Josh and INTs

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

14 minutes ago, Westside Madness said:

I felt like the approach to the last two games was like playing backgammon safely. Take the moves the dice give you, don't leave any pieces uncovered. Wait for your opponent to make a mistake. You cant always play like this against all opponents and it certainly makes the games less exciting, but I am sure we will return to a more balanced risk management approach once we get to a tougher part of our schedule.

I dig this but the backgammon reference will be lost on us.  Can you use a Junior Monopoly or, perhaps, Cornhole analogy?

[Sierra Foothills]

20 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Agreed.

 

Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were a lot of fun to watch too.

 

😄

 

 

I forgot Brett Favre.

 

Who was more fun than Brett Favre?

 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

32 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This is all good for the whole "winning games" thing, but old Josh was much more fun to watch.

But this Josh is far more likely to win a Superbowl.

[Captain Hindsight]

26 minutes ago, dickleyjones said:

i loved the lateral. reckless sure, but so close to an awesome winning play.

I loved it too. Showed that he would do anything to win

[Kornfed]

I like the meticulous ball control passing offense but think a few moderate 12-15 yrd passes could keep the DB’s from cheating up and loosen things up a bit. 

Edited September 19 by Kornfed

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I think this is the game plan against inferior teams. When we play good teams and we need it, he will unleash it (eg, Baltimore 4th quarter) 

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, T.E. said:

To be fair, their best chance to win the Super Bowl was in 2021, when Allen was launching the ball all over the place.

The best chance the Bills had to win the SB was last year. If they had gotten a half inch on one of two questionable spots, they probably make it. 

 

Everyone forgets the Bills were 7-6 coming out of the loss at Tampa Bay and had to win out just to make the playoffs. If Matt Ryan hadn't taunted on a play where in fact he failed to reach the EZ, we might have lost at home to a pretty bad Falcons team. We were that close to not even playing in the "prefect game" and the 13-second game. 

8 minutes ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

But this Josh is far more likely to win a Superbowl.

But will it be fun?

[BuffaloBillyG]

17 minutes ago, T.E. said:

To be fair, their best chance to win the Super Bowl was in 2021, when Allen was launching the ball all over the place.

I don't see it that way at all. I think the best shot for them to win the Super Bowl is 2025 where Josh plays within himself, limits the turnovers and plays smart. 

 

But if the past is any indication, we have seen this movie play out before. Buffalo opens the season with a few boring wins. Offense is . methodical. Come playoff time, Josh gets unleashed more. 

[fan_in_tx]

54 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Exactly. Like his three interception game opening week against the Jets a couple years back. So fun. Like when he played his first playoff game against the Texans and did that weird last second lateral. What a hoot that was.

 

 

The Texan game was lost when the powers that be decided not to give the Bills a TD on the Kick-off / Fumble.   Yes that was a live Ball and Bills should have been awarded a TD on that play.

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

21 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

 

But will it be fun?

Ive been waiting 52 years for a championship. Winning the SB 3-0 would be fun for me.

[pennstate10]

2 minutes ago, fan_in_tx said:

The Texan game was lost when the powers that be decided not to give the Bills a TD on the Kick-off / Fumble.   Yes that was a live Ball and Bills should have been awarded a TD on that play.

Yup. I think that’s the only play in NFL history where some dudes in the stands over rules the refs on the field. What a ridiculous call. 
 

Yes, I know that the Texans returner was signaling he wasn’t going to return the ball. And I understand the spirit of the rule. 
 

That’s why the rule was changed. The existing rule was crystal clear. Bills TD. 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

 

I'm one of those people decrying Brady's seeming inability to scheme a productive downfield passing attack.  And yet I know you're right. 

 

The Bills offense produces points without producing TOs.  What else do we really want?

[tigerthelion]

 

Offense definitely looked awful in the 13 seconds game too, am I right?

 

I am ok with winning any way you can.  I still think the offense has to open up to keep the better teams honest.

Edited September 19 by tigerthelion

[Jauronimo]

57 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

You say lack of downfield passing and I say non existent as in they don't have it at all and have yet to see it. What happens when defenses take away the short game? Because by the time playoffs come around that's what the top elite teams will try and do. It has to be incorporated even a little bit and I think Moore would be the perfect guy for it running a 4.35 at his pro day. 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401772918

 

Week 1 saw some long passing plays.

[Einstein]

oh no delete this thread quickly 

[tigerthelion]

46 minutes ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

But this Josh is far more likely to win a Superbowl.

Based on ???  I don't care how they win as long as they win, but I am not convinced this conservative style alone can win in the playoffs.  It has not happened yet.  

 

I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.  He can't play with reckless abandon but the team needs to stretch the field at some point. Can't rely on opponents QBs throwing game losing picks in the red zone in the playoffs.  

[Buffalo Boy]

52 minutes ago, dayman said:

That’s not our fastball and we’ll need our fastball to win in the playoffs and it’s not unreasonable to say we can’t wait until the playoffs to start throwing it. It is fine however, in week 3, to do whatever it is we are doing…for now. When we play Baltimore again, the Chargers, or possibly a KC team that finds their mojo again—we will need to be more aggressive.

I think this is true.

Also true is Josh consistently plays big in big games ( excepting Bengals after Hamlin/GF BS.

 

[Magox]

1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

 

It's always the same people who blame the lack of passes down the field because "The WR's can't separate".   They're flat out wrong in terms of why that is happening, it's happening by design.  There has been a very intentional philosophical and execution change since Brady has taken over the offense and that is to be a team that can play physical, win at the line of scrimmage and throw the ball into areas that are less prone for turnovers and it has worked!

 

 

[billsfan89]

52 minutes ago, dayman said:

That’s not our fastball and we’ll need our fastball to win in the playoffs and it’s not unreasonable to say we can’t wait until the playoffs to start throwing it. It is fine however, in week 3, to do whatever it is we are doing…for now. When we play Baltimore again, the Chargers, or possibly a KC team that finds their mojo again—we will need to be more aggressive.

 

Fans have complained that KC always has "Their Best" stuff saved for the playoffs. Guess what when KC plays in the regular season they can't run all the bells and whistles of their offense to consistently run up the score on lesser teams earlier in the season. I hope the Bills are emulating this it also seems like the Bills are trying to stay healthy and avoid over exposing Josh and having to use him frequently. 

 

The coaching staff is playing the long game with how they are operating the offense and I think it is working. But I think fans just sometimes are prisoners of the moment. 

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Exactly. Like his three interception game opening week against the Jets a couple years back. So fun. Like when he played his first playoff game against the Texans and did that weird last second lateral. What a hoot that was.

 

 

To be fair, Josh wasn’t really the Josh we know yet in the Texans playoff game.