The Bills were high bidders for Waddle, tried acquiring Williams

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

The Beane PR machine. He has every BLO reporter basically banned from the facility if they write something negative. Annual 2 week Beane tour in the postseason where he talks about drafting Josh and smells his farts with Pat McAfee. Then the standard narrative shifting leak we see today. The whole big baller Beane or image of him looking slick in his shades is more PR. Paper thin skin, insecure, etc. 

 

He is, without doubt a bit of a PR master. And in fairness PR is part of a GM's job. So I don't hold it against him (and he is much better at the create a narrative stuff than he is at the poker face pre-draft stuff anyway). He started the narrative spinning basically as soon as he got here. He managed to convince everyone that the Sammy and Darby trades were inevitable because of the cap and not part of a concerted effort to start afresh with new players and a new culture.

[todd]

Ok. Can we stop the whining now?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I still think it was Ross who put the final kibosh on trading his Golden Boy Waddle.

 

[MPT]

Obviously neither of those teams were going to trade to us. Was Beane just wasting all of his time on these players? Because Shaheed was available for cheap. 

 

Although, I'm not sure I would have even wanted Shaheed because Beane and McDermott are clearly not on the same page regarding receivers. Beane had a meltdown on WGR because he was upset people weren't respecting his free agent WR acquisitions. And yet, those acquisitions have barely been used by the coaching staff. 

 

So I really don't have much faith in their strategy as a whole when it comes to this position.

[Wayne Cubed]

35 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

2026 third also…I gotta disagree with you here I think that’s a strategic overpay for waddle tbh.  Miami turned it down for the optics of it which is gonna hurt them long term imo.  I don’t think they want to admit to fans they’ve gotta blow it all up 

A 2026 3rd, at this point is roughly worth a 4th because of uncertainty of where the Bills will finish. Maybe it’s still a 3rd because of where we are in season.  A 2027 1st is worth a 3rd roughly (degrades a round per year away). 

 

So Beane offered a 3rd and a 3rd(4th) for Waddle and you think that’s an overpay? Sorry but that’s an underpay for me. 

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[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Hell, all we need is someone who can at least threaten downfield…that currently does not exist on our roster.

 

It does actually. Palmer played that role with the Chargers regularly and was wide open on many of those.

 

Moore and Samuel can both get deep and have the speed to do it and Davis is one of the best deep ball WR in the NFL when healthy.

 

 

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

just a wild narrative that Brady won’t allow it 

 

He doesn't utilize WR in a way that allows for it really. Diggs fell off a cliff when he took over from Dorsey while being near the top of the NFL before that.

 

I'm supposed to believe Diggs suddenly stopped being able to do what he did the 8 week prior?

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[dayman]

Waddle would have meant superbowl

[Julio Hopkins]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

A 2026 3rd, at this point is roughly worth a 4th because of uncertainty of where the Bills will finish. A 2027 1st is worth a 3rd roughly (degrades a round per year away). 

 

So Beane offered a 3rd and a 4th for Waddle and you think that’s an overpay? Sorry but that’s an underpay for me. 

 

Is this a real standard that the league uses?  Because that's absolute nonsense.  

[IYKYK]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It does actually. Palmer played that role with the Chargers regularly and was wide open on many of those.

 

Moore and Samuel can both get deep and have the speed to do it and Davis is one of the best deep ball WR in the NFL when healthy.

 

 

Didn’t Davis have problems catching the ball. He’s had some good games, but elite? Not so much. 

[BVBILLS]

Who is leaking this info? Really should have made this trade.  

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Julio Hopkins said:

 

Is this a real standard that the league uses?  Because that's absolute nonsense.  

It’s hard to assign value to an unknown. Yes it’ll be a 1st in 2027 but as we know, there aren’t 32 1st round grades in any given draft. You can’t just say a 2026 1st has the same value as one in 2027. 

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It does actually. Palmer played that role with the Chargers regularly and was wide open on many of those.

 

Moore and Samuel can both get deep and have the speed to do it and Davis is one of the best deep ball WR in the NFL when healthy.

 

 

 

Moore and Samuel have shown zero deep ball ability, regardless of their 40 times at the combine 6 or 7 years ago.  And Davis is a street free agent who can barely run at all now  None of those guys is going to keep defenses honest.  Palmer doesn’t scare anyone either.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

A 2026 3rd, at this point is roughly worth a 4th because of uncertainty of where the Bills will finish. Maybe it’s still a 3rd because of where we are in season.  A 2027 1st is worth a 3rd roughly (degrades a round per year away). 

 

So Beane offered a 3rd and a 3rd(4th) for Waddle and you think that’s an overpay? Sorry but that’s an underpay for me. 

I think that old ‘degrade a round’ rule doesn’t really fit here. dolphins don’t really need that value next year and it’s not like the bills picks can really fall much further in the draft order (to the point where you’re already rounding them down to the next round 😂).  That old rule of thumb was strongly based on the uncertainty of not knowing what the draft order will be in two years but having some info on it for the current year 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[transient]

7 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

Didn’t Davis have problems catching the ball. He’s had some good games, but elite? Not so much. 

He was also unreliable at being on the same page with Allen when reading defenses on option routes, leading to a bunch of INTs.

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think that old ‘degrade a round’ rule doesn’t really fit here. dolphins don’t really need that value next year and it’s not like the bills picks can really fall much further in the draft order (to the point where you’re already rounding them down to the next round 😂).  That old rule of thumb was strongly based on the uncertainty of not knowing what the draft order will be in two years but having some info on it for the current year 

I think it still somewhat applies, not even because of knowing draft order but also no knowing value of that pick. How often are 32 1st round grades given? If there’s only 15 in 2026, pick 16s value isn’t really of a 1st, because there’s not 1st round talent there. It’s more like a 2nd.

 

And the uncertainty is what degrades picks so far in future. Not necessarily the order of picks. 
 

So maybe a 3rd is slightly over degrading it… but it’s still quite possibly valued as a 2nd. 

[Jerboski]

Wonder if they try for a move during the draft for a bonafide wr

[HappyDays]

Metcalf for a 2nd would have been a better value than Waddle for a 1st. That's the cost of waiting until the last minute to make a move. Even so if Miami wanted a 2026 1st you just have to do it for a player like that. What is the sense in drawing a line in the sand? I worry that the tagline of this regime will end up being "they never really went for it."

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Metcalf for a 2nd would have been a better value than Waddle for a 1st. That's the cost of waiting until the last minute to make a move. Even so if Miami wanted a 2026 1st you just have to do it for a player like that. What is the sense in drawing a line in the sand? I worry that the tagline of this regime will end up being "they never really went for it."

Also, what’s the chance the Bills are looking for a WR in the 1st round of 2026 anyways? And you get Waddle as a known quantity.

[EssexBill]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

My first thought when I heard this on the radio this morning was I hope they destroy the Phins today.

A Cole Bishop Kelce bomb on Waddle early hopefully 

[Julio Hopkins]

51 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

It’s hard to assign value to an unknown. Yes it’ll be a 1st in 2027 but as we know, there aren’t 32 1st round grades in any given draft. You can’t just say a 2026 1st has the same value as one in 2027. 

 

I understand the logic behind it, but I guess I just disagree.  Future draft picks during the draft are high value currency.  If the Dolphins feel like the 2026 draft class is superior (I don't see it but who knows) and want to move for a particular player that 2027 1st rounder is an untapped oil well to someone looking to move out of their pick.  If they don't see anyone they want, then that 2027 pick is just going to increase in value as the 2027 draft approaches.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Julio Hopkins