TheBeaneBandit Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 38 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: The way they're burning through Josh Allen's prime with boneheaded and arrogant management of the WR room is the kind of thing that folks will look back on in despair if they don't course correct in a major way. Bro🤘 1 Quote
Nihilarian Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 11 hours ago, oldmanfan said: The last time? Palmer in the opening drive the last game they played. Yes, exactly, a 45-yard bomb to Josh Palmer, and that first Buffalo series ended with a 19-yard TD to Dawson Knox. The result of that series after that deep pass was a TD. The next series resulted in a 15-yard pass to Shakir that was called back as incomplete. After that, the Falcons get the ball and score again. Now come all the miscues by the Buffalo offensive line, with two sacks, a punt. Another Falcon TD from a run for 81 yards. The next five series for Buffalo ended with four punts, and lastly, an interception. Penalties, sacks, turnovers, and 2 of 9 on third down. Buffalo 157 passing yards. It was clear that the Bills' defense stunk in the first half; they held their own in the second. It was the offense that failed in this game. 291 yards to 443. Buffalo lost the turnover battle and ToP. The biggest factor was the Buffalo offensive line's failure to give Josh Allen time to throw. Dalton Kincade was out, and Josh Palmer was out injured after 2 pass plays for 60 yards. Gotta hand it to that Falcon defense that is #1 against passes attempted and passing yards. The Falcons, coming off a bye week, were ready to face the Bills on MNF, and Buffalo didn't look ready to face that Falcon defense at all. 2 Quote
jahnyc Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Beane can always use the injury excuse as to why he needed to make a move at WR. Hopefully, this will give him enough coverage to be comfortable making a move that is critical for the team. 1 1 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago (edited) On 10/21/2025 at 4:48 PM, Warriorspikes51 said: Sign Lockett Waive Moore Trade for Olave Waive Shavers (PS sign) Promote Davis to 53 Olave Shakir Lockett Samuel Coleman Davis realistic? NO Beane will do nothing Jerry Jeudy could be an interesting target that hasn’t been mentioned much lately guessing he can generate a good amount of separation. Browns can give us their Safety too A couple days ago you posted this and I was a little taken aback that you made an acquisition post that was somewhat based in realism (although I'm out on 33 y/o Lockett). Obtaining Olave and elevating Davis to replace Moore and Shavers spots on the 53 seems to me the best slightly possible scenario we could hope for. 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: this is encouraging! I’ll guess if we make a move it’s Meyers Based on the comments from Schultz it almost seems like there’s a chance both Saints WR’s could be packaged together. Would be pretty exciting if we acquired Olave + Shaheed. 1st, 4th, Samuel and throw in Moore 43 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Olave Shakir Palmer Shaheed Coleman go for it And with one tweet from a legit reporter that we may be in the market and discussion about Olave/Shaheed by another - the realism is gone. We have a chance to get one of them and we should be thrilled if we're able to pull one off. But both? No way. They aren't trading both of them. The tweet talks about how they're unlikely to be able to keep both, so one *may* be traded to help ensure the other. They won't trade both. Even if they did, we wouldn't sign up for multiple WR's that need to learn the playbook and develop chemistry with Josh mid-season. Fingers crossed we can make a deal with New Orleans. But it won't be that one. Edited 17 hours ago by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Quote
Pete Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 1 minute ago, Nihilarian said: Yes, exactly, a 45-yard bomb to Josh Palmer, and that first Buffalo series ended with a 19-yard TD to Dawson Knox. The result of that series after that deep pass was a TD. The next series resulted in a 15-yard pass to Shakir that was called back as incomplete. After that, the Falcons get the ball and score again. Now come all the miscues by the Buffalo offensive line, with two sacks, a punt. Another Falcon TD from a run for 81 yards. The next five series for Buffalo ended with four punts, and lastly, an interception. Penalties, sacks, turnovers, and 2 of 9 on third down. Buffalo 157 passing yards. It was clear that the Bills' defense stunk in the first half; they held their own in the second. It was the offense that failed in this game. 291 yards to 443. Buffalo lost the turnover battle and ToP. The biggest factor was the Buffalo offensive line's failure to give Josh Allen time to throw. Dalton Kincade was out, and Josh Palmer was out injured after 2 pass plays for 60 yards. Gotta hand it to that Falcon defense that is #1 against passes attempted and passing yards. The Falcons, coming off a bye week, were ready to face the Bills on MNF, and Buffalo didn't look ready to face that Falcon defense at all. The OL wasn’t perfect, but Allen often had over 4 seconds. Marino and Cover 1 said film showed Josh bailing clean pockets, turning down 1st and 2nd options(which were open), and sometimes making up mind to run before the snap. It was one of Allen’s worst games. Allen made some great throws too. But he caused much of the pressure himself 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 56 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Olave Shakir Palmer Shaheed Coleman go for it In our collective dreams !