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17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think they were certainly mainstream in the Super Bowl era. There’s no doubt. The point was, everyone and every team had people in Zubaz back then. It was the thing. Everyone else dropped it because it’s lame. We kept it, and doubled down for the last 25-30 years. We made it “our” thing instead of “everyone’s” thing. I’m suggesting we should leave them, and the table breaking, behind. We should have dropped them when Josh became elite. 

 

Since we've already made these our things, why drop them now?

 

I despised table jumping at first because it made Bills fans look like drunken morons.  But now I love the odd uniqueness of it. 

 

I hated Zubaz at first, too, and now I own a pair because it's the Billsy thing to do. 

 

I don't want the Bills to devolve into every other fanbase.  IMHO, all the things that set us apart, including btw the immense charity giving, should be sustained and embraced.  

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1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Since we've already made these our things, why drop them now?

 

I despised table jumping at first because it made Bills fans look like drunken morons.  But now I love the odd uniqueness of it. 

 

I hated Zubaz at first, too, and now I own a pair because it's the Billsy thing to do. 

 

I don't want the Bills to devolve into every other fanbase.  IMHO, all the things that set us apart, including btw the immense charity giving, should be sustained and embraced.  

Fair. It’s not so much devolving as it is evolving. The table jumping and Zubaz wearing, exploded during the drought. They were cries out for relevancy. We wanted to show the world how passionate we were. This was like the black sheep of the family trying to get mom and dad’s approval. It worked. “Bills mafia” became a thing and we were recognized as an elite fan base despite an average(ish) product.

 

We can lean in on the things that make us elite (tailgating, charity, road attendance, elite passion) without the sideshow tactics. I’m not talking about changing Hammer’s Lot. That IS a part of the tradition. I’m suggesting we do away with Zubaz-clad, 22 year-olds in the grass lot, blacking out and jumping off buses. Those attention-seeking efforts can go away. We earned attention. 
 

I said it earlier, but there is a fraction of the Zubaz, and especially table jumping, than there was a decade ago. That will continue with the new stadium. The market has spoken, and priced out a good bit of the chaos. The stadium is as loud as it always was, but a much more evolved environment.

 

My initial point was that we should keep the best of what makes us unique. We should also embrace new traditions that belong to this era. We don’t need to be the “wacky neighbor” that we were in 2015. We are still unique and as elite a fan base as there is. We can do that without being a sideshow. We are moving in that direction and that’s a positive. The new uniforms didn’t need to be “more Zubazy.” That’s the past. Let’s embrace the now and the future. Josh Allen and co have earned that. 

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27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Fair. It’s not so much devolving as it is evolving. The table jumping and Zubaz wearing, exploded during the drought. They were cries out for relevancy. We wanted to show the world how passionate we were. This was like the black sheep of the family trying to get mom and dad’s approval. It worked. “Bills mafia” became a thing and we were recognized as an elite fan base despite an average(ish) product.

 

We can lean in on the things that make us elite (tailgating, charity, road attendance, elite passion) without the sideshow tactics. I’m not talking about changing Hammer’s Lot. That IS a part of the tradition. I’m suggesting we do away with Zubaz-clad, 22 year-olds in the grass lot, blacking out and jumping off buses. Those attention-seeking efforts can go away. We earned attention. 
 

I said it earlier, but there is a fraction of the Zubaz, and especially table jumping, than there was a decade ago. That will continue with the new stadium. The market has spoken, and priced out a good bit of the chaos. The stadium is as loud as it always was, but a much more evolved environment.

 

My initial point was that we should keep the best of what makes us unique. We should also embrace new traditions that belong to this era. We don’t need to be the “wacky neighbor” that we were in 2015. We are still unique and as elite a fan base as there is. We can do that without being a sideshow. We are moving in that direction and that’s a positive. The new uniforms didn’t need to be “more Zubazy.” That’s the past. Let’s embrace the now and the future. Josh Allen and co have earned that. 

 

Sensible argument, though personally I'm probably not ready just yet to ditch the Zubaz and table jumping.  The nonsensical wackiness of it all kind of appeals to me.  

 

But I think if & when we do move on, it's because we've found something better.  Long ago, Hugh Prather wrote, "If I do not go in a good direction, I go in a bad direction. I do not stand still." 

