This regime is bad at picking offensive coordinators

[mannc]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

agreed, except about the outstanding O-line.   It's not that right now.

It’s the same o-line personnel as last year, but I agree, they’ve had some bad games, especially yesterday and Atlanta. I don’t understand it.  It’s still a very good o-line, though.  I will add that Josh has abandoned clean pockets and run into quite a few sacks this year.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It was inferred, not hyperbolic.

 

I didn't understand your logic that had you claiming he's not doing a great job" as an argument for both him becoming a HC next year.

 

Citing bettors as the basis for your conclusions I'll let stand...

 

The Giants thought Daboll was doing a great job.   Once he parted ways with Josh, well....we all saw what happened.

 

It was never inferred that his “ prospects were better than ever.” It was hyperbole. You know that. We see it a lot here. You just got called on it. That was never said or inferred.
 

I’m not weighing in if I think he “should” get a HC job. My statement was that he “will” get one. The statement was definitive because he will be a HC regardless of the job I think he’s doing. I don’t have a say. My opinion is that he hasn’t been very good this year (at all). He will be a HC next year. Both of those are true.
 

I’m citing oddsmakers who build big buildings by winning. If they didn’t have information or believe he was a candidate at that level they’d try to attract action. By placing him as the betting favorite for LSU and the 2nd choice for the Titans, they’re trying to steer bettors away from him limiting their exposure. Believe it or not, they hear things and know things.  

Edited 6 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Mike in Horseheads]

On 11/9/2025 at 4:43 PM, Roundybout said:

 

 

Joe Brady stinks. I get that he’s got next to nothing to work with, but the personnel usage is absolutely baffling. How is Cook off the field in high pressure situations? Why are our receivers running routes next to each other? Where are the quick hitters? 
 

Out of the four OCs we’ve hired, three have been atrocious - Dennison, Dorsey and Brady. Ridiculous. 

Didn't we also have Greg Roman?

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It was never inferred that his “ prospects were better than ever.” It was hyperbole. You know that. We see it a lot here. You just got called on it. That was never said or inferred. I’m not weighing in if I think he “should” get a HC job. My statement was that he “will” get one.
 

The statement was definitive because he will be a HC regardless of the job I think he’s doing. I don’t have a say. My opinion is that he hasn’t been very good this year (at all). He will be a HC next year. Both of those are true.
 

I’m citing oddsmakers who build big buildings by winning. If they didn’t have information or believe he was a candidate at that level they’d try to attract action. By placing him as the betting favorite for LSU and the 2nd choice for the Titans, they’re trying to steer bettors away from him limiting their exposure. Believe it or not, they hear things and know things.  

 

 

They build big buildings off the money lost by foolish bettors.  You can get a line on anything....simply because someone is willing to risk money over it, no matter how unlikely a win.  There's a line on the Jets, Raiders, Browns, Giants...etc, winning the SB.  The concept is obviously absurd, but books put it out there to take sucker money. 

 

If the Bills win or make the SB, I agree that Brady is gone.  If they keep limping along Offensively, it would be a difficult sell---even to a team as poorly run as the Titians. Can we agree on that?

 

24 minutes ago, mannc said:

It’s the same o-line personnel as last year, but I agree, they’ve had some bad games, especially yesterday and Atlanta. I don’t understand it.  It’s still a very good o-line, though.  I will add that Josh has abandoned clean pockets and run into quite a few sacks this year.

 

A very good line doesn't have bad games against bad run Defenses.

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They build big buildings off the money lost by foolish bettors.  You can get a line on anything....simply because someone is willing to risk money over it, no matter how unlikely a win.  There's a line on the Jets, Raiders, Browns, Giants...etc, winning the SB.  The concept is obviously absurd, but books put it out there to take sucker money. 

 

If the Bills win or make the SB, I agree that Brady is gone.  If they keep limping along Offensively, it would be a difficult sell---even to a team as poorly run as the Titians. Can we agree on that?

 

 

A very good line doesn't have bad games against bad run Defenses.

Do you think, if the oddsmakers believed he WOULDN’T get a job, they’d have his odds higher or lower?

 

I think it’s already pretty much set that he’s going to be a HC regardless of what happens the rest of the year. There will be a dozen or so jobs between the power 4 and the NFL. With the exception of Lane Kiffin, Brady is probably the likeliest person to nab one of those jobs. If Kiffin takes one, that opens another job. It’s just math. 
 

 

[NyQuil]

They need to stop promoting from within all the time.

[Roundybout]

43 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Didn't we also have Greg Roman?

No, we fired him in 2016 IIRC. That weird game where we put up 30+ and lost, and they fired Roman instead of Rob Ryan 

[Einstein]

[BillsShredder83]

On 11/9/2025 at 5:50 PM, mannc said:

I disagree.  Ask Bobby Slowik how quickly the “hot” offensive coordinator can fall from grace. Brady’s only chance to be a HC next year is in the NCAA.

