NOW is Bobby Babich's seat hot?

[HappyDays]

Watched back some of the defensive all-22 in the 1st half. On that end of half play London almost scored on, the play call is basic man. They have freaking Ja'Marcus Ingram 1v1 against London. The only guy that the defense needs to worry about, the one that's killed you for an entire half, and on a critical end of half play you have a practice squad CB lined up against him with no help. Unbelievable.

[billsfan714]

The Falcons left about 13 points off the board.   With the out at the one, a block FG and they went for a 4th and passed up a FG.   That would of been 37 put up by the likes of the Falcons.   I went into this season worried about the D and Im more worried after 6 weeks.

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Watched back some of the defensive all-22 in the 1st half. On that end of half play London almost scored on, the play call is basic man. They have freaking Ja'Marcus Ingram 1v1 against London. The only guy that the defense needs to worry about, the one that's killed you for an entire half, and on a critical end of half play you have a practice squad CB lined up against him with no help. Unbelievable.

I forgot the total, but between London and Bijin, they had 376yds. Penix is a struggling QB, and those are three only 2 guys you need to worry about, yet, they were often left in space by themselves. It was mind blowing, and aggravating. Babich is lost.

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

The Falcons left about 13 points off the board.   With the out at the one, a block FG and they went for a 4th and passed up a FG.   That would of been 37 put up by the likes of the Falcons.   I went into this season worried about the D and Im more worried after 6 weeks.

 

Correct. Also Penix missed several wide open completions. I'm seeing way too many people around Bills social media crediting the defense for a good 2nd half performance. Let's be real. Penix isn't very good and they had a single pass catcher to worry about. All that in our favor and like you said they still should have put up 30+. I don't want to hear about defensive injuries either. The defense played better after losing several starters in the 2nd half. Established players have regressed, the fundamentals stink, the situational play calling stinks, the same mistakes get made week after week. All the investments this offseason and the defense has somehow gotten even worse! Even in my most pessimistic offseason takes I didn't predict that.

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:31 AM by HappyDays

[Dick_Cheney]

11 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

The Falcons left about 13 points off the board.   With the out at the one, a block FG and they went for a 4th and passed up a FG.   That would of been 37 put up by the likes of the Falcons.   I went into this season worried about the D and Im more worried after 6 weeks.

 

Yeah, the defense was definitely better in the second half, but I'm not sure how much that's really worth considering what you said. People are realizing how close this was to being a truly almost historically devastating loss. It's bad as it is, but damn, imagine if they had gotten two more scores on us. 

 

Personally, I wish they had. I think being truly embarrassed (even more than we were) might make a difference. Feels like when we do fail, we're failing justttttt barely enough to not constitute meaningful change, and we stick to the "we're mostly good enough, most of the time, probably, this can still work!" attitude. 

 

It's clear that is no longer the case. 

[In Summary]

Is there any indication that McDermott took over defensive play calling in the 2nd half or was this still Babich? If McDermott took over Babich is on the hot seat.

[Success]

Anyone else tired of the "bend don't break" philosophy?

 

 

[Dafan]

After halftime, our D and special teams stepped up huge.  Our offense is what fell apart.  Why the F did we constantly pull Cook out on 3rd and 4th downs that were huge.  Specially given the added injuries of Benford and Benard in the second half, I can't blame the D.  And when will we stop with the stupid jet sweeps with knox and Moore that both lead to fumbles.  Brady is over thinking it...stick with what frigging works.

[Nihilarian]

8 minutes ago, Dafan said:

After halftime, our D and special teams stepped up huge.  Our offense is what fell apart.  Why the F did we constantly pull Cook out on 3rd and 4th downs that were huge.  Specially given the added injuries of Benford and Benard in the second half, I can't blame the D.  And when will we stop with the stupid jet sweeps with knox and Moore that both lead to fumbles.  Brady is over thinking it...stick with what frigging works.

I agree 💯.

 

Allen has nobody to throw to after Kincade and Palmer are out, so why not put Cook at wideout, which would create a mismatch? It's like Brady has his head up his keaster at times, the last few games for some reason. 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, billsfan714 said:

The Falcons left about 13 points off the board.   With the out at the one, a block FG and they went for a 4th and passed up a FG.   That would of been 37 put up by the likes of the Falcons.   I went into this season worried about the D and Im more worried after 6 weeks.

 

 

Um, no. On one they didn't go for it and took the field goal, and that should count agains the Bills? And on the other they didn't kick the field goal and that should count against the Bills? Either way? Yeah, um, no.

 

That would have been 13 points. Or zero. Pretending you know - either way - is utterly ridiculous.

 

Worth noting that that missed field goal drive started on the Atlanta 47. A team gets the ball there, a field goal try is not a bad result for a defense.

 

When the points don't go on the board, they don't count.

 

The defense wasn't good. Nobody should say that. But they were a lot better than the offense. They weren't awful by any means.

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:27 AM by Thurman#1

[Nihilarian]

 

[Thurman#1]

45 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Correct. Also Penix missed several wide open completions. I'm seeing way too many people around Bills social media crediting the defense for a good 2nd half performance. Let's be real. Penix isn't very good and they had a single pass catcher to worry about. All that in our favor and like you said they still should have put up 30+. I don't want to hear about defensive injuries either. The defense played better after losing several starters in the 2nd half. Established players have regressed, the fundamentals stink, the situational play calling stinks, the same mistakes get made week after week. All the investments this offseason and the defense has somehow gotten even worse! Even in my most pessimistic offseason takes I didn't predict that.

