What's wrong with Josh?

[oldmanfan]

Brady needs to work on a route tree that gets guys open.  Whatever happened to the 4+1 formation from last year?  That said, I think Josh is battling some injuries.  There were some wide open throws he missed badly today.

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I've noticed he takes a long while to warm up to new WRs, and he's playing like he doesn't trust anyone who isn't Kincaid or Shakir. 

It’s because they suck. Seriously.

[Marcus Aurelius]

17 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

He missed a couple wide open receivers today.  Maybe playing with that wedding band is affecting his throwing motion

I fear he is being "Yoko Ono'd" 

[BUFFALOBART]

15 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

He missed a couple wide open receivers today.  Maybe playing with that wedding band is affecting his throwing motion

That, and the over $300m contract, might've 'softened him up', a tad. It happens. 

We aren't seeing any 'angry runs', but we are seeing Josh surrendering to the rush. 

I recall when Fitz signed his $60 million deal, his playing had a pretty noticeable falloff. 

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He said it himself postgame 

 

He's not trusting his feet.. a quarterback has to hit his drop and stop overthinking

 

he's overthinking... It happens to every quarterback at some points.. we've said this for years but we always go back to the all 22 and then our guys open underneath that he doesn't hit occasionally.. not saying he's missing wide open guys all game.. just he sometimes Misses guys.. but if you're only throwing 25 times every time he misses and amplified compared to 45

 

We had people here saying Josh Allen was going to retire in a couple years lol he's literally not even going to hit his peak till his 32 , he is still growing 

 

And he's already an MVP... Defensive coordinators are paid a lot of money and they're throwing everything they can to confuse Josh Allen and they know what does work after all these years 

 

You just have to keep growing.. Josh is not a finished product today still

 

There is still a better version of Josh Allen that nobody has ever seen that is still untapped

Id argue Josh is past his prime as a physical runner.

 

He doesn’t look nearly as fast or hard to bring down scrambling this year imo.

[realtruelove]

He's got the shanks.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, FireChans said:

Id argue Josh is past his prime as a physical runner.

 

He doesn’t look nearly as fast or hard to bring down scrambling this year imo.

Maybe his juice to have that 65-yard touchdown is gone.. but I think he's also in a conundrum 

 

You see it every time he leaves the pocket he can't tell to throw or run.. his instincts are telling him to run but the coaching is telling him to stay behind the line and throw and it's making a lot of could be 7 8 9 yd gains ... Into an incomplete pass 

 

Part of me thinks come January.. Josh is making very decisive decisions including going up the gut which used to be his specialty 

 

I agree though he's not running with the same ferocity though it might be to keep him healthier and he's been come January

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Maybe his juice to have that 65-yard touchdown is gone.. but I think he's also in a conundrum 

 

You see it every time he leaves the pocket he can't tell to throw or run.. his instincts are telling him to run but the coaching is telling him to stay behind the line and throw and it's making a lot of could be 7 8 9 yd gains ... Into an incomplete pass 

 

Part of me thinks come January.. Josh is making very decisive decisions including going up the gut which used to be his specialty 

 

I agree though he's not running with the same ferocity though it might be to keep him healthier and he's been come January

That’s exactly how it looks to me coupled with the blitz pickups being pretty bad the last few weeks and hurting his confidence. 
 

I don’t think he really scrambles with the intent to pick up rushing yards unless he knows he’s got a huge gain he can slide at the end of.  Playoffs will be full send from Josh I’m sure 

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, Process said:

He's in a slump. He gets in a slump at some point every single season.

 

Nothing new and nothing to be too concerned with. If he's still playing poorly in a couple weeks at his second home ( Miami) I'll start to worry. 

he’s taken a few hits. I wouldn’t be surprised if in addition to the nose he maybe has some ribs acting up, etc… 

 

nothing to be gained telling us 

 

but narratively it would kind of tie through to a few of the question marks. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That’s exactly how it looks to me coupled with the blitz pickups being pretty bad the last few weeks and hurting his confidence. 
 

I don’t think he really scrambles with the intent to pick up rushing yards unless he knows he’s got a huge gain he can slide at the end of.  Playoffs will be full send from Josh I’m sure 

Yes.. years past he's taking every 7-8-9 yard chunk he can

 

Now he's willing to run around even do a ballerina and spin around and make people Miss behind the line of scrimmage just to throw it 

 

I don't think he's going to do that in January

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

he’s taken a few hits. I wouldn’t be surprised if in addition to the nose he maybe has some ribs acting up, etc… 

 

nothing to be gained telling us 

 

but narratively it would kind of tie through to a few of the question marks. 

