Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 CFL will only entertain merger talks if their corporate partner Canadian Tire Corporation is allowed expansion into the U.S. market. 🤔 Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 "Merger" might be the wrong word, partnership or acquisition would be better. The NFL isn't going to suddenly inflate 4-8 teams absorbing a bunch of Canadian markets and cutting down each teams share of those massive TV Deals. That's what's holding up the NBA's expansion to 32 teams because the 30 owners don't want to lose a cut of their TV revenues longer term.  But I could see the CFL positioning themselves to be a minor league feeder system for the NFL similar to the working relationship the UFL has. I don't know if that's the CFL's longer term goal but given the longevity of the league and the exclusivity they have in bigger markets it might make sense for the NFL to revive the NFL Europe model with the CFL. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 10 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: Maybe the CFL becomes an NFL minor league after merging with the spring football league (whatever it is called this year).  This makes a ton more sense, and goes from something i hate and fully oppose, to a great option.  One Heavily dilutes, the other builds up the NFL and fringe players. I cant see Toronto Bills fans accepting a competing team, although their would be newly interested fans.  However, I think we'd all take at least a mild interest in a farm team.  Canada playing nice could lead to them getting an expansion team down the road.  There's a lot that'd be at stake, too much to think about before 10am LOL these are just things that jump out at me. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 24 Posted September 24 10 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: Maybe the CFL becomes an NFL minor league after merging with the spring football league (whatever it is called this year).   That to me is a more likely long term solution here.  Have to believe the popularity of the NFL has taken the CFL down a lot so may be easier to work with than compete against. Quote
starrymessenger Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are big enuf to easily support NFL franchises. The NFL is very popular everywhere in Canada, including in French speaking Quebec. Problem is that it would spell the end of the CFL which for some imports a quasi existential/political crisis. So it's not happening anytime soon and probably never will. The one thing they should have changed in their game is the so-called "rouge" where a team is awarded a point by simply punting through the end zone or tackling the returner there. Makes no sense to have a game outcome depend on that. 1 Quote
MiltonWaddams Posted September 24 Posted September 24 10 hours ago, Low Positive said: They have problems supporting NHL teams, and their salary cap will buy you a QB and a LB in the NFL. Which NHL franchise are you talking about? Ottawa may be the only one even in consideration. Winnipeg has been excellent and the support has been much better for the past three seasons. The beleaguered franchise in Toronto is the most valuable one in the sport. Quote
Augie Posted September 24 Posted September 24 36 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: "Merger" might be the wrong word, partnership or acquisition would be better. The NFL isn't going to suddenly inflate 4-8 teams absorbing a bunch of Canadian markets and cutting down each teams share of those massive TV Deals. That's what's holding up the NBA's expansion to 32 teams because the 30 owners don't want to lose a cut of their TV revenues longer term.  But I could see the CFL positioning themselves to be a minor league feeder system for the NFL similar to the working relationship the UFL has. I don't know if that's the CFL's longer term goal but given the longevity of the league and the exclusivity they have in bigger markets it might make sense for the NFL to revive the NFL Europe model with the CFL.  I know there are some, but I’m really surprised we don’t see more guys getting signed from the CFL. Quote
May Day 10 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 8 minutes ago, Augie said:  I know there are some, but I’m really surprised we don’t see more guys getting signed from the CFL.  The NFL is tough and unique to other sports. It is a 'strike while the iron is hot' as far as careers go, and useful careers are short. Players come in and are starters/contributors very quickly. They better group of that gets healthy and lucrative 2nd contracts. There really isn't too much of a development window, and if there is, it is just a season or 2 on the active roster.   There is no need for a development league for the NFL other than the free one they have with the NCAA. The better players are now getting paid well there. A player in the CFL who is doing well and is 26 years old is already impossibly behind the curve.   There is also a finite number of hits and punishment bodies can take. Taking hits while riding the buses in the minors only wastes career and brain matter. Quote
Augie Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:  The NFL is tough and unique to other sports. It is a 'strike while the iron is hot' as far as careers go, and useful careers are short. Players come in and are starters/contributors very quickly. They better group of that gets healthy and lucrative 2nd contracts. There really isn't too much of a development window, and if there is, it is just a season or 2 on the active roster.   There is no need for a development league for the NFL other than the free one they have with the NCAA. The better players are now getting paid well there. A player in the CFL who is doing well and is 26 years old is already impossibly behind the curve.   There is also a finite number of hits and punishment bodies can take. Taking hits while riding the buses in the minors only wastes career and brain matter.  I think this is the answer, and I’m a bit surprised by the numbers. A PS guy in the NFL makes a lot more than a typical CFL player.  