to knox AND Davis didn't OPI....

 

We are beating ourselves in these losses

[Stretch]

1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:

Anybody know how far the FG attempt we turned down and went for on 4th down, how long of a FG would that have been?

It would have been a 40 yarder

[KOKBILLS]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

how about tim settle? Dude is a beast for them, but was a total zero while here. What gives? 

 

A few weeks ago I posted Settle and Poona Ford's stats since they left Buffalo... If you're a Bills fan with a weak stomach I would advise not to look... It's damning... And the Bills could have kept both for next to nothing. On top of it, as of a couple weeks ago, I think they had missed a combined 2 games since they left...

[Nitro]

56 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Why wait? There’s an opportunity to win this year. Stop wasting years stop waiting for other fantasy seasons. You go now. You gotta stop writing off years 

You did not address my point.  I am reluctant to call for a coach to be fired but he now has a body of work and Brady is not putting the best possible offense on the field with the talent they have.

[st pete gogolak]

14 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I have been asking for this exact thought for months. Idk if you’re trolling me by saying is back to me or if you didn’t realize that guy lol but either way yes. And yes to Tarron Johnson x50

No trolling at all. The one play in mind writing this was Johnson being dragged four yards on 4th and 1 when he hit the guy behind the line of scrimmage.

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean at the end of the day Tom Brady would chew out players and so would Peyton Manning 

 

You follow your leader which is your quarterback 

 

I'm not blaming Josh... We've all seen this team doesn't rise every week compared to what it's sometimes does against a big time opponent 

 

Sean McDermott has been the same guy for 9 years.. he is consistent 

 

Josh gives us way more ebbs and flows.. I understand the grind of a 17 game regular season with postseason and even Tom Brady didn't wake up 17 times 

 

If Josh is saying they wanted it more he also means it includes him.. not that he's the problem 

 

When Josh has the troops riled up... You usually see a different team 

 

This was a short week on the road a great defense.. maybe the bills don't care if they have to play the Patriots in the postseason because they think they're going to wake up for that and they're not worried enough one game take all

 

I'm just spitballing... Because we have to hope

This post got me thinking.  It's not Allen's problem if he isn't wired to be an a-hole and yell at his team mates.  The fact that Brady & Rogers did it is irrelevant as they are different people with very different personalities.  Just check out Mahommes who IMO is more like Allen then Brady/Rogers temperament wise.  There isn't a lot of footage showing him yelling at his teammates and after the game he takes almost all the blame and doesn't throw teammates under the bus.  Matt Stafford also won a recent SB with the Allen temperament.

 

So while I agree that for some guys this works there are also plenty of examples where SB winning QB's don't have to become someone they're not in order to hold teammates accountable.  In those situations like KC & LA:

 

*  the coaches play the bad cop holding players accountable.  

 

*  the GM's bring in guys who are self motivated and don't need the QB yelling at them to do their job.

 

Remember the bickering Bills?  t hit it's dysfunctional peak when Kelly started throwing teammates under the bus (remember Howard Ballard) and Thomas publicly called him out on it.  This supremely talented team went 9 - 7 and lost in the first round of the playoffs.  But Kelly got the message and stopped yelling at his team mates and Thomas STHU and the rest was history.

 

So rather then demand that Allen change his basic personality how about the Bills change the coach & GM and make accountability their responsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

9 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

MVP all world QB and yet 2 OCs in a row get fired?

 

That doesn't compute. It's the HC 

 

8 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

yeah it doesn’t matter. This thing is past its best by date. I hate to say it but part me is ok with missing the playoffs if it means they blow this thing up. Keep the QB and change everything else. Sometimes you have to take two steps back to move forward. Give ground to gain ground. 

 

8 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

And that’s why they need to change course. Josh will be fine and has the potential for a really good second half of his career. But he’s in a transition period and he’s becoming a different player. What worked before ain’t working anymore. The team needs a reset and it starts at the top. The “we can all

be mediocre cuz Josh will bail us out” concept is no more. McDermott is the definition of mediocre. And that’s fine. He will land on his feet and build the Giants into a playoff contender who can’t win the big game and waste Dart’s career. But we have to move on. 

 

Yeah but they're not gonna fire the head coach. That's the problem.

 

8 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Funny the D stats show that the Bills are a bottom 10 D..ST are terrible. O needs to be better particularly the OC. 

 

Actually, that's not what the stats show.

