Pats are back

[dorquemada]

9 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

We will crush them in the rematch

 

Brady is already working on a 10-men-in-motion formation so complex in execution that it requires players to take a 15 hour online training course just to grasp the vocabulary.  Pats wont know what hit em

[harryS]

Outside of QB, can we really make a case that the Bills have more talent than NE?  Both teams have good o-lines.  Both teams have RB depth.  Maybe Cook is the best RB talent but it's just RB; Stevenson and Henderson would thrive in Buffalo, too.  Diggs is better than any WR we have.  We have more TE depth but Henry is as good as any single TE we have.  

 

Neither d-line can rush the passer consistently.  Pats do have a couple of good interior rushers, but hopefully Oliver coming back evens that up.  Pats secondary is better, and Christian Gonzales is easily better than anyone we have back there.  We probably have better LBs but are lacking depth.

 

As for QB, Maye still has a lot to prove.  If you scheme to stop him from rolling right (lol at McDermott), then he's too concerned about the pass rush in the pocket and can't make plays downfield.  Collingsworth made it seem like that's just something he'll have to improve on but that's easier said than done.  A lot of QBs never get over this.

[Billsfanatic8989]

1 minute ago, Fleezoid said:

 

Yep. And Lamar Jackson just got the lock for MVP because he wasn't on the field which directly resulted in the team giving up 44. 

He will once again keep those great stats in tact because he was on the bench. All the while his team gets obliterated. 

 

My big question is: was his injury so bad that it was impossible for him to start. Would Allen play if he had that injury. Mahomes? 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I think they’re a mediocre team tbh we just played dreadfully in a completely self inflicted way…saints would’ve won by 20 if we did that last week.  They might get in the playoffs on a weak schedule it really reminds me a lot of that wind game year 

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Blazman11 said:

 

This!  New Orleans impressed me more than the Pats did.  That team is still the same awful team that won 3 games last year.  Brady isn’t running out of the tunnel and it should be obvious by now it was never The Patriot Way.  It was NE lucking into the greatest football player that ever lived way.  He’s not there and the team is terrible.  Bills just played more terrible in one game.  

 

Very reminiscent of the wind game when NE was supposedly “back” then as well.  

I have heard a few Bills fan say this.. and I am confused. The wind game you were 100% just out coached.. no if and or buts about it.. BB made McDermott look foolish.

 

Also that year was also McDaniels as O coordinator and well god knows what Jones year 2 would have looked like if he had stayed or if ANN hadn’t lost it and just gave him a real OC season 2. (I think the 49ers showing Jones could have been an OK QB with good coaching) I don’t see McDaniels getting offered another HC job and if he did Vrabel isn’t going out a DC in as OC. 
 

Also Jones didn’t look good in that game, I dare say Maye looked damn good last night for his first Prime time game as a Pro. 

 

I don’t see similarities at all! I think the Pats are back to being a respectable team but are a good year or two (good drafts and FA) away from being contenders again. I think they won’t be an easy W. (Barring major injuries as the Pats have zero depth)

[PromoTheRobot]

If the Pats are so awesome, why didn't they beat us by 20, which is the standard margin of victory Bills fans expect?

1 hour ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

We played about as bad as we can and they beat us by 3. They weren't impressive.

 

[dorquemada]

The Pats controlled the rhythm of the game almost from the get go.  I'm to the point in my long suffering fandom that I can predict by the 3rd drive if they're going to win or lose pretty reliably, and given all the long faces and undisciplined play/penalties/bad decision making, it was clear that the Bills couldn't have been any less interested in the game. I said something similar back in maybe 22 when they went through a swoon, and assumed then that there was a rot in the locker room, which their was.  Too bad that rot came back and stole the underpants from our entire secondary over and over again last night.

 

Anyways, the Bills lack discipline, and that comes from the coach.  He should have been fire and brimstone with them at the half but you know he sat down and gently spoke of his feelings instead.  What a mess. clap clap.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I have heard a few Bills fan say this.. and I am confused. The wind game you were 100% just out coached.. no if and or buts about it.. BB made McDermott look foolish.

