Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Yes, the team informed Josh they would select Coleman with the first pick of Day 2. As a supportive teammate, Josh responded with a text. Do you think Allen studies college tape so closely that he actually preferred Keon over Ladd?

 

 

Ladd wasn't a consideration. They've already got his skills on the team with Shakir. Lots of fans wanted him, and for obvious reasons, but the Bills didn't really have needs there.

 

But yes, Allen said it after the draft, that he'd watched a lot of tape on round one guys that year. And that he'd really liked Coleman a lot.

 

Anyway, this isn't where Allen talked about when he'd watched, but here Josh talks about what he'd liked about Coleman's college tape specifically.

 

 

 

 

 

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Yes, the team informed Josh they would select Coleman with the first pick of Day 2. As a supportive teammate, Josh responded with a text. Do you think Allen studies college tape so closely that he actually preferred Keon over Ladd?

 

 

Um, yes, yes I do. That's what the evidence all shows.

 

Oh, and as for Josh having to say this because he's supportive, please stop with this nonsense.

 

This is the whole deal where people assume any opinion from a star is a lie because the listener doesn't agree with the star. It's just nonsense. The argument goes like this: "He's a teammate, so he has to say something like this. Plus he's disagreeing with me here, so he must be lying."

 

This line of argument, that a fan knows what he really meant and that the fan is a better barometer of what Allen meant than Allen is, it's crap.

 

As a supportive teammate, Allen DID NOT NEED to lie. He just didn't. Off the top of my head, here are ten texts/tweets he could have sent without lying that would have completely filled the bill:

 

• Yeah, excited to work with you, Keon!
• Keon Coleman!! We're gonna put up some serious yards!
• Psyched!!!
• Really looking forward to throwing to you, Keon Coleman!!
• Alright!!!!! Yeah, baby!! See you at camp, Keon!
• Hey, my new best friend, Keon Coleman!!
• Keon, this is going to be great!!!
• Oh, yeah!!! Keon Coleman!!
• Keon is a big guy!! This will be fun!!!
• KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEON!!!!!!!!! Looking forward to giving 110% with you, buddy!!!

 

All of those would have been just fine, without lying. This is always the (dumb) argument, that he had to lie to be a good teammate. And it's total bushwah!!!

 

There's a reason he said "You're the guy I wanted." The reason is that he's the guy he wanted. Again, he didn't have to say that. Could've gone a million different ways with no problem.

 

Brandon Beane:  "Josh is crazy about the draft process. If I get a call from Josh in the offseason, it's usually him seeing somebody on a highlight, running into somebody, throwing with somebody -- just something to ask me what I think about this guy. He called me at the Senior Bowl (asking) what do I think about a couple of guys there. So he loves it.

"He's been in the building the last couple of weeks now that the offseason program's started. So we did give him some guys, we said, 'Hey, sit back with the coaches, y'all watch them together and talk about how you'd use them. I'd like to hear what you see.' And he liked a lot of the guys, he really did. But Keon was one -- I know he liked him a lot, too. And Josh and I didn't speak on Thursday, really. Maybe he stopped by that morning. But that next day, Friday morning, he FaceTimed me. Actually, I was still at home before I headed in here. And he was like, 'What are you thinking?' And I said, 'Well, barring somebody blowing me away, I'm going to take Keon.' And he was pretty pumped."

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-gm-brandon-beane-josh-allen-pretty-pumped-we-drafted-wr-keon-coleman

 

Along with everything else there, he says Keon was one of the guys the coaches specifically showed film of to Josh. And that they knew Josh liked him a lot. And folks are trying to argue that Josh wasn't very likely to have formed opinions of 1st round WR prospects, knowing that was one of the most likely ways for them to go?

 

And again the guy who said he had a source that the Bills were going Coleman (Jordan Schultz) didn't just say that they were picking him, he said that he was Allen's favorite left in the draft.

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

But, but, but, contested catches. 

 

They wasted a premium pick on a guy who's forte is a low probability play that you don't want to rely on.  Who picks a player for contested catch skills when you need to replace Diggs?  

 

I am sure the excuse could be they have a slot guy in Shakir.  McConky can be used multiple ways and so can Shakir.  

 

McConky is faster, quicker, better feet, better hands, smarter, better routes, a dedicated football player, and he gets open all the time ... 

 

But McConkey doesn't solve this team's biggest issue which is they don't threaten deep and outside and it means teams can compress the field against us both vertically and horizontally. And look I'd have picked him before Coleman, because Coleman doesn't do any of those things either and McConkey is just a better football player. And anyone who tried to argue that Coleman was a contested catch specialist hadn't watched enough of him in college. He wasn't that for Florida State he hasn't been that in the league. He is pretty average in that facet. The thing Keon does best is run after the catch ball in hand. It is not coincidence that when the Bills were getting some production from him in the middle of his rookie year pre injury that is how he was being used in the main. 

 

Coleman was just a bad pick. A slow, big slot, who is a career non-separator and average at the catch point. I said it at the time and I stick by every word.

[nuklz2594]

keon is slow and I think he himself realizes he is in over his head. that and he seems to have an IQ between a beet and a cabbage. said it many times ladd would've fixed many things with Shakir.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Brady: "Coleman is slacking off."

McD:  "Make him run laps."

*
Two weeks later.

*
McD:  "How's Coleman's attitude?"

Brady: "Better, but his legs are now mammoth, and he's slower."

McD: "Good, another body for the D!"

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nah. It's starting to get to be time where you can say he's not looking good. But way too early for final opinions. That's just ridiculous. Hell, Allen missed him when he was open downfield long twice this game. 

 

The text that makes your point here is Skurski's. And he edited out some of the most important parts of McDermott's comments specifically to make it look like he was saying something he wasn't quite.

