Why keep bringing certain guys back?

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

The all mighty KC Chiefs have their former draft bust Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Bills favorite Safety Mike Edwards on their PS (who they had and cut twice). The Eagles can't quit WR Quez Watkins. The Colts keep cutting and resigning Laquon Treadwell. And that's with 5 minutes of searching.

 

Okay so 1-2 players each. The OP points out 7 players the Bills have done this with just this season. It is a pattern, no denying that. That one year we rolled up a sprinter van to the nursing home and brought out John Brown and Cole Beasley. Every year they are choosing to wait to fill roster deficiencies with players that know the system instead of being proactive and filling the positions with talented players. And a bunch of the players that "know the system" have actually regressed this year so I don't even know what the benefit is anymore. 

[finn]

34 minutes ago, Success said:

I think "knowing the system" is irrationally high on the priority list when they're looking to add players.

 

Either that or the system itself is the problem, since it just doesn't get results. Hard for players learn and ineffective once they learn it, a situation that might help explain the current state of the Bills defense.

[transient]

26 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Because they know the system. 

~~watching tape of RBs gashing us for long runs, CBs giving up too much cushion, countless 3rd and long conversions against us, missed tackles all over the field~~

 

🤔 ... maybe we should look for players that know a different system. 🤷‍♂️

[ColoradoBills]

29 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Other teams do this same thing. You just don't know it because you don't follow end of the roster transactions of the other 31 teams. The all mighty KC Chiefs have their former draft bust Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Bills favorite Safety Mike Edwards on their PS (who they had and cut twice). The Eagles can't quit WR Quez Watkins. The Colts keep cutting and resigning Laquon Treadwell. And that's with 5 minutes of searching.

 

I understand sticking with some guy that have team experience for the PS.

 

Baylon Spector is an exception IMO.  He wasn't good when called upon and is constantly hurt.

Has to be someone else for that position.

[transient]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I understand sticking with some guy that have team experience for the PS.

 

Baylon Spector is an exception IMO.  He wasn't good when called upon and is constantly hurt.

Has to be someone else for that position.

AJ Klein's camper van is apparently not parked within range of a cell tower. 🤷‍♂️

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

I graduated with honors from college … if I study really hard and “know the system” maybe I can land me a sweet practice squad position! 

[Coach Tuesday]

It's not arrogance it's fear.

 

They are risk-hedging - it seems to be the hallmark of this regime.  We'll blitz - but we need to play our corners back to prevent a big play.  We'll sign players in free agency, but we need them to be super high-character and understand our system.  We'll be aggressive in going after skill positions - but only if we have enough cap and draft capital left after making sure our roster is incredibly deep.  Etc. etc.  

 

These guys are cowards.

[billsfan89]

I honestly don’t care that they are getting too worked up about mostly PS spots. I think having vets on the PS isn’t a bad thing. Good for the locker room and for younger players.

 

Tre is the only retread getting meaningful snaps. And even then they drafted a corner in round 1 (as well as a second later round corner) to try to avoid having Tre start.

 

This is just reaching for something to be mad about. Plenty other things to get worked up on.

[BananaB]

Bills are treading water. McD is happy with guys who know the playbook but can’t make the plays on the field. I’d rather watch a young player struggle with Xs and Os in hope he learns from his mistakes. Watching and old vet miss plays because Father Time slowed down is frustrating. Move on

Edited 1 hour ago by BananaB

[2003Contenders]

I have typically been an apologist for McD because I really do believe he does A LOT of things really well.  But I think he has reached the point where he may best serve in the coach-as-CEO role, rather than in the defensive strategist role, when "his" defense continues to decline as the years go by. McD is so married to "his" system -- and keeps bringing in  coordinators that are like-minded or outright acolytes of his. 

 

Part of the reason for the decline is that his system seems to center around having athletes with a particular skill set to run his defense. That was great when we had one of the best safety tandems in the league with Hyde/Poyer. But that is no longer the case. And as they and others (like T. White, T. Johnson and M Milano) have regressed, so has his defense. Wouldn't it be nice if the defense weren't so "system-based" and was adaptable to best handle the opponent at hand? 