~😂 Saints might only give up one of those. If that .. And we should go for both anyways😋 Start the bidding McBeanes !! 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 54 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: The way they're burning through Josh Allen's prime with boneheaded and arrogant management of the WR room is the kind of thing that folks will look back on in despair if they don't course correct in a major way. Hopefully the organization can see that the fanbase has quickly turned from applauding Beane's WGR outburst to openly rooting for us to trade for a WR. Every Bills podcaster, beat reporter, etc. is on the Chris Olave train now. Every Bills account on Twitter is talking about it. That stuff shouldn't matter but it does. If the organization senses that the fans are getting restless, hopefully that makes them feel compelled to make a move. It sucks that we had to watch an obviously doomed to fail strategy play out before getting to this point, but we're here now and I hope Beane can swallow his pride and do the right thing. 2 4 Quote
Norcalbillsfan Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 27 minutes ago, jahnyc said: Beane can always use the injury excuse as to why he needed to make a move at WR. Hopefully, this will give him enough coverage to be comfortable making a move that is critical for the team. I was thinking this exact thing haha. Theres been alot of talking about if beane can swallow his pride after his rant on wgr, I think he can use the palmer injury to cushion his pride Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Hopefully the organization can see that the fanbase has quickly turned from applauding Beane's WGR outburst to openly rooting for us to trade for a WR. Every Bills podcaster, beat reporter, etc. is on the Chris Olave train now. Every Bills account on Twitter is talking about it. That stuff shouldn't matter but it does. If the organization senses that the fans are getting restless, hopefully that makes them feel compelled to make a move. It sucks that we had to watch an obviously doomed to fail strategy play out before getting to this point, but we're here now and I hope Beane can swallow his pride and do the right thing. That's my biggest concern - Beane not allowing people to say the simple morning radio host was right and he the prolific GM of the team was wrong. Especially in the arrogant way he went about that exchange. If we were to make a move, I could easily see the national media replaying that outburst back and calling him out for it. I worry he doesn't have the ability to swallow his pride and eat that kind of humble pie. Everyone wants Olave in a Bills uniform. Me included. If it were a 1 year rental, it would be easier. But with a full year and a half under contract - it won't be a small price. We'd probably have to include Samuel to help clear space as well, who has negative trade value. Which would make the compensation even more. The price for that would be fairly steep. Would Beane make that kind of move for a guy he only has for a year and a half with no guarantee beyond that? On the flip side, would he feel comfortable locking him up long term before seeing how he fits in the Offense and given his injury history? And given his history and the way the team looks, there's a scenario where you lose him and potentially the highest 1st we've had in a while. Lots of variables that make it tricky, even without taking into account the humility he'd have to show. If we can get it done for something like a 2nd in 2026 and a 3rd (maybe a 2nd if we have to) in 2027 with Samuel, i'd pull the trigger. But idk about a 1st and that might be a deal breaker. Fingers crossed though. Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote
Chaos Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 42 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: But idk about a 1st What are you afraid of missing out on by not having a late first round pick? 1 1 1 1 Quote
Nihilarian Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, Pete said: The OL wasn’t perfect, but Allen often had over 4 seconds. Marino and Cover 1 said film showed Josh bailing clean pockets, turning down 1st and 2nd options(which were open), and sometimes making up mind to run before the snap. It was one of Allen’s worst games. Allen made some great throws too. But he caused much of the pressure himself It was so different to see Allen look so ordinary and rattled, and it reminded me of his early NFL days, where Daboll would just keep calling for pass plays that weren't working. I should have said it was early in the second quarter that Josh was sacked twice in a row, which started things. Allow me to restate that it was on Joe Brady more so than the line. You would think he would have seen that Atlanta was so good at pressuring the QB and stopping the pass that he would have run the ball more. Cook was 17 of 87, a 5.1 YPC AVG, while Allen was 15 of 26 for 180 yards. Bills RB James Cook wasn't even targeted at all in the passing game and was only in on 53% of the snaps. What's even more strange to me is that Coleman saw 49 snaps, Knox saw 46, and Shakir saw only 34 snaps. The player on the Bills roster with the second-best catch percentage never saw a pass target in Cook. Hawes is first with 4 targets, 4 catches, and he never saw a target either. 1 1 Quote
