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[BillsFanForever19]

@NeverOutNick

 

Hamlin and Codrington aren't going anywhere. 

 

If anyone was being moved to make room for Hancock to see the field, it would be Cam Lewis before Damar Hamlin. But I don't think he's going anywhere either. But regardless of what you and other fans think about Hamlin - McDermott values him too much. Outside of Rapp and Bishop, he's the only Safety to be active and gotten snaps at Safety.

 

And Codrington is our entire Return game. They aren't going to risk putting someone important back there and it's too important of a job this year to go with just anybody. 

 

The odds that we get through Week 6 without a single player to put on IR is pretty slim. At least one player is going to get dinged up, if not more. And then it will come down to who's 52 and/or 53 between Sam Franklin and Ja'Marcus Ingram.

 

Off chance if our DE's are all healthy they can move AJE or if all our WR's stay healthy we can move Samuel - otherwise i'd expect them to be here.

Edited September 20 by BillsFanForever19

[EmotionallyUnstable]

8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Hamlin and Codrington aren't going anywhere. 

 

If anyone was being moved to make room for Hancock to see the field, it would be Cam Lewis before Damar Hamlin. But I don't think he's going anywhere either. But regardless of what you and other fans think about Hamlin - McDermott values him too much. Outside of Rapp and Bishop, he's the only Safety to be active and gotten snaps at Safety.

 

And Codrington is our entire Return game. They aren't going to risk putting someone important back there and it's too important of a job this year to go with just anybody. 

 

The odds that we get through Week 6 without a single player to put on IR is pretty slim. At least one player is going to get dinged up, if not more. And then it will come down to who's 52 and/or 53 between Sam Franklin and Ja'Marcus Ingram.

 

Off chance if our DE's are all healthy they can move AJE or if all our WR's stay healthy we can move Samuel - otherwise i'd expect them to be here.

Cam Lewis is getting legit PT on defense over Hamlin. He also plays teams. #3 was the defender who lost contain on the opening kickoff against the phins. I don’t see either guy being cut at this point but I am not so sure it’d be guarenteed to be cam getting cut over Damar. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Hamlin and Codrington aren't going anywhere. 

 

If anyone was being moved to make room for Hancock to see the field, it would be Cam Lewis before Damar Hamlin. But I don't think he's going anywhere either. But regardless of what you and other fans think about Hamlin - McDermott values him too much. Outside of Rapp and Bishop, he's the only Safety to be active and gotten snaps at Safety.

 

And Codrington is our entire Return game. They aren't going to risk putting someone important back there and it's too important of a job this year to go with just anybody. 

 

The odds that we get through Week 6 without a single player to put on IR is pretty slim. At least one player is going to get dinged up, if not more. And then it will come down to who's 52 and/or 53 between Sam Franklin and Ja'Marcus Ingram.

 

Off chance if our DE's are all healthy they can move AJE or if all our WR's stay healthy we can move Samuel - otherwise i'd expect them to be here.

 

I agree the DB decision comes down to Franklin or Ingram. They are not cutting Damar. 

 

But at least one of the cuts has to be Dline. They currently have 5 DEs and 4 DTs. They are not going to make that 6 DEs and 5 DTs. 6 and 4 I can see. 5 and 5 I can see. But they are not going with eleven spots on the defensive line. Other than the idea that they cut Ogonjobi without him ever making the roster who else is at risk? They aren't cutting Jackson even though he is a perennial inactive. I think the chances of them cutting Daquan are pretty remote given his play especially this past week, and Oliver, Groot, Bosa and the two rookie DTs are safe as houses. So you get to Solomon or Epenesa pretty quickly and while AJE has played some teams snaps this year Solomon has been a core STer.

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Cam Lewis is getting legit PT on defense over Hamlin. He also plays teams. #3 was the defender who lost contain on the opening kickoff against the phins. I don’t see either guy being cut at this point but I am not so sure it’d be guarenteed to be cam getting cut over Damar. 

 

Cam isn't playing safety though. That is his point. Cam has a very specific role in our dime package. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Like @GunnerBill, despite my initial thought that DQ was a potential trade/release candidate to account for the numbers, he was great Thursday. All be in I am only through the first half of the tape, but he was our most consistent disruptor. Hes also playing a lot of 3T right now, which will likely change when Oliver gets back. Despite playing “out of position” he still saw a lot of double teams.

