Keon WTF?

[SoMAn]

9 hours ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

#3??? More like 5th best.

What I said was # 3 AT BEST.    #5 is a good bet.  I'd put Gabe ahead of him at this point. 

[RobbRiddick]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Josh isn’t playing up to standard.  That’s not helping the current situation.  If he was just “good” we would be 6-0

 

 

 

I'd be interested to see how many other plays like this were left on the table. We all love Josh and with that he tends to get a pass whenever the receivers aren't catching passes and all the blame goes to the WR

[uticaclub]

5 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I'd be interested to see how many other plays like this were left on the table. We all love Josh and with that he tends to get a pass whenever the receivers aren't catching passes and all the blame goes to the WR

My guess might be 2 or 3 plays like this that we left on the table. That’s why getting in a rhythm is so important for Allen. He'll hit that pass all day if he’s in a groove and those opportunities are consistent. If nothing is working, and he is under duress all game. He’ll get too anxious and miss these opportunities when they are few and far between.

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I'd be interested to see how many other plays like this were left on the table. We all love Josh and with that he tends to get a pass whenever the receivers aren't catching passes and all the blame goes to the WR

Josh is having a bad year by his standards. He’s playing at a Pro Bowl level. That’s not good enough for this team to get where they want to go. That’s part of the problem though and why he gets absolved a lot. If he plays as the 5th-7th best QB the Bills are done. He has to be a top 3 player in the NFL for them to have a chance. That’s always been the fear of the “we need WRs crowd.” What happens when Josh is just really good? 
 

It’s like having a perennial MVP candidate in the NBA that’s having a down year. Joker averaged 29.6/12.7/10.2 on 57.6% shooting. If this year he goes out and averages 26.8/10.4/8.7 on 54.2% shooting he is a great player. He would be one of the best players in the world and the Nuggets would have no prayer of a championship. That’s where we are at with Josh. 

[Negan]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Josh is having a bad year by his standards. He’s playing at a Pro Bowl level. That’s not good enough for this team to get where they want to go. That’s part of the problem though and why he gets absolved a lot. If he plays as the 5th-7th best QB the Bills are done. He has to be a top 3 player in the NFL for them to have a chance. That’s always been the fear of the “we need WRs crowd.” What happens when Josh is just really good? 
 

It’s like having a perennial MVP candidate in the NBA that’s having a down year. Joker averaged 29.6/12.7/10.2 on 57.6% shooting. If this year he goes out and averages 26.8/10.4/8.7 on 54.2% shooting he is a great player. He would be one of the best players in the world and the Nuggets would have no prayer of a championship. That’s where we are at with Josh. 

That's why it so important for Beane to surround Allen with top level talent.  But instead Beane would rather draft Cole Bishop, TJ Sanders, Keon Slowman, Dewayne Carter.

Edited yesterday at 11:10 AM by Negan

[Cubanmist 1]

We all knew Keon was not that good. There was a retired WR, who played for Carolina, get on the air and voice his opinion. It wasn’t good! Back it up with film.

[thenorthremembers]

6 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

We all knew Keon was not that good. There was a retired WR, who played for Carolina, get on the air and voice his opinion. It wasn’t good! Back it up with film.

 

I agree we all kind of knew.   As far as the retired WR from Carolina.  His mouth runs nonstop, much of it nonsense.   

[Ethan in Cleveland]

We have seen enough to know we have seen enough...

Coleman can carve out a ten year career as a #4 WR. He will never be even a good #2. He simply does not have the speed to win in the NFL. 

 

If they are going to continue with everybody eats, well then Coleman should not be force fed the ball like they are doing now. People complained Diggs was targeted too much. Lol. He was a top 3 WR in the NFL. That was always a stupid argument.  

[zow2]

I root for Coleman, I thought he'd be pretty good.  While he's not a burner as we all know, I figured he'd be someone like Keenan Allen.  A taller guy that knows how to use his body and has enough football IQ to get open and make himself available for the QB when things go off script.  Clearly he is nowhere close to that as of today.

 

 

[Dunkirk Donski]

Keon Elam 

[Brand J]

25 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

We have seen enough to know we have seen enough...

Coleman can carve out a ten year career as a #4 WR. He will never be even a good #2. He simply does not have the speed to win in the NFL. 

 

If they are going to continue with everybody eats, well then Coleman should not be force fed the ball like they are doing now. People complained Diggs was targeted too much. Lol. He was a top 3 WR in the NFL. That was always a stupid argument.  

