Horrible Year To Be Buyers at Trade Deadline

[DapperCam]

Every year is a horrible year to be a buyer in the NFL. This isn't the NHL, big trades during the season just don't happen that often.

[milfandcookies]

Stick with the guys you have. Trades midseason just mess with the team culture 

[streetkings01]

Maybe they’re waiting for Gabe Davis to be cleared?

[Low Positive]

8 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Every year is a horrible year to be a buyer in the NFL. This isn't the NHL, big trades during the season just don't happen that often.

The issue is that there is nothing akin to a "prospect" to trade because the NFL doesn't have a minor league structure. So all that can be traded are picks, which have incredible value because a) unlike in MLB and hockey, rookies play right away in the NFL, and b) rookie salaries are controlled in a capped league. But the Rams traded for OBJ and Von midseason and won a Super Bowl, and the 49ers traded for CMC, so things are changing. 

[ngbills]

Bills adding Brian Thomas Jr and Logan Wilson. I dreamt it so must be happening. Super Bowl odds went from +750 to +500. 

[Kornfed]

It’s a battle of attrition and we still have half of the regular season remaining. WR corps is pretty much the same as last season. Brady somehow forgot how to coach and Josh forgot how to throw? Our chances at a SB are as good as anyone’s. We have to get real lucky and avoid any more major injuries.. Maybe pick up a speed receiver. (What is Shavers?) I think the O will come back around. So maybe we oughta stop crying. It’s gunna take a little luck. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, milfandcookies said:

Stick with the guys you have. Trades midseason just mess with the team culture 

Can't remember one instance where we traded for a guy that messed with the team culture. Cooper? Nyheim Hines? Douglas? Mayyyyybe I could give you Kelvin Benjamin.

1 hour ago, streetkings01 said:

Maybe they’re waiting for Gabe Davis to be cleared?

Better question is will that happen at all this year?

9 minutes ago, Kornfed said:

It’s a battle of attrition and we still have half of the regular season remaining. WR corps is pretty much the same as last season. Brady somehow forgot how to coach and Josh forgot how to throw? Our chances at a SB are as good as anyone’s. We have to get real lucky and avoid any more major injuries.. Maybe pick up a speed receiver. (What is Shavers?) I think the O will come back around. So maybe we oughta stop crying. It’s gunna take a little luck. 

Well that's been the issue every year. Or WRs are "pretty much" the same as last year. Only it's not. They haven't replaced guys we have lost through the years with equal or better. Talent coming in has always been a step or two below what we had. Over time it's eroded to a bunch of guys that can't make plays.

[Augie]

Better to be a buyer in a tough year than a seller. Nobody wants to be a seller. You’re only selling if you suck. 

 

 

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Edited 6 hours ago by Augie

[corta765]

2 hours ago, Process said:

It's always a bad year to be buyers at the trade deadline..... Ideally, your team gets built properly in the off-season

 

I have always viewed the trade deadline as a time to accent your lineup, not make wholesale changes. The Rams are the popular one people bring up because of the Von trade in 21' and Super Bowl win.. but at the time of the trade they were 7-1. He was very solid addition, but that roster was already in a really good place when it happened.

 

The Bills with the injuries on defense and major hole at WR would need some wholesale changes to really change everything to the desired outcome. Instead what probably happens is possibly trade for a useful solid outside WR, either a FA DT signing or maybe a late round pick for someone who fits what they do, and Gabe Davis is also added to the roster to help shore up the outside WR. I keep seeing a lot of big names like Olave or Waddle which would be a pipe dream, but with the way the sellers are and how I don't see Beane moving capital I think they go with a more holistic grounded approach. 

[BillsShredder83]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm sorry, did you say TWO 1st's and a 3rd... for Jordan Addison?!

 

I mean, I like Addison. But that's insane. Tyreek Hill went for a 1st, a 2nd, 2 4th's, and a 6th in 2022. We got Stefon Diggs in 2020 for a 1st, a 5th, and a 6th. Addison isn't 2020 Diggs or 2022 Tyreek.

 

I get the idea of trying to blow someone away with a trade. But if we're trading away multiple 1st's and a 3rd - it had better be a Top 10 WR1 in the league. That would be a major overpay. That's like a Quarterback trade.

I did, and I'm spit balling maybe got overzealous.  However, he's cost controlled through this year, and '26 & '27 (team option).  From there you could franchise if needed for '28.  That's 3 well below market years under control.  A rising star.  Vikes are cross conference, no issues there.  Vikes are deluding themselves into being a contender this year, you g2 slap them with an offer good enough to get them out of lying to themselves, and to sell to the roster/coaches/fans. 

 

WR's are incredibly valuable/costly and impossible to obtain with a later pick. Our first round picks are late in the round.  Josh is not getting younger, and this puts us a leg up on every other team, in the most wide open playoff race I can remember.  Two 1's and a 3, is not that much more than the cost of trading up to get a WR in mid-rounds, missing, and then taking another shot in a different year.....