 

I think table jumping might fall in the "bad direction" category.  But we can't/won't just walk away from table jumping, or Zubaz.  I think these oddities need to be replaced with a good direction - new traditions that inspire us in some way and get the attention that some fans crave.  

 

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1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Sensible argument, though personally I'm probably not ready just yet to ditch the Zubaz and table jumping.  The nonsensical wackiness of it all kind of appeals to me.  

 

But I think if & when we do move on, it's because we've found something better.  Long ago, Hugh Prather wrote, "If I do not go in a good direction, I go in a bad direction. I do not stand still." 

 

I think table jumping might fall in the "bad direction" category.  But we can't/won't just walk away from table jumping, or Zubaz.  I think these oddities need to be replaced with a good direction - new traditions that inspire us in some way and get the attention that some fans crave.  

 

Totally fair. We will probably see more new traditions when we get into the new stadium. It’s going to be incredible. 
 

The new traditions like the pregame chant and Mr. Brightside have largely been great. People earlier were complaining about it feeling forced. The Mr. Brightside thing is the perfect example of things developing organically. It was stars of this team, drunk at Knox’s wedding, singing like frat boys. It is so authentic compared to a lot of other things. We should be open to that. That holds especially true if it is driven by the players.

 

I’m not suggesting forsaking traditions just to do so. I’m saying let’s continue to embrace new traditions that are distinct to this group. They’ve earned the right to carve out their own place in franchise history like those early 90’s teams did. 

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20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Totally fair. We will probably see more new traditions when we get into the new stadium. It’s going to be incredible. 
 

The new traditions like the pregame chant and Mr. Brightside have largely been great. People earlier were complaining about it feeling forced. The Mr. Brightside thing is the perfect example of things developing organically. It was stars of this team, drunk at Knox’s wedding, singing like frat boys. It is so authentic compared to a lot of other things. We should be open to that. That holds especially true if it is driven by the players.

 

I’m not suggesting forsaking traditions just to do so. I’m saying let’s continue to embrace new traditions that are distinct to this group. They’ve earned the right to carve out their own place in franchise history like those early 90’s teams did. 

I want Kanye's Carnival chant for our kickoffs.  Get that old crusty 7 nation song outta here.

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On 9/30/2025 at 9:44 AM, Augie said:

 

Between that and those God awful uniforms in some college or USFL team’s colors, I’m glad I’ll be home for this one. 

 

Quit screwing with a great thing. 

 

EDIT: Because they are not as atrocious as the Steelers Bumblebee uniforms does NOT mean they are a good thing. 

 

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I dunno.. it looks like a very good thing for Xmas sales. I bought an Allen jersey for my son and now they’re sold out!

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5 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

Just a marketing ploy to get people to buy white gear, which won't be white by the end of the game

 

No they are doing it so the stadium looks great.  All teams do whiteouts and ask their fans to wear white on special occasions.  This is not unique in anyway.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I dunno.. it looks like a very good thing for Xmas sales. I bought an Allen jersey for my son and now they’re sold out!

 

Yes, I’m sure it’s all about the money. At least I don’t have to buy another new a subscription to watch those ugly helmets. 

 

I’m not usually a uniform guy. I don’t really care what they wear, including actual white on white. I’m afraid the desecration of our classic helmets disturbs me the most. 

 

It’s all about the money. 

 

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5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Totally fair. We will probably see more new traditions when we get into the new stadium. It’s going to be incredible. 
 

The new traditions like the pregame chant and Mr. Brightside have largely been great. People earlier were complaining about it feeling forced. The Mr. Brightside thing is the perfect example of things developing organically. It was stars of this team, drunk at Knox’s wedding, singing like frat boys. It is so authentic compared to a lot of other things. We should be open to that. That holds especially true if it is driven by the players.

 

I’m not suggesting forsaking traditions just to do so. I’m saying let’s continue to embrace new traditions that are distinct to this group. They’ve earned the right to carve out their own place in franchise history like those early 90’s teams did. 

Absolutely I agree but something that makes it a long-term tradition would be team and fan standing 

 

Dawson Knox and all those players will be gone eventually so Mr brightside won't have the same effect on the new kids coming in 

 

Which is why I think it's different than the shout song.. which Bridges generations and ages and sex

 

That's a tradition for this team probably not Bill's teams for the next 30 years

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