It isn’t even his speed, this board obsesses about that too much. There have been plenty of receivers at or around his 4.61 forty time, including Davante Adams (4.57), that know how to get open. It’s body language, head fakes, the nuance in his route running that he’s missing, which is a bit odd coming from a player with a basketball background.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 minutes ago, Brand J said:

It isn’t even his speed, this board obsesses about that too much. There have been plenty of receivers at or around his 4.61 forty time, including Davante Adams (4.57), that know how to get open. It’s body language, head fakes, the nuance in his route running that he’s missing, which is a bit odd coming from a player with a basketball background.

This a a great take. You are correct. He can't seperate from anyone except Tre White in training camp. And as you said that is more than just straight line speed. 

No idea what Beane saw in this guy at FSU. 

[Brandon]

16 minutes ago, Brand J said:

It isn’t even his speed, this board obsesses about that too much. There have been plenty of receivers at or around his 4.61 forty time, including Davante Adams (4.57), that know how to get open. It’s body language, head fakes, the nuance in his route running that he’s missing, which is a bit odd coming from a player with a basketball background.

 

I agree to some extent,  but the value of the 40 time is to confirm what you see on the field.  Sometimes a player will play faster or slower than they time.  In Keon's case,  though,  his 4.6+ 40 and below average 10/20 yard splits confirm the pre-draft evaluation...speed and separation were an issue in college and very likely would be in the NFL.  And that seems to be the case.  

 

 

[Brand J]

4 hours ago, Brandon said:

 

I agree to some extent,  but the value of the 40 time is to confirm what you see on the field.  Sometimes a player will play faster or slower than they time.  In Keon's case,  though,  his 4.6+ 40 and below average 10/20 yard splits confirm the pre-draft evaluation...speed and separation were an issue in college and very likely would be in the NFL.  And that seems to be the case.  

 

 

There have also been plenty of extremely fast guys who flamed out in the NFL because they couldn’t get open. There’s so much more to running routes than speed. Coleman’s wheels are fine, it’s the other parts of his game that aren’t. 

[Lagoon Blues]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Josh is having a bad year by his standards. He’s playing at a Pro Bowl level. That’s not good enough for this team to get where they want to go. That’s part of the problem though and why he gets absolved a lot. If he plays as the 5th-7th best QB the Bills are done. He has to be a top 3 player in the NFL for them to have a chance. That’s always been the fear of the “we need WRs crowd.” What happens when Josh is just really good? 
 

It’s like having a perennial MVP candidate in the NBA that’s having a down year. Joker averaged 29.6/12.7/10.2 on 57.6% shooting. If this year he goes out and averages 26.8/10.4/8.7 on 54.2% shooting he is a great player. He would be one of the best players in the world and the Nuggets would have no prayer of a championship. That’s where we are at with Josh. 

I keep saying this to people around me...we can't expect him to be superman every damn game.  

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said:

I keep saying this to people around me...we can't expect him to be superman every damn game.  

This might be a controversial take (but it shouldn’t be). If Josh Allen played at the exact same level that Jim Kelly did for his career (top 5ish QB) this Bills team would have no chance. They don’t have enough talent around him. He can’t be “one of the best players in a game.” If he isn’t, “the best player on the field” they aren’t a contender.

[RunTheBall]

Keon hasn’t been done any favors by this regime. He’s not an X receiver. They are trying to put a square peg in a round hole. The guy has 2 routes, neither of which he runs well because he’s out of position. Get Olave or Rasheed to be a true X, split time with Coleman in the slot with Shakir, have Palmer as your #2 and we’ve got a solid receiving core. My fear is that they think the Ghost of Gabe Davis is going to be the answer at receiver and another year goes down the drain.

 

[Goin Breakdown]

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This might be a controversial take (but it shouldn’t be). If Josh Allen played at the exact same level that Jim Kelly did for his career (top 5ish QB) this Bills team would have no chance. They don’t have enough talent around him. He can’t be “one of the best players in a game.” If he isn’t, “the best player on the field” they aren’t a contender.

I don't think this is as controversial as you would think. We love our Bills that's for sure, but the honest Bills fans have been saying what many of the hated media have been saying, and it's that aside from Josh and maybe Cook, we lack talent. The team is full of JAG players who have been coached well positionally. You are right. With Josh not playing at or around MVP level this team is bottom of the league and arguing with the jets as to who's better in the division.