AI Overview An NFL practice squad is significantly more lucrative than playing in the CFL ; even a practice squad player with no prior NFL experience will earn a minimum of $13,000 per week, totaling $234,000 for the 18-week season, whereas the average CFL salary is around $110,000 CAD for the entire season. A CFL salary can range from about $30,000 CAD for a rookie to potentially $250,000 CAD for a star player, but this pales in comparison to NFL practice squad earnings. Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 5 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:  The NFL is tough and unique to other sports. It is a 'strike while the iron is hot' as far as careers go, and useful careers are short. Players come in and are starters/contributors very quickly. They better group of that gets healthy and lucrative 2nd contracts. There really isn't too much of a development window, and if there is, it is just a season or 2 on the active roster.   There is no need for a development league for the NFL other than the free one they have with the NCAA. The better players are now getting paid well there. A player in the CFL who is doing well and is 26 years old is already impossibly behind the curve.   There is also a finite number of hits and punishment bodies can take. Taking hits while riding the buses in the minors only wastes career and brain matter.  It's not like NFL Europe didn't have success stories. Generally I agree the idea of developing talent in American Football is harder but I don't think having a NFL Europe style system in Canada wouldn't hurt. Quote
machine gun kelly Posted September 24 Posted September 24 I can see this being an expansion for the most populous ans wealthy cities in Canada.  I seriously doubt any merger.  I have no problem with a 4 team expansion into Canada as they are so close to the US.  A lot easier than Europe expansion, but see that as well.  Can’t you see a four Canada expansion, and a four European expansion into say GB, Germany as they love the NFL, and maybe Spain.  More money for the NFL, And they are global business trying to expand.  From a business sense it makes a lot of sense.  I don’t think about what we had 30 years ago, mor what is likely. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted September 24 Posted September 24 It wouldn't be a merger. It would be a buyout essentially putting the NFL in charge of everything. My company went through a "merger". All of our Executives were let go, the other company's leaders took over. The company runs on this new companies principle's now. Quote
LittleSammy Posted September 24 Posted September 24 12 hours ago, Low Positive said: Come back to me when they add a 4th down. I tried to get into watching the CFL to get my football fix during the summer, but the two plays & punt and then endless TV timeouts killed me. The NFL TV timeouts are bad enough, but this takes it to the next level. Otherwise, the other differences in the CFL game make it unique in it's own right and fun to watch. I guess the CFL needs the added TV revenue stream to survive. Quote
Low Positive Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 minutes ago, LittleSammy said: I tried to get into watching the CFL to get my football fix during the summer, but the two plays & punt and then endless TV timeouts killed me. The NFL TV timeouts are bad enough, but this takes it to the next level. Otherwise, the other differences in the CFL game make it unique in it's own right and fun to watch. I guess the CFL needs the added TV revenue stream to survive. I'm sure they did focus testing and/or surveys to determine why the NFL gets double the TV ratings of the CFL in Canada. Hence the changes. Quote
Buffalo ill Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Folks on here asking for the cartels to get teams down in Mexico, lol. Quote
Low Positive Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Interesting fact that I just learned. Back in the EARLY days, American football used to be 3-downs to get 5 yards. They didn't add the 4th down until they changed it to 10 yards. The Canadians kept it at 3 downs when they switched to 10 yards in order to force offenses to take more risks. Quote
Einstein Posted September 24 Author Posted September 24 10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:  I think the word you're looking for is an NFL 'acquisition' of the CFL, not merger. A merger would imply the NFL and CFL are on fairly equal standing.and coming together as one organization. Like the AFL/NFL merger.  And that's not even remotely the case.  What an absolutely useless post. You knew the point I was making (as did everyone  else) but instead you chose to waste board space with this nonsense. Quote
Walking Tall Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Buffalo would immediately block Toronto from having a team. Quote
bigduke6 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 its no secret that the NFL is always looking to expand. more teams, more revenue, more reach. been trying in Europe for decades.  it makes sense to absorb the CFL and grow the league. the NFL sees all that money that FIFA gets for worldwide soccer and lusts after it. an NFL football World Cup is also something they lust after. all about the money.  Quote
May Day 10 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Just now, bigduke6 said: its no secret that the NFL is always looking to expand. more teams, more revenue, more reach. been trying in Europe for decades.  it makes sense to absorb the CFL and grow the league. the NFL sees all that money that FIFA gets for worldwide soccer and lusts after it. an NFL football World Cup is also something they lust after. all about the money.   That is certainly the next frontier. They have reached maximum growth in the US for the most part. International market would be huge, mainly the other hemisphere though. A full on European Division is probably on their mid-term plans, with a Conference long-term.  As far as Canada goes, I think the only market they would want is Toronto. The rest of Canada would fall behind it as their team like they do for the Blue Jays (but at an NFL-scale).  I could be talked into the idea that they would consider Montreal as well.   There aren't many billionaires in Canada who could meet the NFL's price at this point. There is that Chinese guy, but he has a sketchy history and is relatively new money, and I'm not sure he seems like a sports guy. Then there is the Thomson family.  1 Quote
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