 

 

 

Every QB misses a few. Penix was 20 for 32. Last week he was 20 for 26 and overall he's completing 62.4%, which is pretty decent.

 

Don't want to hear about it? Tough. You will, and you should. It's part of the picture. The D had a ton of injuries, with DaQuan's absence in particular apparently doing very bad things to our run defense.

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

The D had a ton of injuries, with DaQuan's absence in particular apparently doing very bad things to our run defense

 

I really don't think DQ's absence had anything to do with it. Oliver was back and played decently well. Walker was probably our best overall player in the game. The problem in run defense was our starting 2nd and 3rd level, same as it has been all year. Allgeier's opening drive TD run happens because Rapp takes a horrible angle coming down from depth. On the 81 yard Bijan TD run Bernard was the one turned out of his gap. Then Bishop takes a horrible angle and that's all she wrote. The pass completions and defensive penalties that extended drives weren't backups. Rousseau jumps offside, Oliver jumps offside, White commits DPI (admittedly a bad call), Benford commits DPI. Not once did I watch one of the many defensive breakdowns yesterday and think that a backup player was the guilty party.

 

Now if you want to say the players are more responsible than the coaches for these failures okay I am open to hearing that argument, but injuries still are not an excuse for that performance last night.

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:35 AM by HappyDays

[billsfan714]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Um, no. On one they didn't go for it and took the field goal, and that should count agains the Bills? And on the other they didn't kick the field goal and that should count against the Bills? Either way? Yeah, um, no.

 

That would have been 13 points. Or zero. Pretending you know - either way - is utterly ridiculous.

 

Worth noting that that missed field goal drive started on the Atlanta 47. A team gets the ball there, a field goal try is not a bad result for a defense.

 

When the points don't go on the board, they don't count.

 

The defense wasn't good. Nobody should say that. But they were a lot better than the offense. They weren't awful by any means.

 

It was the first time we ever in our history gave up 150 yards to a RB and a WR in the same game.  Its historically bad.

[buffalo2218]

2 hours ago, Success said:

Anyone else tired of the "bend don't break" philosophy?

 

 

Been tired of that since Frazier implemented it. All those wanting Frazier back need to remember that. All I see from it is our defense being worn down faster playing chase for about 60 yards hoping for a turnover and putting more pressure on the offense

[davefan66]

If McD took over play calling, then I’d have to revise my previous thoughts.

 

I feel the defense did a much better job pressuring a young QB in the 2nd half.  Pressuring while keeping an eye on a couple of stud playmakers.  
 

If true. Babich isn’t on the hot seat as much as he’ll jettison himself.  I’m sure he’s a good enough coach to coach up the players on McD’s defense and maybe not so much calling the plays.  If he had the play calling stripped away, I don’t see him staying here. On his own accord.

[bmur66]

I'd say his arse is in the frying pan.

[first_and_ten]

How much money and draft capital will Beane pour into a defense that stinks? Put some money into receiving talent for our MVP quarterback!!! They have wasted him!!!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, davefan66 said:

If McD took over play calling, then I’d have to revise my previous thoughts.

 

I feel the defense did a much better job pressuring a young QB in the 2nd half.  Pressuring while keeping an eye on a couple of stud playmakers.  
 

If true. Babich isn’t on the hot seat as much as he’ll jettison himself.  I’m sure he’s a good enough coach to coach up the players on McD’s defense and maybe not so much calling the plays.  If he had the play calling stripped away, I don’t see him staying here. On his own accord.

Then the problem would kind of take care of itself, as it were! 👏

[DCofNC]

20 hours ago, Big Turk said:

As much as Leslie Frazier was blasted for being "vanilla" and refusing to adjust in big games to change things up, he was exceptional game to game and keeping a high level of consistently good defensive play.

 

We tend to forget that.

Oh I think you are looking back through jaded glasses, Frazier routinely got lit up the first half, left the Offense in a hole and then somehow would change just enough in the second half to slow the bleeding.   I swear the strategy was to make the other team take more time than usual to score so they could only have 3 possessions a half and hopefully they would screw one of them up so they only scored 4 times a game, ideally settling for FGs.

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I really don't think DQ's absence had anything to do with it. Oliver was back and played decently well. Walker was probably our best overall player in the game. The problem in run defense was our starting 2nd and 3rd level, same as it has been all year. Allgeier's opening drive TD run happens because Rapp takes a horrible angle coming down from depth. On the 81 yard Bijan TD run Bernard was the one turned out of his gap. Then Bishop takes a horrible angle and that's all she wrote. The pass completions and defensive penalties that extended drives weren't backups. Rousseau jumps offside, Oliver jumps offside, White commits DPI (admittedly a bad call), Benford commits DPI. Not once did I watch one of the many defensive breakdowns yesterday and think that a backup player was the guilty party.

 

Now if you want to say the players are more responsible than the coaches for these failures okay I am open to hearing that argument, but injuries still are not an excuse for that performance last night.

 

Discipline cost the game.  How do you line up Offside on the FIRST play of the game.  That play changed the entire game.  Take 7 off the board and the momentum shift would have been huge as well.  They would have come out, lost the ball first play, the Bills scored a TD, so if they could have done that, they already are down 7 to a team they feel they have to play perfectly against to win.   The panic starts.  The ENTIRE game was shifted by one idiot lining up wrong.  Yes, that’s one the player, BUT that’s piss poor coaching to not have the absolutely ingrained in the guys.