 

This is a fascinating discussion that I thought a lot about in pre season. The closer we’ll get, the more we will know. I just don’t see any way they’ll add a DL without releasing one. 
 

Epinessa, Hamlin, Codrington, Ingram all make a ton of sense to me

[HOUSE]

I take Brandon Beanes 1 day salary and buy a really cool car

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Like @GunnerBill, despite my initial thought that DQ was a potential trade/release candidate to account for the numbers, he was great Thursday. All be in I am only through the first half of the tape, but he was our most consistent disruptor. Hes also playing a lot of 3T right now, which will likely change when Oliver gets back. Despite playing “out of position” he still saw a lot of double teams.

 

This is a fascinating discussion that I thought a lot about in pre season. The closer we’ll get, the more we will know. I just don’t see any way they’ll add a DL without releasing one. 
 

Epinessa, Hamlin, Codrington, Ingram all make a ton of sense to me

Beane isn’t dumb he won’t release someone he doesn’t think he can store on the PS. Regardless of what any fan thinks, Epenesa and Solomon would get picked up quickly by another team. Beanes not going to care about the numbers on the active roster if he can elevate players from the PS and he is probably working the phones already for potential trade partners to see who wants one of our D lineman. If it doesn’t work though, Hamlin, Ingram and Codrington have the best shot of making it through waivers and onto our PS. Franklin would get picked up too with how fantastic he’s been on ST and his history of being this good and unlike Codrington he can actually play his position outside of ST which is valuable with McBeane. I like ingrams development and hope he’s not cut but if they believe Strong is ready and Hairston is healthy it could happen but solid corners are hard to find and they get hurt a lot during the season so I wouldn’t risk it. Like I said before Samuel (who cares) and Hamlin (easy PS stash) would be my first 2 cuts and then if you can’t trade a D lineman  for real value or someone isn’t injured before the decision needs to be made than sorry Codrington but one of our RBs or Shakir is returning kicks.  

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Beane isn’t dumb he won’t release someone he doesn’t think he can store on the PS. Regardless of what any fan thinks, Epenesa and Solomon would get picked up quickly by another team. Beanes not going to care about the numbers on the active roster if he can elevate players from the PS and he is probably working the phones already for potential trade partners to see who wants one of our D lineman. If it doesn’t work though, Hamlin, Ingram and Codrington have the best shot of making it through waivers and onto our PS. Franklin would get picked up too with how fantastic he’s been on ST and his history of being this good and unlike Codrington he can actually play his position outside of ST which is valuable with McBeane. I like ingrams development and hope he’s not cut but if they believe Strong is ready and Hairston is healthy it could happen but solid corners are hard to find and they get hurt a lot during the season so I wouldn’t risk it. Like I said before Samuel (who cares) and Hamlin (easy PS stash) would be my first 2 cuts and then if you can’t trade a D lineman  for real value or someone isn’t injured before the decision needs to be made than sorry Codrington but one of our RBs or Shakir is returning kicks.  

 

Franklin was actually a free agent who didn't get picked up less than 3 weeks ago. He had a great game on teams against the Jets. But I don't believe that one performance would be enough to make him a guranteed pick up if he got cut. I'm still pretty confident you could smuggle him through to the PS.

[NeverOutNick]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Franklin was actually a free agent who didn't get picked up less than 3 weeks ago. He had a great game on teams against the Jets. But I don't believe that one performance would be enough to make him a guranteed pick up if he got cut. I'm still pretty confident you could smuggle him through to the PS.

If he gets cut I’ll understand but he’s been awesome since he got here unlike the other 3 I’d cut. How you’re actually helping on gameday matters to me and he’s good. Not as easily replaceable imo but if they want to risk it that’s on them. I think with injuries already adding up around the league and people seeing the tape he’d get picked up. But hopefully he wouldn’t 

 

I honestly think Beane pulled a fast one on the league and snuck Franklin on the roster and it will pay off for us down the stretch. Not usually a STs dude but kid can ball and from his tape looks like a decent safety. 
 

 

Edited September 20 by NeverOutNick

[balln]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Just in respect of numbers it has to be at least one DL and at least one DB as straight swaps. I think the third one you have some flexibility in terms of position. 

 

If it were me personally I'd go:

- Cut Sam Franklin (re-sign to PS which also resets his elevations). Really good STs player and not sure they will do this but I think having twon DBs (Codrington as well) who really only play teams is a luxury you can't afford if it means cutting a guy like Ingram who can play multiple spots. 