 

Also that year was also McDaniels as O coordinator and well god knows what Jones year 2 would have looked like if he had stayed or if ANN hadn’t lost it and just gave him a real OC season 2. (I think the 49ers showing Jones could have been an OK QB with good coaching) I don’t see McDaniels getting offered another HC job and if he did Vrabel isn’t going out a DC in as OC. 
 

Also Jones didn’t look good in that game, I dare say Maye looked damn good last night for his first Prime time game as a Pro. 

 

I don’t see similarities at all! I think the Pats are back to being a respectable team but are a good year or two (good drafts and FA) away from being contenders again. I think they won’t be an easy W. (Barring major injuries as the Pats have zero depth)

Because the pats only ran the ball we were outcoached? I don’t really agree.  I think the pats scored probably the maximum amount of points possible for running the ball that much and then dodged like 50 different bullets to hold on and win.

 

that exact game plan probably loses them that game 9 times out of 10 and it was just dumb luck that they didn’t look kinda foolish for only running the football lol 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Ethan in Cleveland]

16 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

What window? The super bowl window...the only window that matters. Allen can only do so much. When the playoffs get here, all the teams have good teams and good offenses/defenses. 

 

And all of the points you made with the WRs is the problem that I don't think will change. We routinely have "guys" but don't use them correctly. Even if we took Worthy over Coleman, we would probably misuse him as well.

 

We are getting dangerously close to the Rivers Chargers here.

 

How do you figure? Our D is going to be made up of essentially the same guys, we will likely have all the same coaches, and the same WRs. A win is not off the table, but we have "crushed" exactly one team this year...the winless Jets. Otherwise, we could have easily lost 4 of 5 at this point.

I get it. McD and the defense has crapped the bed ever since the Houston playoff game second half.  But the SuperBowl window is wide open with the league MVP.  Bills have a decent OL, a great RB, a great set of TEs, and a very good slot WR.  They should be able to score.

What we need to do is for Beane to go all in like the Rams did.  He hasn't made a major move since the Diggs deal.  Go get Hendrickson.  Go find a WR that can at least get open.  Mortgage the future to win now!

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I get it. McD and the defense has crapped the bed ever since the Houston playoff game second half.  But the SuperBowl window is wide open with the league MVP.  Bills have a decent OL, a great RB, a great set of TEs, and a very good slot WR.  They should be able to score.

What we need to do is for Beane to go all in like the Rams did.  He hasn't made a major move since the Diggs deal.  Go get Hendrickson.  Go find a WR that can at least get open.  Mortgage the future to win now!

 

I agree with the going all in. I had said in other threads/posts that since we don't seem to hit on 1st/2nd round picks often enough, we should start using those picks as currency for trades for guys who are proven commodities. We need to make some trades, because the roster, as usual, as currently constructed, will get exposed once again in the playoffs.

[Billsfanatic8989]

Hopefully Maye turns into the next Mac Jones. That might be wishful thinking.

[PatsFanNH]

7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Because the pats only ran the ball we were outcoached? I don’t really agree.  I think the pats scored probably the maximum amount of points possible for running the ball that much and then dodged like 50 different bullets to hold on and win.

 

that exact game plan probably loses them that game 9 times out of 10 and it was just dumb luck that they didn’t look kinda foolish for only running the football lol 

 

Out coached because your coach didnt adapt at all even after Allen showed his arm was strong enough cut through the wind. (Jones clearly showed his was not the few throws looked scary lol)  

But my main point was I don’t see any similarities between last nights game and the wind game.. 

2 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Hopefully Maye turns into the next Mac Jones. That might be wishful thinking.

Mac Jones IMO could have been an OK QB which he is showing in SF. He was ruined by BB with giving him crappy OC and QB coach year 2 and then treating him like an after thought after that.. I am happy he is doing well in SF shows BB was a part of the issue at the end.