Everything that could help us the most, can be done without the constraints of a salary cap.  Your point is valid, and makes a potential hire scary, but it need to be done.

 

Terry needs to hire a board of consultants to help interview/pick the right guys, that costs $$$.... but no salary cap on that.

I think McD couldve done ok here IFFFF we went balls out and made sure we got top coordinators.  Should've been super obvious by the end of Dorsey's tenure!! We have a Ferrari, we cant let the soberest town drunk drive the car.... def cant bank on a Rookie Coordinator with a Championship Window that open..... we learned nothing there

 

Looking back in hindsight, I think McD likely held Frazier back more than we realize... Im not going to cry over it, he wasn't elite, might not have even been "good", but damn Babich was a crappy decision too.

 

Anybody have a pulse for who the hot named coordinators are?  We cant really afford to be this picky (probably).... but we cant go with the full on youth movement again, but I do not want some dinosaurs in here.  I really dont love the idea of picking from the NFL's leftovers, too small of a pool.  Are there names from college ranks we can kick the tires on?

[T master]

On 11/9/2025 at 3:43 PM, Roundybout said:

 

 

Joe Brady stinks. I get that he’s got next to nothing to work with, but the personnel usage is absolutely baffling. How is Cook off the field in high pressure situations? Why are our receivers running routes next to each other? Where are the quick hitters? 
 

Out of the four OCs we’ve hired, three have been atrocious - Dennison, Dorsey and Brady. Ridiculous. 

Well now Dabol is free so I bet he'd come back then the world would be good well maybe a bit better at least !! 

[mjt328]

We don't need the next Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Ben Johnson, etc.

All we need is a normal offensive coordinator with a normal system, who just understands the basics of NFL football.

• Someone who understands both the pass game and run game are important.
• Someone who understands how to design passing concepts for all levels of the field.
• Someone who understands how to use the skills of the players on the roster.
• Someone who understands how to watch game film and prepare for an opponent's tendencies.
• Someone who understands how to attack and adjust to simple defensive schemes during a game.

It's just baffling to me that three years ago, we had an OC who didn't know how to design a simple screen pass.  Now we have a guy who can't design anything but screen passes (to everyone but the running back).  We used to have a guy who had every WR running deep outs and crossers on every play, never giving the QB legitimate underneath options.  Now half of our passes are caught at the line of scrimmage, and converting anything 6 yards downfield seems difficult.

 

It's just baffling to me that we sign Curtis Samuel to a big contract, and our OC basically uses him like Isaiah McKenzie.  We sign an Khalil Shakir to an extension, and the OC doesn't seem to have anything in the playbook for him deeper than five yards.  And for some reason, he keeps thinking end-around plays work... even though they net about 4 yards max, and go backwards more than half the time.  I think we have a special end-around designed for every WR and TE on the roster.

 

It's just baffling to me that we go into games against teams that blitz all the time, and are unprepared for the blitz.  We don't seem to adjust our gameplans to the strengths and weaknesses of an opponent, and often try attacking the opposite.  It doesn't even seem to matter who we are playing against.  We just do what we do, and hope it works.

 

Most of all, it's just baffling to me that we are the only team in the NFL who has Josh Allen... possibly the best QB in the NFL, and one of the most physically gifted QBs in NFL history... and our staff has decided the best plan of attack is to surround him with Tight Ends and blocking WRs, become the highest rushing percentage team in the league and make almost all of his throws check-downs.  

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

... and our staff has decided the best plan of attack is to surround him with Tight Ends and blocking WRs, become the highest rushing percentage team in the league and make almost all of his throws check-downs.  

 

Might as well trade Allen, and see if Edwards will come back for veteran minimum. 🤔😇

[Gregg]

14 hours ago, NyQuil said:

They need to stop promoting from within all the time.

 

Seahawks OC Klint Kubiak has done a very good job working with Sam Darnold who has 2,262 yards passing with 17 TDs and 6 INTs so far this season.

[Augie]

On 11/9/2025 at 4:50 PM, DaVinci said:

The only true OC we had left because he couldn't stand the coach

 

Well, let’s be fair enough to pass the straight face test….he left because he became a HC. 

 

People hate on our OC’s, and then they either become a HC or we are expecting them to be a HC very soon. Are teams stupid enough to hire a new HC simply because he had Josh Allen as QB when they were an OC? Or might there be more to it. 

 

 

 

Hint: There is always more to it. 

[hondo in seattle]

I'm generally a McD supporter, but I agree he doesn't have a great record with coordinators.   Let's compare our current coordinators with our archrivals:

 

Chiefs:

OC: Matt Nagy.  Former head coach and "Coach of the Year."  Innovative thinker.  

DC: Steve Spagnuolo.  Former head coach and one of the best DCs in the game.  Tony Romo says he should be the HOF.

 

Bills:

 

OC: Joe Brady.  Young OC struggling to prove himself.

DC: Bobby Babich.  Young DC struggling to prove himself.