 

- Trade AJ Epenesa. Don't think we have seen enough from the edge guys outside of Bosa so far and while I am not under the illusion you would get much in return but maybe a team really struggling for pressure like a certain NFC South team we love to do deals with might flip you a late day 3 pick. I'd consider cutting Solomon too but I think he is a better teams player and he is cheap depth for another two seasons on his rookie deal so from a long term roster management perspective he makes more sense to keep. 

 

- Cut Curtis Samuel. I'd rather not do this one, but if I have to cut a third guy it is Samuel. He is clearly WR6 on this roster, doesn't play teams and is a vet insurance luxury. He is gone after 2025 in any event. 

 

He has. I am head of the "DQ is washed" club but he was really good Thursday and played okay vs the Jets. FWIW PFF has him as the 3rd ranked DT in all of football right now. That feels like an overselling it to me but I don't think you can cut your most natural 1T when he playing pretty well to end up with a DT room of four primary 3Ts.

 

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/daquan-jones/8747

 

do you mean 33rd? Out of 160. Pretty pretty pretty good

[Niagara Dude]

9 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

First person off this team of I were the GM when Max gets back... Codrington. He adds absolutely nothing at the CB position. And he's making a lot of poor choices on PR. He let one ball slip through his arms and has another "return" where he had to dive forward and catch the ball. Easily could have been another fumble. He made some poor decisions in the first two games as well. Who returns kicks then? Well, we have a lot of possibilities. Ray Davis could help out on KR. Possibly Moore. Ty Johnson. Shakir has done PR in the past IIRC. And little know fact, in his last year in college, Keon Coleman was one of the top rated returners in the nation. 

 

We are at a stage that with our offense we don't need to steal 6 points on STs. We need punt catchers....not punt returners lol.

 

As far as the other two spots. I'm in favor of mothballing Milano til later in the season. He would head to IR. 

 

As far as the third spot? Perhaps Franklin. 

Beanne and McDermott still do not respect forty times and you can't teach speed,  Codrington ran a 4.6 forty at his pro day.  That is considered very slow for a CB or for his main role as a returner.  He is never going to outrun people,  I would cut him ASAP

[No_Matter_What]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

As others have mentioned you are dead wrong on Daquan. Go watch tape. We was good against Dolphins.

 

I think these three you mentioned are relatively easy. Three cuts should be Ingram, Franklin and one DL. Which DL is a question. I agree with @GunnerBill that trading AJE seems like an obvious solution since Solomon plays ST and is on a cheap rookie deal. Hopefully we can find a trade partner. I do think he is solid DE3 and could be worth a 6th.

 

You forgot to mention Grable. That's an interesting one. Lunds seems like and obvious OL/OL swap but I don't think they want to cut him. So this is maybe where Samuel might enter the conversation. Or maybe Van Demark could be cut or traded.

 

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If they do put Milano on IR they need another linebacker. They can't have just 4 on the roster. Especially if they want to carry on running more 4-3 base (which they shouldn't but maybe they do).

 In the past you were saying this because how good Taron was. Is it still the reason or do you think that even with Cam Lewis on the field we shouldn't run more 4-3?

Edited September 20 by No_Matter_What

[NeverOutNick]

Just now, Niagara Dude said:

Beanne and McDermott still do not respect forty times and you can't teach speed,  Codrington ran a 4.6 forty at his pro day.  That is considered very slow for a CB or for his main role as a returner.  He is never going to outrun people,  I would cut him ASAP

If he was the best or one of the best PRs in the league it would be different but the dude hasn’t looked great this year. He’s a solid returner but I would rather not lose a D lineman to another team (even if they’re underperforming right now) just to keep Codrington on the active roster. Very good chance he makes it through waivers to us and he can come back if another injury happens

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, balln said:

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/daquan-jones/8747

 

do you mean 33rd? Out of 160. Pretty pretty pretty good

 

No I mean 3rd. That link says 4th overall out of 160 but their player grades has him 3rd behind Collins (Cleveland) and Lawrence (Giants).

12 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

 In the past you were saying this because how good Taron was. Is it still the reason or do you think that even with Cam Lewis on the field we shouldn't run more 4-3?

 

No I'd still have Taron on the field. He is better than Dorian Williams. That said, if Shaq Thompson can keep playing like he did on Thursday maybe I can be persuaded that Milano - Bernard - Thompson has its uses in some situations.