 

Looked like he hurt his wrist a couple weeks ago if I recall correctly

[thenorthremembers]

21 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

It does explain it if he's trying to do something that isn't in his nature...which would include being a game manager if you ask me

 

Josh needs to be Josh. Any other version of him will not be what he's supposed to be, and it might look like he has looked these past few games

This idea of game manager I assume comes from seeing the Bills as a run 1st offense.  Do you really think the Bills would be good throwing it 40 times a game?   If Josh needs to throw it 40 times a game to play well or find a rhythm maybe he isnt as good as we all think he is.

[Allen2Moulds]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He said it himself postgame 

 

He's not trusting his feet.. a quarterback has to hit his drop and stop overthinking

 

he's overthinking... It happens to every quarterback at some points.. we've said this for years but we always go back to the all 22 and then our guys open underneath that he doesn't hit occasionally.. not saying he's missing wide open guys all game.. just he sometimes Misses guys.. but if you're only throwing 25 times every time he misses and amplified compared to 45

 

We had people here saying Josh Allen was going to retire in a couple years lol he's literally not even going to hit his peak till his 32 , he is still growing 

 

And he's already an MVP... Defensive coordinators are paid a lot of money and they're throwing everything they can to confuse Josh Allen and they know what does work after all these years 

 

You just have to keep growing.. Josh is not a finished product today still

 

There is still a better version of Josh Allen that nobody has ever seen that is still untapped

If you rewatch that Patriots game, he absolutely got hammered. Hasn't been right since. That's why we have to do everything we can, to not allow teams to load up and tee off.

[Brandon]

He didn't just forget how to play.  I think it's much more likely that he doesn't trust his receivers and/or his pass protection and it's affecting his play.  

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes.. years past he's taking every 7-8-9 yard chunk he can

 

Now he's willing to run around even do a ballerina and spin around and make people Miss behind the line of scrimmage just to throw it 

 

I don't think he's going to do that in January

 

Looked like he hurt his wrist a couple weeks ago if I recall correctly

Something like that could easily tie through to bailing from the pocket a little more quickly, and not being as eager to run himself

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Allen2Moulds said:

If you rewatch that Patriots game, he absolutely got hammered. Hasn't been right since. That's why we have to do everything we can, to not allow teams to load up and tee off.

Thank goodness he's the toughest cookie in the NFL

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Maybe his juice to have that 65-yard touchdown is gone.. but I think he's also in a conundrum 

 

You see it every time he leaves the pocket he can't tell to throw or run.. his instincts are telling him to run but the coaching is telling him to stay behind the line and throw and it's making a lot of could be 7 8 9 yd gains ... Into an incomplete pass 

 

Part of me thinks come January.. Josh is making very decisive decisions including going up the gut which used to be his specialty 

 

I agree though he's not running with the same ferocity though it might be to keep him healthier and he's been come January

I’m not sure Josh Allen is the kind of guy to have two levels of intensity. 
 

I think when Brady calls a QB sweep in the regular season and in the postseason, he runs just as hard.

 

i just think he’s lost that little bit of  extra juice.

[JohninMinn.]

Marriage might be a factor.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I’m not sure Josh Allen is the kind of guy to have two levels of intensity. 
 

I think when Brady calls a QB sweep in the regular season and in the postseason, he runs just as hard.

 

i just think he’s lost that little bit of  extra juice.

True but how many quarterback sweeps are we calling? 

 

None today .. I agree on a quarterback run Josh is always playing with full intensity .. and he's always playing football with high intensity.. I'm just saying when he leaves the pocket he used to have more decisiveness.. now he's caught between throwing and running which might be preservation for the long game

 

6 years ago third and three we go five wide you know Josh Allen was going quarterback draw up the gut.. we don't see that that much but maybe because defenses are taking that away

Edited 10 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Bill51390]

Teams figuring out we have no receivers, get the pressure on Allen, even if he scrambles can’t find anyone. Defenses aren’t afraid of being beat deep. Offense is easy to defend. Thankfully we have cook and great run blocking. 

[gobills404]

I think Hailee Steinfeld is part of a satanic Hollywood cult and she’s stealing Josh’s natural talent and life force to further her acting career.

Edited 10 hours ago by gobills404