McDermott statement in presser is telling concerning our offense

[Since1981]

2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

Personally I blame McDermott's glasses. Everything started going downhill when he began wearing them. 

 

 

 

McDermott in his Oprah glasses:

‘You get a retread DB! You get a retread safety! NO WR1 for you!’ 👏😂

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Personally I blame McDermott's glasses. Everything started going downhill when he began wearing them. 

 

 

Wrong prescription? 🤔

[RobbRiddick]

Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Wrong prescription? 🤔

I think they're VR glasses. He's actually watching the WC game against NE a few years ago. That's why he's so confused, he's wondering what the f*** Diggs is still doing on his team

[Flipnmi]

Lost in all the other rhetoric since the game, is that the O-line got smoked yesterday. It's very puzzling how they can play like a top 5 group one week and get embarassed the next. I don't recall ever seeing Dion get pushed around like he was on a few plays yesterday. Josh was scrabbling for his life on pass attempts and Cook had to struggle for yards on most of his carries. Fortunately, this is one area that I have some confidence that it can be fixed.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, RobbRiddick said:

I think they're VR glasses. He's actually watching the WC game against NE a few years ago. That's why he's so confused, he's wondering what the f*** Diggs is still doing on his team

[frostbitmic]

If we can pass it 5-10 yards sideways, why can't we throw it 5-10 yards downfield, you know, towards the goal line ?

[JohnNord]

17 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Coach was asked about the passing offense being ineffective and he said it would be nice to be effective but it will basically only be effective when working in concert with the running game.

 

I strongly disagree with that statement as a whole, but agree that’s what we need RIGHT NOW because of front office neglect. Yes, we all want a good ground game. And we have a very good ground game when Cook is on the field. But a good ground game, IMO, is easier to shut down than a good pass game is, which we don’t have right now. At least a good passing game when the ground game isn’t effective.

 

Just a few years back, the perfect game followed up by the 13 seconds game, the Bills passing game was humming and the offense, with a pretty mediocre ground game, was basically as unstoppable as an offense can be.

 

The Bills neglecting our superstar QB and forgetting how we became a contending team is why we are in this mess, at least on offense. A tight end heavy offense shouldn’t be a staple when you have Josh ***** Allen as your QB.

 

 

 

 

This is a little misleading. This was his exact quote:

 

”"Um, but it can't just be one one phase of your offense. It's got to be two working, you know, in concert with one another. So, you guys know I say this quite a bit. It starts up front with the with the line of scrimmage, controlling the line of scrimmage early, and it that sets up other things. So, that's that's what I look at first is are we controlling the line of scrimmage, and then how does that set up our passing game? So, no, they go hand in hand." (7:42-8:04)

he later said:

Well, it is because it's an important part of our offense. It's we've got we've got a great quarterback and you want to be able to move the ball two dimensionally and um you know, we should be able to move the ball with Josh through the air.

 

 

How exactly is this incorrect?  You need a balanced offense to compete in the postseason.  The last three Super Bowl winners have proven this.   You need a team that wins in the trenches.  
 

Also if you listened to the rest of the press conference he was very frustrated at how the Bills struggled to pass the football.    It didn’t exactly sound like someone who wants to ground and pound and NOT pass the ball as you are projecting here 

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

why do you think this is “FO neglect?” I think it is an intentional decision. I think they think this is the offense that is going to win in the playoffs. Ball control, physical, some timely Josh plays.
 

 

I agree.  What we're seeing is by design.  The problem is that those tasked with selecting the offensive talent and designing the structure to execute this style of offense have so far failed at their job.  It's obvious to those of us who follow the Bills closely that something is off with the passing game.  I don't need Joe Marino, alt 22 or advanced analytics to see it.  Even going back to the late 60's/early 70's when almost every offense pounded the ball first and emphasized the run game they had at least one big play WR.  Think Warren Wells, Otis Taylor, Fred Biletnikoff and Don Maynard to name just 4 from Super Bowl winning teams.  This has been pretty much a constant for most SB teams.  The Chiefs sort of bucked the trend one season but they still had a 1st ballot, elite pass catching TE on the field.

 

 

 

 

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Flipnmi said:

Lost in all the other rhetoric since the game, is that the O-line got smoked yesterday. It's very puzzling how they can play like a top 5 group one week and get embarassed the next. I don't recall ever seeing Dion get pushed around like he was on a few plays yesterday. Josh was scrabbling for his life on pass attempts and Cook had to struggle for yards on most of his carries. Fortunately, this is one area that I have some confidence that it can be fixed.

The really didn’t get smoked in pass pro.  Josh had the most time to throw as he’s had since 2018

[Green Lightning]

I am happy to have a good running game. Our pass-first teams eventually got shut down and we couldn't get a first down to finish a game. It's not the run game that's the problem, it's the complete lack of talent at receiver and an OC that can scheme against man coverage. We do not have one receiver that can beat man coverage, not one. Beane like's them big and slow. Load the box and dare one of our receivers to win a one-on-one, they cannot. Josh had 3.5 seconds plus to throw on Sunday, the longest of his career, and couldn't find anyone open time after time. So I do fault McD, but this is mostly on Beane. I think both need to move on. 