 

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Ridiculous 

 

It's not the QBs job to have the team prepared to play

 

QBs are typically team captains. They're typically the highest-paid player on the team. They're the one position that's expected to be available for every media session. Josh is 20% of the salary cap.

 

All of the above come with certain responsibilities.

 

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Seems like they come out after losses

 

The Josh "haters" (actually there's not really any such thing) come out after losses as do those who believe he can do no wrong.

 

Many people here can say that Josh is their favorite player ever... but also that he's not playing up to his standards.

 

7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I mean yeah I agree. And my psychoanalysis of Josh, and again these are just my thoughts that many will disagree with, and that’s fine being a public forum… but he’s gonna stay humble and be a good teammate and a good soldier ... Josh sometimes feels like he’s happy to be here. Brady was a killer, he was more like F you... Josh needs to be a dick, like Brady, like Rodgers, like Mahomes. He kinda needs to call out his teammates and coaches, but instead he blames himself every week. Either that or we need a coach who is a dick who will get the best out of his players. This nice-nice stuff just doesn’t win the majority of the time. Somebody needs to do something to shake things up. 

 

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Dawkins at his locker says he doesn’t think we were out-physicaled.  Points to Davis being a foot down away from us having the ball at the 1 with a chance to win. Im slowly starting to view his attitude as emblematic of why this team just can’t seem to do it.  Dion seems content being an above average LT on an above average Bills team that has a shot every year.  Happy go lucky, it’s all good type of vibe. 
 

At some point the leaders on this team need to get mad.  Josh Allen seems close to getting there.  Anyone else going to follow or nah?

 

Josh is a great guy. Dawk is a nice guy... on a nice team with lots of nice guys coaching and playing.

 

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

Especially in road games this year, the O Line has been getting physically whipped alot.  The regressions are so clear from last year to this year.  The Oline is more than a tick down, and the WR play/chemistry is way off.  Also, Allen is not seeing the field sometimes, or panicking and running himself directly into sacks.

 

Most of it falls on the coaches. It's their job to motivate, to scheme, to game plan, and to put the players in a position of success.

 

The coaches have failed miserably in those areas. The caveat is that the injuries have been incomprehensible.

 

1 hour ago, Nitro said:

Brady is inflexible in his in game thinking.  The Bills need to jettison him after this season.  

 

As I've mentioned numerous times, Dorsey was fired on November 14th. Today is November 21st.

 

52 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

how about tim settle? Dude is a beast for them, but was a total zero while here. What gives? 

 

Poon Ford has had a career rebirth after his one forgettable season with the Bills.

 

51 minutes ago, Boo Radley Boston said:

Bills only have 4 losses.

 

Houston is going to do damage if they reach the post season and Stroud is back 100%.

 

The only 2 games left that are questionable wins are NE and Philly. Assuming the Bills lost 1 of those games that leaves 12 - 5 and the post season.

 

The Bills have Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Cinci. The way they're playing I'd almost expect they'll lose one of those games.

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

15 minutes ago, Nitro said:

You did not address my point.  I am reluctant to call for a coach to be fired but he now has a body of work and Brady is not putting the best possible offense on the field with the talent they have.

I don’t think the roster is the issue. I think we are horribly held back by incompetent coaching on all sides of the ball. Bring in Daboll. Shake it up

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

Yeah but they're not gonna fire the head coach. That's the problem.

 

 

Actually, that's not what the stats show.

 

 

QBs are typically team captains. They're typically the highest-paid player on the team. They're the one position that's expected to be available for every media session. Josh is 20% of the salary cap.

 

All of the above come with certain responsibilities.

 

 

The Josh "haters" (actually there's not really any such thing) come out after losses as do those who believe he can do no wrong.

 

Many people here can say that Josh is their favorite player ever... but also that he's not playing up to his standards.

 

 

 

Josh is a great guy. Dawk is a nice guy... on a nice team with lots of nice guys coaching and playing.

 

 

Most of it falls on the coaches. It's their job to motivate, to scheme, to game plan, and to put the players in a position of success.

 

The coaches have failed miserably in those areas. The caveat is that the injuries have been incomprehensible.

 

 

As I've mentioned numerous times, Dorsey was fired on November 14th. Today is November 21st.

 

 

Poon Ford has had a career rebirth after his one forgettable season with the Bills.

 

 

The Bills have Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Cinci. The way they're playing I'd almost expect they'll lose one of those games.

 

 

 

Allen's cap hit is $37m, the salary cap is $279M

 

I'll save you the math, that does not equal 20%