 

when you look at our swings and misses at the position, we don't scout it well... and theres no more sunken costs in chasing half-measures. 

 

1.  $10m Samuel.

2.  2nd rd Keon (jury still out, but hes ceiling is well below a #1, with floor at a #3/#4)

3.  That other Saints WR who I already forget the name of from 2 years ago

4. Josh Palmer jury is very still up in the air, it could have some legs down the road, but he wasnt/probably isnt going to be the guy this year

 

Everything else is sort of rounding into shape with Hairston back, Hancock putting out solid tape.  Hoecht looks like a massive WIN.  

 

Addison is playing 2nd fiddle to JJ, and is nowhere near his ceiling.  WR and Addison puts us over the top. I'm getting dragged a bit above with the "wheres anyone hearing Addison available".... i get it, its not being reported.  Hes not on the block.  Theyre a little frustrated with him, they cant pay JJ & Addison... they need a QB againnnn.  I think a solid offer could benefit both teams. They probably don't WANT to move him yet... but with their unsolved problems and QB play this year, could they really refuse to do it a year early? Maybe... but it just makes so much sense for both parties to me.

 

Draftpicks are over valued, and we showed an interest before.  We have relationship w/ team from previous deal.  Go get some rings this year, figure the rest out next year with a pretty damn well rounded roster.  I think we've all forgot what Josh looked like with a Diggs catching balls.

[corta765]

3 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

If you are getting a defensive replacement for Oliver it still may have an impact but I fear that any weapon we might get on offense is going to be neutralized by Brady's inability to use him. The person in question would have to be elite and develop quick chemistry with Josh. Such a player seems to be unavailable and we cant afford unless Beane trades high picks. 

I reallyyy hated his response yesterday that they can pass it if they want and he referenced the BAL game. That is great and all but the BAL went prevent D when you went off on them and when you played Atlanta you couldn't pass worth a lick. I do believe McD has wanted this team to run the ball more as they excel at it and it plays into his hand where they control the game which typically leads to turnovers and both sides rolling. My issue is what happens in a game like ATL and you have to pass? I am honestly curious the next game they need to play catch up and if the offense can really do so.

 

I could see them adding Bradin Cooks cheap and then Gabe Davis as a stop gap and hoping for the best. Like you said not sure they can actually use it right and not sure either have the mileage left to be useful. Cooper at least still had a reputation that forced Ds to adjust all year in 24', Davis and/or Cooks not sure you get that impact.

[jahnyc]

I know we need a true boundary WR, but give me Calais Campbell and a safety, and I will view that as probably the best we can do considering what talent may be available at the trading deadline.  I believe Campbell has a relationship with Rousseau and there must be more available safety talent compared to WR talent.

[Process]

15 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I have always viewed the trade deadline as a time to accent your lineup, not make wholesale changes. The Rams are the popular one people bring up because of the Von trade in 21' and Super Bowl win.. but at the time of the trade they were 7-1. He was very solid addition, but that roster was already in a really good place when it happened.

 

The Bills with the injuries on defense and major hole at WR would need some wholesale changes to really change everything to the desired outcome. Instead what probably happens is possibly trade for a useful solid outside WR, either a FA DT signing or maybe a late round pick for someone who fits what they do, and Gabe Davis is also added to the roster to help shore up the outside WR. I keep seeing a lot of big names like Olave or Waddle which would be a pipe dream, but with the way the sellers are and how I don't see Beane moving capital I think they go with a more holistic grounded approach. 

Yea exactly. It's never good to need a WR1 in November. 

[BillsShredder83]

4 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I reallyyy hated his response yesterday that they can pass it if they want and he referenced the BAL game. That is great and all but the BAL went prevent D when you went off on them and when you played Atlanta you couldn't pass worth a lick. I do believe McD has wanted this team to run the ball more as they excel at it and it plays into his hand where they control the game which typically leads to turnovers and both sides rolling. My issue is what happens in a game like ATL and you have to pass? I am honestly curious the next game they need to play catch up and if the offense can really do so.

 

I could see them adding Bradin Cooks cheap and then Gabe Davis as a stop gap and hoping for the best. Like you said not sure they can actually use it right and not sure either have the mileage left to be useful. Cooper at least still had a reputation that forced Ds to adjust all year in 24', Davis and/or Cooks not sure you get that impact.

Bingo! We are not built for catch up... which sucks with how our defense has been playing.  We are a #1 WR away from being able to boat race any team we want if/as needed.  I want to build early leads and play ahead too, our DL is built to stop the pass (at the expense of run stopping).  What better way to lean into that then trying to get 10-14 points on the board early, and let the DL hunt.  More of what they like - pass rushing... less of their weakness - the run game.