BVBILLS Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Not sure why I just thought of this, probably depressed still. If Bean didn't trade for Diggs, the Bills could have drafted Justin Jefferson instead. (But they would have drafted a CB anyway 😂) 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Chaos said: What are you afraid of missing out on by not having a late first round pick? whatever it takes to elevate the Offense. if ya cant do that ? We need a starting DE and LB and a #1CB I say go for the WR. Trade away 1 Quote
Chaos Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 25 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: whatever it takes to elevate the Offense. if ya cant do that ? We need a starting DE and LB and a #1CB I say go for the WR. Trade away What makes you think Beane is drafting a WR better than Olave? Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, Chaos said: What are you afraid of missing out on by not having a late first round pick? You assume it's going to be a Late First Round Pick. From what we've seen over the past couple weeks that's FAR from a guarantee. If this keeps up, next year's 1st will be much closer to a mid 1st than a late 1st. Our "bend but don't break defense" is now simply a broken Defense. And it's not just a talent issue. The code has been cracked on McDermott's "exotic" scheme, after showing the same looks in the league for a decade plus. Do I want Olave? Yes. But we're not in a Rams situation where we're a contender and we just need a piece like him to take us over the top. I don't think Olave alone puts us back to Championship contender. We need a piece like him to simply get back to having a chance to compete and not having difficulties or straight up losing to poor teams. And if you look at his history, he has concussion issues and misses a fair amount of time. So yeah, I'm concerned about giving up a 1st, losing him and going back to what we saw the past couple weeks, and then not even having our reward for a lackluster season on top of it. If Beane decided to pull the trigger on the 1st for him, I wouldn't be upset. But there's a lot of variables involved. I also have a hard time giving away a 1st for a guy unless we've got him longer than a year and a half. Also, to the point that "who cares about a 1st?", surely pointing to what we've gotten from the picks we've made there over the past few years - you also have to take into account the last time we did that (the Diggs trade), we gave up the pick used to pick Justin Jefferson. The time before that we gave up the pick that became Patrick Mahomes. Edited 11 hours ago by BillsFanForever19 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago On 10/22/2025 at 6:41 AM, Big Turk said: We can always get Ray Ray McCloud back now that he was released from the Falcons...quietly put together a decent year least year with 62 grabs and almost 700 yards. Although I don't think this is really viable since he is another slot guy and we already have a bunch of those and he hasn't shown that kind of production anywhere else including with us. Besides that, Ray Ray is definitely not a "process guy." In fact the situation surrounding his release is quite murky and casts doubt on his character. On 10/22/2025 at 12:28 PM, quincy said: My left field thought is Rashod Bateman. I am unsure whether he is a plausable number one, the three things that I like the most is that he is 25, he has been extended by Baltimore (three years $36.75M) and the Ravens might considering trading him at 1 and 5. I haven't looked into the deeper mathematics of it all. An article by ESPN states; Bateman, 25, has gone from being an underachieving 2021 first-round pick to the best deep threat for the NFL's No. 1 offense in 2024. He was the only player in the NFL last season to average over 16 yards per reception and catch at least nine touchdown passes. Source: Ravens give WR Rashod Bateman 3-year, $36.75M extension A 40 yard dash time of 4.41. Not only is in left field, it's in foul territory! 😝 Just kidding... it's outside the box and I like it but everything written about the Ravens is that they believe the playoffs are within reach and that they're more likely to be buyers than sellers. Quote
Dr. Who Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You assume it's going to be a Late First Round Pick. From what we've seen over the past couple weeks that's FAR from a guarantee. If this keeps up, next year's 1st will be our best 1st since 2019. Our "bend but don't break defense" is now simply a broken Defense. And it's not just a talent issue. The code has been cracked on McDermott's "exotic" scheme, after showing the same looks in the league for a decade plus. Do I want Olave? Yes. But we're not in a Rams situation where we're a contender and we just need a piece like him to take us over the top. I don't think Olave alone puts us back to Championship contender. We need a piece like him to simply get back to having a chance to compete and not having difficulties or straight up losing to poor teams. And if you look at his history, he has concussion issues and misses a fair amount of time. So yeah, I'm concerned about giving up a 1st, losing