[Niagara Dude]

27 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

If he was the best or one of the best PRs in the league it would be different but the dude hasn’t looked great this year. He’s a solid returner but I would rather not lose a D lineman to another team (even if they’re underperforming right now) just to keep Codrington on the active roster. Very good chance he makes it through waivers to us and he can come back if another injury happens

Guaranteed no team picks him up and he could sign to our practice roster,  again not doing anything amazing as returner. 

[MikePJ76]

Yea you can count me in the not trading or cutting Ingram/AJ or Samuels club. And cutting Dequan Jones, what? That is ridiculous.

 

Every year this team gets big injuries late.  I am not moving players who although not pro bowlers are still capable nfl players.  No way.

 

i fail to see the urgency for getting Ogunjobi to the roster.  Is he going to provide better play than Jordan Phillips or Zion logue will?

 

I would call Pittsburgh and offer him in a deal to send him back before I would cut current players to get him on the roster.  

to me the only issue is making a spot for hoecht and Hairston.  I want them to to be extra deep in the secondary because of the injuries they always get late.  I am robbing Peter to pay Paul here and going heavy in the secondary.  
 

Franklin, codrington and Gilliam would be the first guys moved to make room.

 

having said all this I know Gilliam is going nowhere and the two most likely guys getting cut are Ingram and AJ.  I just would not be in favor of cutting guys I know can play in the league and in the scheme.  I am not going out of my way to make any space for Ogunjobi.   If they think he is better than logue and you can put logue back on the ps then fine but he is not good enough to disrupt things.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

I take Brandon Beanes 1 day salary and buy a really cool car

And immediately write the salesperson a big bonus cheque! 😁

[NeverOutNick]

23 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Yea you can count me in the not trading or cutting Ingram/AJ or Samuels club. And cutting Dequan Jones, what? That is ridiculous.

 

Every year this team gets big injuries late.  I am not moving players who although not pro bowlers are still capable nfl players.  No way.

 

i fail to see the urgency for getting Ogunjobi to the roster.  Is he going to provide better play than Jordan Phillips or Zion logue will?

 

I would call Pittsburgh and offer him in a deal to send him back before I would cut current players to get him on the roster.  

to me the only issue is making a spot for hoecht and Hairston.  I want them to to be extra deep in the secondary because of the injuries they always get late.  I am robbing Peter to pay Paul here and going heavy in the secondary.  
 

Franklin, codrington and Gilliam would be the first guys moved to make room.

 

having said all this I know Gilliam is going nowhere and the two most likely guys getting cut are Ingram and AJ.  I just would not be in favor of cutting guys I know can play in the league and in the scheme.  I am not going out of my way to make any space for Ogunjobi.   If they think he is better than logue and you can put logue back on the ps then fine but he is not good enough to disrupt things.

That’s a fair point on Ogunjobi. We really don’t know what he’s got left in the tank or if it’s any better than what we have.

[Orlando Buffalo]

10 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

I agree with your comment but I just posted this in the other thread, is it possible Jones is doing his job and we just don't know what it is? Seriously to be this high on PFF should lean he was at least good 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

If the Bills start IR'ing players who aren't hurt or keeping them on IR when healthy there will be many posts about needing to Fire Beane in the off-season for breaking rules and costing us to lose a draft pick or picks.

 

The NFLPA would immediately jump in and scream infraction.

[SCBills]

For the people who say trade Epenesa, Joey Bosa played 87% of snaps against Miami. 
 

That is insane. 
 

They went to a 3 man rotation with Bosa, Rousseau and Epenesa. 
 

I get that Solomon is a ST guy, but if he can’t be trusted to play DE snaps in Year 2, not sure what we’re doing here.  Dont think we cut him, because he’s only in his second year, but definitely see him as inactive. 
 

That 3 man DE rotation needs to become a 4 man DE rotation when Hoecht comes back.

 

Ogunjobi, imo, is insurance given two of our DT’s are rookies… one with coming off a back injury.  I’d keep him around, even if inactive, in case of injury, lack of early development for TJ or hitting a rookie wall. 
 

If nothing changes between now and then… 
 

Codrington, Ingram, Franklin and Samuel seem like realistic options for Hoecht, Ogunjobi and Hairston.. then Lundt gets cut and hopefully stashed when Grable comes back.  Samuel is someone I think the Bills hold onto while letting the league know he’s available for trade.. especially with how comfortable Elijah Moore looks in this Offense and Shavers starting to show he can be counted on to block and make some catches. 
 

Edited September 20 by SCBills