What's wrong with Josh?

[jaybeezee]

3 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I didn't say he hand picked Knoxx,  I said he got him his extension. You should take a nap and come back when your eyesite is much clearer.

During the draft, Josh Allen texted Brandon Beane " Dalton Kincaid". Beane stated this himself. Tge Bills then traded up to draft him.

 

To be fair, Kincaid is the least of my problems on offense. Keon and Knoxx are!

 

The point is was making is that Josh has the power if he so desires to use it to make Beane get him better weapons. He actually had one with Diggs but we all know what happend with that. 

 

Any great receiver is gonna want the ball and be a diva of sorts. Jefferson is pissed about things in Minny right now, Chase had complained in the past as well. Top flight players want the ball and everyone eats is not gonna attract these types of guys to the Bills. Our GM damm sure cannot draft them!

52 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Aka you dont know.

And are regurgitating what others said.

I cannot pull up exact plays with time stamps from my phone.

 

You are able to do so because you are doing nothing but criticizing,  so maybe go outside and rake your lawn or something, if you have a lawn that is!

[jaybeezee]

14 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Yes, he handpicked Keon. And told Beane to trade down while the Chiefs, Niners and Panthers all selected receivers immediately after.

 

To ensure the Bills picked the right guy, Josh dressed up in a Chiefs #1 jersey and choked out his mother and then framed Worthy for the crime. He then flew down south and surgically implanted marbles in Leggette's mouth so you couldn't understand a word he was saying. He then booked a flight home to Firebaugh, but took a detour through SF where he shot Pearsall.

 

If I were Ladd McConkey, I'd hire the best private security money can buy.

I want some of whatever you're smoking, drinking or shooting. You should probably be working for Disney with an imagination like that!

 

I also wish I had time on my hands like you do to think up responses like this. 

 

Seeing how you do have the time, try googling Josh Allen asked Beane for Kincaid on draft day, prior to them drafting him.

[jaybeezee]

DK could've been had for a second rounder. Pickens for a 6th.

 

Ladd Mckonkey could've been drafted for a second round pick. I won't even mention Worthy, but if we continue to look for boyscouts with great personalities,  then this is what we will end up with. The majority of the ultra takented new generation of players are not boyscouts. Heck we drafted a small, fast DB that had rape charges accusations. 

 

It's very clear that our HC and GM know nothing about offense at all, and their drafts prove it!

 

 

[jaybeezee]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Aka you dont know.

And are regurgitating what others said.

Others that watched the same film and aren't homers. People on here act like if you make any comment about Josh not playing to his standards and having really bad stretches of games, that we are completely down on him. That is not the case. We are/were in our SB window and many feel like that is fading pretty fast. It doesnt help when Josh makes statements like he has been this year..... " Its not SB or bust", and he is more than a Football player. We know that he is more than a FB player, but for him to say that after a loss, is a much bigger statement than some people on this board want to admit!

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

JA has had so many different WR groupings from speed.. to now this. my opinion JA needs mroe speed and less of the big boys. 

Not sure of what he needs. But it aint what he Has right now  lol

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

More than one thing can be true at once

 

1.  We don’t have great receivers

2.  Allen is off his game.  
3.  The passing game scheme is not ideal

 

the receivers thing gets overblown IMO and while more talent is better and I acknowledge the lack of high level talent but the passing game can be effective with who they have.  The key is two and three which does not require making new rare earth people appear.  

Surely you can agree Josh does not have a reliable speed and hands threat such as he did with John Brown ?

That might put Allen back On His Game and improve the the Passing Scheme.

There's opportunities to fix that for few more days I suspect 🧐

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, BillytheKid said:

Can put this here or in Keon thread but Steve explains why Josh is getting off of Keon so quick and how he actually isn’t open even though people get in the comments and say he is open Josh didn’t wait long enough. 
 

Steve explains why those people are wrong and Keon is a bust. 

I actually watched most of this very casual dialogue

 Two clips but Smith made his point about Keon

Not helping Josh was their conclusion and not improving fast or far enough for the NFL

 Be something to really watch before deadline

[SCBills]

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Surely you can agree Josh does not have a reliable speed and hands threat such as he did with John Brown ?

That might put Allen back On His Game and improve the the Passing Scheme.

There's opportunities to fix that for few more days I suspect 🧐

Don’t call me shirley

[TFBillsfan]

47 minutes ago, SCBills said:

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

Don’t disagree with anything they said. Josh is currently 20th in passing yards! 20th! Shakir comes in at 45th in passing yards and Kincaid 58th. And yet Brady says he has no concerns with the passing game. 
 

They’ve neutered Josh from passing deep! I believe one completed pass of 20 yards or more this season. Adding insult to injury, they’ve also reduced his other super power with running. I’d rather see Josh take off running more if the WR isn’t open. Outside of Shakir hardly any of the other receivers know what to do while Josh is scrambling.
 

