How Good is Joe Brady?

[bills11]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

It's really difficult to tell exactly how good he is. Allen single handedly erases a lot of stalled drives and the only other time Brady was an NFL OC he failed and got fired.

 

The best thing he has going for him is he knows what his players do well and he only asks them to do those things. Compared to Dorsey where for example he would ask Gabe Davis to read coverages and catch a lot of targets. As soon as Brady took over that kind of nonsense stopped.

 

His play design and play calling is simple, for better or worse. He calls a few select formations and only has like 3-4 concepts he calls out of each of those formations. He basically tells the opposing defense I think I can call these plays even when you know they're coming and I dare you to stop it. We've seen that strategy falter a bit when defenses sell out to stop specific plays, but it's hard to argue with the results. Any given week we can put up 30+ points while barely breaking a sweat. Yes we have Allen as the ultimate force multiplier but that's been true since 2020 and we've only seen the week to week consistency show up since Brady took over.

 

I don't think he's particularly creative and he can be a bit too conservative for my liking so I would say he both significantly raises our floor and slightly reduces our ceiling.

 

True it's a very interesting approach similar to what the Colts did with Peyton..the one downside as you said is sometimes going to the well a bit too often like when we ran the sneak with Josh and the chiefs knew it was coming .

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

 

 

Click the link "watch on Youtube" for Cover1's video on how Brady is calling plays.  

 

 

I think he’s great. He brought an elite running game to pair with Josh Allen. Now only if his defensive counterpart could do the same then the Bills would be golden. My only gripe is the lack of deep ball, but I think this type of small ball, dink & dunk will really serve us well against elite Quarterback play in the postseason by keeping them off the field. 

3 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Hawes has 4 targets in 4 games.  

 

I actually would like to see a little more down field passing, but if teams stay in cover 2, Josh and Brady are content to run the ball, control the clock and wear out the opposing D front.

Hawes blocking is much more crucial. It allows the Bills to have a pseudo 6th lineman without actually having to sacrifice a passing threat. His role is absolutely crucial in Brady’s offense and gives the Bills so many new wrinkles. What a find. 

Edited 11 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Rubes said:

 

This is essentially what the Bills D is doing to other teams too, though, is that correct? It seems like the idea is to force teams into long drives with many short plays and multiple 3rd down conversions, hoping to force teams to punt, kick a FG, or turn the ball over. I guess other teams are doing that to us, too. Is the difference that we are so effective running the ball, not turning the ball over, and having a high red zone TD percentage?

 

I think it’s basically saying our defense looks at most offenses like most defenses look at us with Josh Allen. 

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I'm really hoping that Brady can gameplan to get Hawes 1-2 targets a game against some of these lower grade teams!  I would LOVEEEEE to be able to put that on tape so that DC's cant start cheating up on him, and we can really keep them guessing.  I dont want it to just be a threat, would like to see them scheme some Play-action touches us up for the big fella.  Plus hes busting his arse, and would appreciate the touches

Play Action ratio is already on the increase. I see Brady letting Allen loose by later part of the season when you have to play the heavy weights like Bucs, Chiefs and Eagles 

[ganesh]

Daboll called  plays that put Allen to make better throws to his WR. He also had an alpha WR in Diggs along with an excellent slot WR. 
 

Brady has understood his WR limitations and took out those plays that only Diggs and Beasley could do. 
 

When you looked at Jones passing for 350 yards with no name receiver - have to say Brady is not in the same league as Shannahan or McVay. 

[Doc Brown]

Dorsey's offense is pretty simple and I like that.  He does a good job of leaning into the strengths of the players and limiting the weaknesses.  Plus, he took those stupid choice routes away.

[ganesh]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Dorsey's offense is pretty simple and I like that.  He does a good job of leaning into the strengths of the players and limiting the weaknesses.  Plus, he took those stupid choice routes away.

You meant Brady's offense

[Doc Brown]

Just now, ganesh said:

You meant Brady's offense

Yeah.  Whoops.  I had that guy's frustrating offense in my head when thinking about Brady.

[ganesh]

17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  Whoops.  I had that guy's frustrating offense in my head when thinking about Brady.

There are folks here who will call Brady's offense as frustrating at times (including myself).  But not as bad as Dorsey's. Go Bills !!!

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Josh was 9/30 that game for only 130 yards.  The running game was fine with 150 yards and average 5.4 yards a carry.   We also had 4 scoring drives.  
 

I chalk that game up to Josh having a rare bad game.

It was also pretty early with his WRs last year. Shakir was out and maybe Knox or Kincaid too? 
 

it was Keon and Mack Hollins I think

[GASabresIUFan]

As a further point of reference, in Brady's 33 games (RS & playoffs), the Bills have scored under 20 points only twice; the Baltimore Beatdown (10 pts), and the Trubisky started game against NE to finish last season (16 pts).  That's it.