him and going back to what we saw the past couple weeks, and then not even having our reward for a lackluster season on top of it. If Beane decided to pull the trigger on the 1st for him, I wouldn't be upset. But there's a lot of variables involved. I also have a hard time giving away a 1st for a guy unless we've got him longer than a year and a half. Also, to the point that "who cares about a 1st?", surely pointing to what we've gotten from them - you also have to take into account the last time we did that (the Diggs trade), we gave up the pick used to pick Justin Jefferson. The time before that we gave up the pick that became Patrick Mahomes. The problem is that Pegula is unlikely to get rid of McDermott and Beane, even if the season implodes into a fiasco. In addition, his prior moves with the Bills and his entire tenure as owner of the Sabres is nothing short of utterly disheartening. Is the man capable of a wise decision, or did he just luck into competency with his football team? Regardless, the further question is whether McDermott is ever going to genuinely move off his tired scheme? Beane has fed draft pick after draft pick and the bulk of free agency into trying to invigorate the defense, and it is perpetual no dice. (The answer to the rhetorical question is certainly "no." The Process has its limits.) On the other side of the ball, Brady is showing himself to be a mediocre OC, not utterly incompetent, but not particularly creative and given to mind-numbing decisions that seem lacking in situational awareness. Some folks are convinced he wouldn't even use a superior WR if he had one. Well, you'll never have to find out unless Beane changes his ways significantly. Anyway, I suppose I'm not sure it matters where the 2026 first rounder ends up being if the aforementioned issues remain in place. And even if the team repeats its usual run to the #2 or #3 seed, it won't touch the underlying weaknesses. It's going to be a damn shame if the likely best QB in franchise history is destined for a Philip Rivers career. I was optimistic that was not a danger; now I'm not so sure. 2 2 Quote
SCBills Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: Hopefully the organization can see that the fanbase has quickly turned from applauding Beane's WGR outburst to openly rooting for us to trade for a WR. Every Bills podcaster, beat reporter, etc. is on the Chris Olave train now. Every Bills account on Twitter is talking about it. That stuff shouldn't matter but it does. If the organization senses that the fans are getting restless, hopefully that makes them feel compelled to make a move. It sucks that we had to watch an obviously doomed to fail strategy play out before getting to this point, but we're here now and I hope Beane can swallow his pride and do the right thing. This is easily the most vocally frustrated the fanbase has even been in the regular season during the Allen era. It’s been loud. I can’t imagine this hasn’t been noticed by the FO. Even Keon was cryptic tweeting & deleting last week. 1 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: This is easily the most vocally frustrated the fanbase has even been in the regular season during the Allen era. It’s been loud. I can’t imagine this hasn’t been noticed by the FO. Even Keon was cryptic tweeting & deleting last week. I noticed that Keon's pretty slow at deleting his tweets. 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You assume it's going to be a Late First Round Pick. From what we've seen over the past couple weeks that's FAR from a guarantee. If this keeps up, next year's 1st will be much closer to a mid 1st than a late 1st. Our "bend but don't break defense" is now simply a broken Defense. And it's not just a talent issue. The code has been cracked on McDermott's "exotic" scheme, after showing the same looks in the league for a decade plus. Do I want Olave? Yes. But we're not in a Rams situation where we're a contender and we just need a piece like him to take us over the top. I don't think Olave alone puts us back to Championship contender. We need a piece like him to simply get back to having a chance to compete and not having difficulties or straight up losing to poor teams. And if you look at his history, he has concussion issues and misses a fair amount of time. So yeah, I'm concerned about giving up a 1st, losing him and going back to what we saw the past couple weeks, and then not even having our reward for a lackluster season on top of it. If Beane decided to pull the trigger on the 1st for him, I wouldn't be upset. But there's a lot of variables involved. I also have a hard time giving away a 1st for a guy unless we've got him longer than a year and a half. Also, to the point that "who cares about a 1st?", surely pointing to what we've gotten from the picks we've made there over the past few years - you also have to take into account the last time we did that (the Diggs trade), we gave up the pick used to pick Justin Jefferson. The time before that we gave up the pick that became Patrick Mahomes. Man I get where you are coming from but I can’t disagree more. we do not have time to waste. Saving the first rounder because it may be pick 19 instead of pick 26 is nuts to me. i have never been a believer that we have 7-10 more years of peak Josh Allen. After these last two games, I’m not sure we have more than 3. Quote
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