 So instead of everyone asking what’s wrong with Josh, that question should be what’s wrong with Beane, McDermott and Brady that believe in this approach and philosophy? 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

I actually watched most of this very casual dialogue

 Two clips but Smith made his point about Keon

Not helping Josh was their conclusion and not improving fast or far enough for the NFL

 Be something to really watch before deadline

He certainly makes his point verbally but the two clips he showed were terrible examples to represent what he’s getting at. 
 

The first is a reception where the DB is playing well off coverage on a slant. This doesn’t highlight anything he’s discussing (separation, awareness, etc.)

 

The second is a terribly constructed route combination of 2 on 3 in a zone that spanned about 5 yards of the football field. He can argue lazy route and loafing on this but again there is just so much at play here. 
 

If anything was lazy it’s that Smith didn’t take the 10 minutes he could have to find actual examples that reflect his more valid criticisms. He did that in his review last year. 
 

Again I’m not disagreeing with his analysis but he film review was weak. There are 3 plays alone in the first half that Keon was open later, or could have been targeted and Allen got off him quickly. I don’t know why he wouldn’t use these examples. 

[Shortchaz]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

I would say that anyone that thinks josh needs a vertical threat hasn’t watched josh throw a vertical ball. It’s not his strength. I would go as far as to say he sucks at it. If the argument is that it opens things up underneath, okay. He isn’t (ever) going to complete long passes because he has little ability to do it. He throws a line-drive ball. Little to no touch. It’s not a strength for him.

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

I would say that anyone that thinks josh needs a vertical threat hasn’t watched josh throw a vertical ball. It’s not his strength. I would go as far as to say he sucks at it. If the argument is that it opens things up underneath, okay. He isn’t (ever) going to complete long passes because he has little ability to do it. He throws a line-drive ball. Little to no touch. It’s not a strength for him.

The long ball to Gabe Davis in the playoffs against the Chiefs, the long ball to Robert Foster against the Jags, and the other long ball to Davis against the Steelers were things of beauty. Perfect downfield shots, like extended handoffs. I get that downfield passes are low percentage in general, but I do wonder why someone with an arm as strong as Josh’s couldn’t be more accurate.
 

Remember last year when Kincaid was wide open and got injured going after a badly thrown pass? The pass to Josh Palmer against the Falcons to start the game would’ve been an easy TD too if thrown better, but we were all just so happy it managed to get there. I wonder if Allen works on this particular pass in the offseason. At least Mahomes kinda sucks with it too.

[BillytheKid]

2 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

I would say that anyone that thinks josh needs a vertical threat hasn’t watched josh throw a vertical ball. It’s not his strength. I would go as far as to say he sucks at it. If the argument is that it opens things up underneath, okay. He isn’t (ever) going to complete long passes because he has little ability to do it. He throws a line-drive ball. Little to no touch. It’s not a strength for him.

You don’t understand why they would need a vertical threat then? lol 

 

You get a vertical threat to open everything else up. Also Allen isn’t as bad as you make him out to be on deep balls, most quarterbacks miss their deep balls. Not saying Allen is the best at it but there are many reasons to have a deep threat and Allen has completed plenty of deep balls that people definitely have to respect if they have a deep threat. 

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

NFL Live taking a flamethrower to Beane and Brady. 
 

 

 

“They gotta find ways to get guys open”

 

Yes… that is what’s “wrong” with Josh. Perfectly said.

[Gregg]

The biggest problem Allen has.

 

[zow2]

Watched him closely last weekend vs Carolina, I can honestly say he still looks like he's not having any fun. Dead eyes.  Any brief enjoyment is forced.  He's frustrated by his performance, his accuracy, probably questioning himself.  The WRs beyond Shakir are woefully unproductive but a great QB should still be able to make more plays out of nothing.  He's not a great pocket passer.   Against KC, he should just say eff-it, start running around and get back to the guy he used to be.  Making plays on the fly.

[Brand J]

25 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Watched him closely last weekend vs Carolina, I can honestly say he still looks like he's not having any fun. Dead eyes.  Any brief enjoyment is forced.  He's frustrated by his performance, his accuracy, probably questioning himself.  The WRs beyond Shakir are woefully unproductive but a great QB should still be able to make more plays out of nothing.  He's not a great pocket passer.   Against KC, he should just say eff-it, start running around and get back to the guy he used to be.  Making plays on the fly.

I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t play much better against KC. He’s always been a gamer that way against the more marquee matchups, the Baltimore game at M&T last year the exception. 

[RunTheBall]

Josh seems to have lost his mojo a little bit. I think he’ll snap back. I’d start him off against the Chiefs with a quick rhythm pass and a designed QB power run to let him lower his shoulder. 

 

It’s all mental. You can see it in his eyes. Where’s the fire? He’s got that deer in the headlights look he used to get.

 

He’s definitely in a funk, but the great ones get themselves out of it. Hopefully he’ll be back on a roll for the playoffs if we get there.

 

[HOUSE]

1st down, run Cook, 2 yards

2nd down, nobody is open. Josh scramble 2 yards

3rd down, what the hell nobody is open, 5 yards pass to Shaiker..

4th down punt.