 

Here's the Skurski quote you used,  in blue, and what he left out from McDermott in red:  

 

"He knows if I'm not satisfied (about it). Just like any player.... It's fair that you're asking about it. I promise you, it gets addressed when it isn't where it needs to be. There are times just like any player or any performer where it is exactly where it needs to be, and there are times where when it's not, and then we have to address it, to get it hopefully where it needs to be. So it's addressed. It's been good at times and other times it can improve for sure."

 

Leaving out the bit about "just like any player," included there TWICE, is misleading of Skurski. Does this refer mostly to whatever he was benched for a couple of weeks ago? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's basically impossible to tell from what we see here.

 

 

 

 

What McDermott didn't say was "no."  Which, in turn, says it all. 

[Blackbeard]

I wonder how much, if any, Allen’s input influenced Beane in the Coleman pick?  
 

 

[pigpen65]

Gabe Davis in and bench him 

Edited 2 hours ago by pigpen65

[ganesh]

14 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

So I saw a highlight from yesterday, Allen completed a quick out to someone for a short gain. I remember watching Coleman and wondering if it's normal for a nonplay-side WR to just jog through a route. 
 

I wish I could remember the details, it was a "team highlight" but his effort stood out. 

at this point Gabe Davis may be the better option when he returns from injury

[TheyCallMeAndy]

35 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

I wonder how much, if any, Allen’s input influenced Beane in the Coleman pick?  
 

 

Allen isn't a scout, there shouldn't be any influence.

[BobbyC81]

13 hours ago, EssexBill said:

He’s got $9.6m guaranteed money, he can probably buy his entire Hicksville home town and a new yellow jacket for that so he can’t be bothered anymore, he wouldn’t be the first player to get some money and then lose focus 

The infamous JaMarcus Russell supposedly told his teammates after he signed that he was all set for life, then played like it.

[Mike R]

14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considering Peyton Manning had no problem ripping into players this is something Josh needs to do if there is a problem 

 

Can't always be everybody's friend he is here to lead an NFL franchise 

 

Sometimes he needs to be tough... He's holding that back he needs to get that edge

 

He has earned the right to hold players accountable

I agree 100 percent. Josh needs to grow a pair and hold his teammates accountable when they are screwing up.

Brady, Rodger’s, Peyton Manning, Drew Breeze, Marino,Kelly, all of them played with fire and got on their guys when the effort wasn’t there. I’m tired of Josh being Mr. nice guy and just sitting in isolation on the sideline sulking. I don’t even see any coaches or players talking to him. I never see him go up and down the bench rallying the troops. I get they are professional and shouldn’t need a pep talk but they are human and complacency sets in when nobody seems to care. It’s human nature. Sometimes they need a kick in the ass and McD isn’t going to do it. All he can do is clap maniacally after every bad play and call ill timed timeouts that result in bad plays.

[Einstein]

Joe Brady also mentioned yesterday not to assume that sacks are on the OL or QB, and mentioned that guys need to get open and read their checks better.

 

Thought that was pretty eye opening. First time ive heard him really go after the WR’s like that. 

 

 

[Blackbeard]

27 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Allen isn't a scout, there shouldn't be any influence.

Precisely my point. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Joe Brady also mentioned yesterday not to assume that sacks are on the OL or QB, and mentioned that guys need to get open and read their checks better.

 

Thought that was pretty eye opening. First time ive heard him really go after the WR’s like that. 

 

 

"Hey, Coach!  I think Accounting forgot to add in my quarterly payment for consecutive games played."

[stlbills13]

Imagine if Coleman hadn't endeared himself to everyone in that initial press conference.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

15 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

nobody does that anymore

not lamar not mahomes not burrow not stafford not goff

 

rodgers might because hes an ####### but it's not the 1990s anymore, that kind of stuff isnt effective

Spend a lot of time on NFL sidelines and in locker rooms, do you?

[I'm Spartacus]

It's simple. Beane and his scouting staff are NOT good evaluators of talent. They make picks and then cross their fingers it will work out. I don't care about his "later in the draft" picks that sometimes work out as depth pieces.

[Buffalo Boy]

7 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

Imagine if Coleman hadn't endeared himself to everyone in that initial press conference.

And there’s the rub of it.

   As football fans, we should care more about the skill set and ability over likability. Many on here were very unimpressed on that note. He was nice in the presser…. Good for him. It didn’t make him a better player just a more personable guy.

   You know who isn’t very personable? James Cook. He has the charisma of a sleeping turtle. I don’t hold it against him. He has what counts to a team. Ability and Drive. The drive shows up on the field. 
    Which is all to say, this is a perfect example of how this “ Process” BS is just that. Find guys who can play, even if they aren’t the nicest or smoothest off the field. Not asking for crooks or felons but this is a mild mannered and tame looking bunch of dudes excepting about five of them…. Maybe.

[stlbills13]

Just now, Buffalo Boy said:

And there’s the rub of it.

   As football fans, we should care more about the skill set and ability over likability. Many on here were very unimpressed on that note. He was nice in the presser…. Good for him. It didn’t make him a better player just a more personable guy.

   You know who isn’t very personable? James Cook. He has the charisma of a sleeping turtle. I don’t hold it against him. He has what counts to a team. Ability and Drive. The drive shows up on the field. 
    Which is all to say, this is a perfect example of how this “ Process” BS is just that. Find guys who can play, even if they aren’t the nicest or smoothest off the field. Not asking for crooks or felons but this is a mild mannered and tame looking bunch of dudes excepting about five of them…. Maybe.

 

100% correct. And maybe I'm wrong but I see a somewhat lazy, pouty attitude from Coleman now. I'm not 100% Gabe Davis will do better but I'd sure as hell like to find out