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

People were saying Daboll was really good too. Then he left the Josh Allen bubble. 

 

 Brady has had success here. And he had success his year at LSU with Burrow/Chase/Jefferson. If he goes somewhere without a franchise QB he's doomed like so many before him IMO.

Daboll still might be a good OC! hes not a good HC, well find out on the OC though.

 

Brady was stacked with weapons at LSU, but his team put up a boatload of points with the most mehhh group. And that offense was pass first, so we atleast know hes had success with different offense types. 

 

Hes a young cat figuring it out too. I don't think you'll hear anyone confusing him with Shannon or McVay, but yes I believe hes an objectively good OC!

 

Hes built a strong offensive identity within our strengths as a team. Josh still gets to be Josh with less pounding.

 

MISTAKE FREE** which is how the good teams always manage to win close games that feel like a coin flip.

 

Our base offense gives us super predictable, easy to replicate results, that don't require hall of fame,  low % probability type plays to eeek out a win.

 

I think hes good, probably in the top third. I think he has what it takes to continue to grow too. 

 

Side note, not a prediction by me. Sometimes mid coordinators, can grow to be better HCs. I could see Brady being good at it with the right staff. Hes a leader of men, earns respect of his guys, so they buy in, and play hard for him. He doesn't have to dick around fighting and disciplining players, thats a distraction.

[Richard Noggin]

Just now, Low Positive said:

The best point in this video is that one of the reasons the running game is working so well is that heavy formations with 12 and 13 personnel are not pulling defenses out of cover 2. Because Josh Allen. 

 

I will continue to harp on this very question: what happens when an opposing defense is able to bottle up the run game and attack the quick/short passing attack? How does Brady respond? (Might depend on how the Bills D holds up, of course.)

 

Just now, Low Positive said:

They tried in the last game. Here is what Josh saw when he threw the ball on his INT. 

 

Looks to me like the WR Allen is targeting has won his route. The single high S is reacting, but a good "honey hole" shot throw should get the job done. 

 

Also, the WR to the field side boundary has enough sideline leverage that Allen could fire in a backside shoulder piss missile IF that WR gets his head around. 

 

Just now, bills11 said:

True it's a very interesting approach similar to what the Colts did with Peyton..the one downside as you said is sometimes going to the well a bit too often like when we ran the sneak with Josh and the chiefs knew it was coming .

 

That was a damning sequence in my opinion. It was obvious to the entire NFL that the Chiefs were prepared to stop that specific play. Failing to recognize that reality and then adjust in-game was just too obviously stubborn and conservative. Brady is often reluctant or even refuses to leverage his own play calling success and predictability on the snap BEFORE the defense adjusts to shut it down. He seemingly waits until the snap is wasted, rather than staying a step ahead. I've become very annoying and repetitive about this, apparently. 

 

[Chandler#81]

How good? So good this is will be his last year as an OC. We MUST win the SB this year!

[ProcessTruster]

12 hours ago, Low Positive said:

The best point in this video is that one of the reasons the running game is working so well is that heavy formations with 12 and 13 personnel are not pulling defenses out of cover 2. Because Josh Allen. 

agreed.  the more defenses play to stop the 20+ yard pass the more we will run it with heavy personnel.   take what they are pretty much giving you.  

[GerstAusGosheim]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Dorsey had success for about 20 games. Then it fell off a cliff very quickly.

 10 points vs Cinci in the playoffs. And still kept his job!

[eball]

13 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

I don't think we'll never know

 

So we know?

 

[shane nelson]

According to AI the Bills are 26-7 since Brady became OC.  As Parcells always said "You are what your record says you are" 

[GunnerBill]

Two things I will say for sure:

 

1. He isn't as good as Sean McVay; but

2. If he had called the 4th down run McVay did on TNF we would have people here calling for his immediate firing. 

[Behindenemylines]

Having talent is obviously a great help, but how to utilize talent to its fullest is what gets you in the hunt year after year.  TB12 made a good living on Dink and Dunk with scrap heap guys because he was always in a position to maximize their and his abilities.  Rarely broke out of that formula because of his limitations.  

 

Our Brady is placing guys in a better position game by game, and Allen isnt forcing those long balls like he used to.  Also, looking at the first 3-5 games as a continuation of preseason, puts some of this in perspective.  I think this Sunday Night we begin to see the real offense, and I hope a better version of the Defense that they really want.  I mean why show the world your playbook when you dont really need to.  The Baltimore game was pure will on Allens part, and the team responded with a still basic Offense.  

 

We will develop more over the next several weeks Im sure.

 

Go Bills and lets show New England's THE NEXT JOSH ALLEN (as they keep saying) that there ain't no such thing! (even though I kinda like the kid so far)