 

I'll also add, that a team playing behind, with a ton of defensive pressure is going to make Max EXTRA dangerous.  In fact, with the extra youth/athleticism we had out there, Bishop/Hancock can be a lot more dangerous vs a team forced to throw, and we know they have to. Its a formula for turnovers.  I'm not asking for the '99 Rams playbook... but I think phase 1 of our game should be to get max points on the board early... play action, intermediate chunk plays. Keep Cook involved in both...  As we build a lead, work towards defensive gameplan that encourages turnovers.... 2nd half, we can start leaning more heavily into the 'control the ball' plan, we love so much.

 

You g2 be able to move the ball through the air consistently, to do any of that though

[BlazinBill]

I mean isn’t getting old that every single year we seem to need to bring another unproven WR and we have to hope it magically just changes everything- it’s criminal to have the unicorn we have just to keep cutting off the horn 

no excuse to just have him work hard and shoulder everything and god forbid someone question Beane about it during the time frame he should of done something- bro criticism helps us grow and your job is to filed a team- how bout looking in the mirror before being an ass and embarrassing yourself 

WGR should just play that response from him during every commercial break.

[BillsShredder83]

21 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:

I mean isn’t getting old that every single year we seem to need to bring another unproven WR and we have to hope it magically just changes everything- it’s criminal to have the unicorn we have just to keep cutting off the horn 

no excuse to just have him work hard and shoulder everything and god forbid someone question Beane about it during the time frame he should of done something- bro criticism helps us grow and your job is to filed a team- how bout looking in the mirror before being an ass and embarrassing yourself 

WGR should just play that response from him during every commercial break.

I think all the hooplah around here about that interview is the most overblown topic on this site that I've seen since I can't remember when. 

 

Beane was a bit prickly that day, but at the same time, he did what leaders do and stuck up for his guys.  I think some personal frustration seeped into his response too.  I 100% think he had the wrong delivery, and thats the only reason its noteworthy, but thats what I want a guy in management to do 100 of 100 times... Stand Up for Your Guys when they aren't around to defend themselves. Criticism (constructive or not), serves nobody when public facing in the 4 major leagues.

 

We're not privy to all the FA's/attempted trades we've unsuccessfully attempted to lure into (Metcalf?) the building.  Nor are we aware of all attempts to move around the draft board, that just didn't pan out.  WR's havent exactly been falling off of trees the last few years. Beane needs to shoulder the load of having given that extension to Diggs when he did, knowing what we know now.  It lead to him having to offload a toxic asset prematurely, and eating a dead cap hit to do so.

 

In no way do I think we went into that offseason, thinking a deal needed to be made.  We were going to try and tread water with it another year... Diggs blew that up.  When he inked that deal, it seemed like a no-brainer, squash the one gripe the guy had... I don't think anyone saw that bipolar mental episode coming, def not at the extension, and def not at that point in the offseason when we unloaded him.

 

It's easy to point to Minnesota and say "he did it while he was there!"  That's one data point. The guy had some credible gripes too. Contract. Playing 2nd fiddle to other WR's... being on a run heavy team.  We took a chance on a good WR, taking the next step, hoping he'd become great. Diggs did that. He balled out and put his heart in maybe more than anyone on those 2021 + 2022 teams.  Predictably, things like that can break a guy, especially a diva.

 

Beane deserves criticism for his part in those decisions, but he didn't make them wholly himself.  That episode REALLY screwed up our timeline... and I agree overall, he hasnt done enough at the position, but I dont know how many legit chances he's had to add the fix we need either.

 

TL:DR  I'm behind Beane doing what he shouldve been doing, supporting his guys when spotlit in the media.  Anything resembling criticism needs to happen behind closed doors.  Justtttt Maybe next time lay-off the caffeine before sounding off B.B. and that's the real mistake here, hand serving a sound bite to the media

Edited 5 hours ago by BillsShredder83

[The Frankish Reich]

14 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

If Olave can’t be had then get Shaheed

 

at the very least he has legit top speed to concern defenses. One would hope he can generate more separation than Keon Coleman

Don't sleep on Devaughn Vele. Maybe the Saints want to move one of the starters and give Vele a chance, but right now it looks like they don't value him. He's the one I'd want.

[Ayjent]

Just because names aren't out there doesn't mean that they aren't the subject of discussion amongst teams.  I don't see the Bills making much of a move that matters in any event.  I'd love the BTJ thing to be true because that would be the best asset at WR out there and meet the needs the Bills have, but I'm guessing that is more noise than anything.  I think there are plenty of teams that would move pieces for the right price, but that price is usually too high for any sane GM to pay.

 

[RyanC883]

never great to be a "buyer" now, Bean should have gotten his job done in the offseason/draft.  We are now need a WR and DT because Bean refused to adequately (WR) or successfuly address those areas.  

[The Frankish Reich]

We're gonna get some WR. I'm sure of that. No way this team is going into the second half with the WR room we have now.