 

It may be time for McD to bring in an outside "consultant" to help identify where and how to improve. Someone who isn't married to this same sort of system -- but brings an array of different concepts to the table.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Okay so 1-2 players each. The OP points out 7 players the Bills have done this with just this season. It is a pattern, no denying that. That one year we rolled up a sprinter van to the nursing home and brought out John Brown and Cole Beasley. Every year they are choosing to wait to fill roster deficiencies with players that know the system instead of being proactive and filling the positions with talented players. And a bunch of the players that "know the system" have actually regressed this year so I don't even know what the benefit is anymore. 

I'll seriously address what I think is going on. Josh personally asked for Brown and Beasley. That, we know. For all we know, he asked for Gabe. I have spent the past 15 minutes looking at practice squads, and most teams use them like an extension of camp to keep evaluating late-round picks and UDFA. Or they bring in other teams busts for a look. Most of these guys will amount to nothing and will never see an NFL field. The Bills are using their PS to stash vets that they can use in case of injury. It's how they built their roster. I wish there was more youth there, but that is a matter of opinion. But some people on here talk about Beane like they think he is developmentally disabled. 

 

Some fun things I found. Do you know Terrace Marshall is on the Eagles PS? The Chargers have Bobby f-ing Hart on their PS. The Steelers have Bills camp legends Isaiah Hodgins and Raheem Blacksheer. That's the cream of the crop, btw, unless you really want Mike Hilton. 

[jlatas]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I honestly don’t care that they are getting too worked up about mostly PS spots. I think having vets on the PS isn’t a bad thing. Good for the locker room and for younger players.

 

Tre is the only retread getting meaningful snaps. And even then they drafted a corner in round 1 (as well as a second later round corner) to try to avoid having Tre start.

 

This is just reaching for something to be mad about. Plenty other things to get worked up on.

if you need vets around for the younger guys then make them coaches...PS is for development and insurance imo

[Saint Doug]

System Guys 

[Ray Finkel]

I heard they are bringing back Star Lotulelei

[jlatas]

4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I honestly don’t care that they are getting too worked up about mostly PS spots. I think having vets on the PS isn’t a bad thing. Good for the locker room and for younger players.

 

Tre is the only retread getting meaningful snaps. And even then they drafted a corner in round 1 (as well as a second later round corner) to try to avoid having Tre start.

 

This is just reaching for something to be mad about. Plenty other things to get worked up on.

No one is looking to be mad about any old thing...the team has not looked sharp at all in any game this season. Fans are just wishing and hoping to see that management and coaching might be taking the best steps to make progress down the road. My whole point is that instead of Spector, I see cornerback as a much more immediate area of concern.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, jlatas said:

No one is looking to be mad about any old thing...the team has not looked sharp at all in any game this season. Fans are just wishing and hoping to see that management and coaching might be taking the best steps to make progress down the road. My whole point is that instead of Spector, I see cornerback as a much more immediate area of concern.

 

They looked good in the Jets game. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Where is Hamlin ?

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Where is Hamlin ?

On the Bills' 53-man roster. 

[billsfan89]

7 minutes ago, jlatas said:

No one is looking to be mad about any old thing...the team has not looked sharp at all in any game this season. Fans are just wishing and hoping to see that management and coaching might be taking the best steps to make progress down the road. My whole point is that instead of Spector, I see cornerback as a much more immediate area of concern.

All the players besides, Tre are PS slots. Are we thinking a PS caliber corner is making the difference? This teams fortunes aren’t made or broken by marginal PS slots

[BeastMaster]

I think the front office and coaching staff is so timid and deathly afraid of players that might not fit or rock the boat that they play it safe with lesser talent rather than to take a chance with someone with more potential 

 

That, to me is a huge mistake if that's the case. 

Edited 1 hour ago by BeastMaster