[Luka]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

 

With Kincaid out we literally have zero passing game beyond 5 yards.  It's utterly remarkable the level of professional malpractice that sentence requires to be true with Allen at QB.

 

The front office really needs a smack in the back of the head. So many absolutely wasted picks on defense over the years and only a single attempt to bring in a playmaker on the outside. And that attempt has been a massive bust save for about 1 game and a couple plays here and there. Why rely on trading for a guy? Why not have your scouts do their job and have the GM address the glaring hole on this team? I see teams across the NFL that have not 1 but 2 (!) high level receivers on their rosters and all we can muster is a couple slot guys and a deep threat that's never won a foot race in his life? 

 

At this point it really is a joke. 

[JohnNord]

22 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

It would be one thing if we were using the running game to set up the pass. 

 

But we aren't even doing that, lol. We use the run game and it either works or it doesn't. And then we pass and hope for the best...

That’s exactly what he says he wanted to do, and why he’s frustrated with Joe Brady:

 

"Um, but it can't just be one one phase of your offense. It's got to be two working, you know, in concert with one another. So, you guys know I say this quite a bit. It starts up front with the with the line of scrimmage, controlling the line of scrimmage early, and it that sets up other things. So, that's that's what I look at first is are we controlling the line of scrimmage, and then how does that set up our passing game? So, no, they go hand in hand."

[Psautcsk]

19 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

why do you think this is “FO neglect?” I think it is an intentional decision. I think they think this is the offense that is going to win in the playoffs. Ball control, physical, some timely Josh plays.
 

 

If

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, JohnNord said:

The really didn’t get smoked in pass pro.  Josh had the most time to throw as he’s had since 2018

Some of that is Allen's escapability.  I see a lot of QB's take sacks that Allen eludes and extends the play.  But overall the pass pro is good which is an even stronger indictment of the receivers not getting separation or responding properly on plays where Allen is scrambling.  That the Bills miss the contributions of Davis & Hollins is we need to know about the current problems.

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

41 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Coach was asked about the passing offense being ineffective and he said it would be nice to be effective but it will basically only be effective when working in concert with the running game.

 

I strongly disagree with that statement as a whole, but agree that’s what we need RIGHT NOW because of front office neglect. Yes, we all want a good ground game. And we have a very good ground game when Cook is on the field. But a good ground game, IMO, is easier to shut down than a good pass game is, which we don’t have right now. At least a good passing game when the ground game isn’t effective.

 

Just a few years back, the perfect game followed up by the 13 seconds game, the Bills passing game was humming and the offense, with a pretty mediocre ground game, was basically as unstoppable as an offense can be.

 

The Bills neglecting our superstar QB and forgetting how we became a contending team is why we are in this mess, at least on offense. A tight end heavy offense shouldn’t be a staple when you have Josh ***** Allen as your QB.

 

 

 

 

The KGun passed to set up the run.  They also used Thurman a ton in the passing game

[BillsVet]

44 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Coach was asked about the passing offense being ineffective and he said it would be nice to be effective but it will basically only be effective when working in concert with the running game.

 

I strongly disagree with that statement as a whole, but agree that’s what we need RIGHT NOW because of front office neglect. Yes, we all want a good ground game. And we have a very good ground game when Cook is on the field. But a good ground game, IMO, is easier to shut down than a good pass game is, which we don’t have right now. At least a good passing game when the ground game isn’t effective.

 

Just a few years back, the perfect game followed up by the 13 seconds game, the Bills passing game was humming and the offense, with a pretty mediocre ground game, was basically as unstoppable as an offense can be.

 

The Bills neglecting our superstar QB and forgetting how we became a contending team is why we are in this mess, at least on offense. A tight end heavy offense shouldn’t be a staple when you have Josh ***** Allen as your QB.

 

That McD walks away from that game talking about the passing game is ironic.  He (and Beane) are the ones that pushed all their chips into defense this off-season and gave the OC nothing aside from Josh Palmer to replace Amari Cooper.  

 

And then he, as is normal, subtly blames the OC.  He's had issues with every single of the 4 OC's he's hired and still doesn't see he's the problem.  

 

If McD is right about the passing game, then the OC and the QB are at fault and he isn't.  That is, his hand-picked OC and a top-2 QB in the NFL bear responsibility.  

 

The man has never grasped offense, never understood how, with the GM, to scheme an offense, nor the players to fit that scheme...with a franchise QB.

 

McD is the root cause of the dysfunction...and he needs to go after this season.    

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsVet

[Lost]

2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The KGun passed to set up the run.  They also used Thurman a ton in the passing game

 

We seem to be able to move the ball more effectively every time we go tempo.   McDermott really wants to control that clock though..

[Ray Stonada]

1 minute ago, Lost said:

 

We seem to be able to move the ball more effectively every time we go tempo.   McDermott really wants to control that clock though..

 

Thank you. Without a passing game that can function independently we won't get where we want to go. 

[nuklz2594]

just glad Josh is able to move or he'd be the second coming of Andrew luck

[Walking Tall]

A passing game with Josh Allen as your QB shouldn’t be reliant on your running game being successful. Of course the running game should help it but when the running game isn’t working the passing game shouldn’t look like garbage.

Edited 3 hours ago by Walking Tall