 

 

[dorquemada]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If the Pats are so awesome, why didn't they beat us by 20, which is the standard margin of victory Bills fans expect?

 

 

The pats aren't awesome. That's exactly the  point. They're a .500 team, but obviously the first decent team the Bills have faced.  Atlanta is another 2-2 team.  The Bills should be favored, though I'm not going to bet this game.  We'll see if this is the Bills typical early-mid season malaise, or if the league has evolved while the Bills didn't.

[Dillenger4]

13 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Because the pats only ran the ball we were outcoached? I don’t really agree.  I think the pats scored probably the maximum amount of points possible for running the ball that much and then dodged like 50 different bullets to hold on and win.

 

that exact game plan probably loses them that game 9 times out of 10 and it was just dumb luck that they didn’t look kinda foolish for only running the football lol 

 

What game did you watch? They beat us - full stop. They passed the ball with ease man. They completed big plays when they needed to. Their O line was making our D line look like kids! We didn't have an answer. Josh threw wild ducks that were picked off, or almost picked a few times. It was ugly because football gets ugly when you are being pummeled and outcoached. 

This could have happened vs NO and Miami too, but we had a little luck and those 2 teams aren't as good as NE. It's who we are.... get used to it.

[sven233]

Man, the overreaction to this game is real.  But it was always going to be especially if the Pats* won.  

 

I'm going to start and get this out of the way......I like Drake Maye.  I think he's got everything you need to be a very good player in this league.  He had a really nice game and made some very nice plays.  BUT....can we hold off a bit crowning him and the Pats*?  They put up 23 points against OUR defense.....you know the same defense that has been a sieve all season.....  They had short fields off of 2 terrible turnovers that immediately led to 10 points.  They were the beneficiaries of terrible officiating all night.  They had Diggs who was wide open on virtually every play because our defense is so terrible.  And on top of that, we were horrendous on offense and never really put any pressure on them to have to keep up with us in terms of points.  It was a terrible night and we played the worst we have played since the Houston game.  We literally played into their hand.

 

It happens.  And I hate to take anything away from Maye because I do like him.  But Diggs was the reason they had the success they did.  He made our secondary look foolish all night.  He may not be what he once was, but make no mistake about it...if Diggs was on our team, he would still be our best WR by far.  Just goes to show you the importance of having a "guy".  Everybody eats is fine in concept until you need someone in a crucial situation to make a play.  We don't have that "guy" and not having that "guy" was the difference in the ball game last night.

Edited 2 hours ago by sven233

[Success]

They might lose to the Saints next week.

 

On the question of "did the Pats win, or did the Bills lose?" - we lost.  We gave that game away.  

 

This isn't denial. They're a mid team. They're not back.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Out coached because your coach didnt adapt at all even after Allen showed his arm was strong enough cut through the wind. (Jones clearly showed his was not the few throws looked scary lol)  

But my main point was I don’t see any similarities between last nights game and the wind game.. 

it feels like the fan vibes of games completely warp what actually happened haha that feels like the theme of the day…I’m having the same discussion about the bills chiefs playoff games

 

Bills were throwing all game that wind game

 

i can see going either way on the comparison…wind game was more missed chances and yesterday was more self inflicted wounds so it’s definitely different flavors.  Felt kinda like the pats loss to the Steelers to me and I’m pretty sure the football gods wanted to even out that pats loss and the bills weird ravens win 😂. Feels like both teams are where they should be record wise now lol 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[MJS]

Maye didn't do anything amazing in that game. If anything, I thought he was rattled for most of it. But Vrabel is a good coach. That's exactly the kind of game you get from him.

[goldenboy81]

The pats are the 2nd best team in the division. Thats about it

[Nitro]

2 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Maye is the real deal.  Vrabel is a very good HC.  We finally have competition again in the division; we no longer will be locking it up by Thanksgiving.  Buckle up.

They are a solid team.  Bills played right into their hands.  Sloppy unforced errors.  Poor game plan.  Execution was off.  Lastly, injuries on defense hurt.