Brand J Posted September 3 Posted September 3 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Perhaps the victims are the law-abiders who pay higher prices because others are stealing? How is it any different from shoplifting from Target? You think if they forced everyone who streams illegally to pay for those streams, then all prices would lower substantially? I don’t. The money would then move to the various streaming platforms and owners/players at these events would become even more wealthy. 3 5 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 minutes ago, Logic said: You're not paying higher prices because others are stealing. You're paying higher prices because of corporate greed, which would exist with or without piracy. LOL ok. Just now, Brand J said: You think if they forced everyone who streams illegally to pay for those streams, then all prices would lower substantially? I don’t. The money would then move to the various streaming platforms and owners/players at these events would become even more wealthy. Yeah I get that this is a prevailing view these days - theft from big companies is fine because they're greedy. I don't agree that it's fine, nor do I agree that it's victimless, but again, I understand that it's a commonly-held core belief now. 1 1 1 Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 minutes ago, Logic said: You're not paying higher prices because others are stealing. You're paying higher prices because of corporate greed, which would exist with or without piracy. I do doubt that if Piracy didn't exist that these corporations would charge less. They actively turned down an offer from ESPN for more money for NFL Sunday Ticket to be much cheaper and actually have al a carte pricing because they wanted to protect the price point. 4 2 Quote
QCity Posted September 3 Posted September 3 11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Perhaps the victims are the law-abiders who pay higher prices because others are stealing? In the wake of this news, streaming companies should be announcing their lower rates any day now. 3 7 1 Quote
Brand J Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Remember when Netflix cracked down on all those account leechers, which then forced more people to pay for Netflix, which then resulted in the company lowering their prices? Yeah, I don’t remember that either. 9 3 2 1 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Just now, QCity said: In the wake of this news, streaming companies should be announcing their lower rates any day now. Again, whatever folks need to tell themselves to justify STEALING, good for them. If you don't think that consumers are footing the bill for enhanced security measures, subscription bleed, etc., you're totally delusional IMO. Just because you can't see all of the measures taken w/r/t digital content (as opposed to the fiberglass locking shelves at CVS, etc.), doesn't mean that expensive measures aren't being implemented. And those of us who pay full freight are paying for them. (Again, I know that a prevailing world view now is that if you pay full price you're a sucker. Times have changed.) 2 1 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 3 Posted September 3 (edited) I'm sure 5 others will come to take it's place and fill the void. Think this was a coincidence in timing? Doubt it. Edited September 3 by Big Turk Quote
billsfan714 Posted September 3 Posted September 3 (edited) From AI---Robert Kraft did not set the price for Sunday Ticket but testified that the NFL wanted to keep the service a "premium offering" rather than a widely accessible, lower-priced product, as evidenced by the rejected ESPN proposal for a much cheaper package. Seems pretty clear the owners dont want a cheaper package. Edited September 3 by billsfan714 1 1 Quote
Logic Posted September 3 Posted September 3 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Again, whatever folks need to tell themselves to justify STEALING, good for them. If you don't think that consumers are footing the bill for enhanced security measures, subscription bleed, etc., you're totally delusional IMO. Just because you can't see all of the measures taken w/r/t digital content (as opposed to the fiberglass locking shelves at CVS, etc.), doesn't mean that expensive measures aren't being implemented. And those of us who pay full freight are paying for them. (Again, I know that a prevailing world view now is that if you pay full price you're a sucker. Times have changed.) Not that this is by any means the gospel on the issue, but...a quick AI answer to the question "does piracy drive up streaming costs?" It's far from the certainty that you make it out to be. 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 3 Posted September 3 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Logic said: You're not paying higher prices because others are stealing. You're paying higher prices because of corporate greed, which would exist with or without piracy. 💯 They just use that as an easy excuse to do what they were going to do anyway, but would have to find a harder excuse for if it didn't exist. Edited September 3 by Big Turk 1 1 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted September 3 Posted September 3 sportsurge has all of them, but I actually pay for my streams now because I can get every sporting event in the world, and I like Australian Rules football and snooker. Trying to figure out Cricket too, but it's pretty confusing. 1 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted September 3 Posted September 3 34 minutes ago, Logic said: You're not paying higher prices because others are stealing. You're paying higher prices because of corporate greed, which would exist with or without piracy. Yet piracy certainly won't make the cost of legally watching something lower. Quote
paulmm3 Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Every business - small and large - has tried to make as much money as possible since the beginning of time. This is not new and is human nature. Prices of everything go up as the government prints more money diluting the money already in existence. I'm also not surprised a business will crack down on illegal piracy of its product from time to time. Whether we want to stream games illegally or not is a personal decision for everyone and fortunately there are still plenty of sites other than Streameast out there. 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 3 Posted September 3 38 minutes ago, Logic said: You're not paying higher prices because others are stealing. You're paying higher prices because of corporate greed, which would exist with or without piracy. To this point, one of the things that has come out of released NFL documents is that the league has had several opportunities to move to host their own affordable and legal streaming service. Hell, they operate NFL+ and stream Redzone. We know they have the capacity. They don't want to do it. They want their product to be a premium subscription like HBO and conveniently seem to miss how that's going right now Honestly, I've made my peace with it for now. I know I evangelize NFL+ Premium, but I legitimately enjoy the radio stream more than some of the TV announcers and matched with RedZone I sometimes actually feel like I know what's happening better. I'm looking at less than a third of games at the 1 pm slot, and the Bills are a major draw at the 4 pm time not to mention all the primetime. I don't *need* to pirate right now But I'm not going to say boo to anyone who does 1 Quote
Metal Man Posted September 3 Posted September 3 The mistake many make in these piracy debates is counting the pirated content as lost revenue. If piracy ceased to exist 100% of those who pirated would not instantly start paying for the content. 3 2 1 Quote
PrimeTime101 Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Sadly... for every 1 black site they take down.. pop comes 20 new ones.. This is everything not just sports. Quote
atomicpwrd Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Perhaps the victims are the law-abiders who pay higher prices because others are stealing? How is it any different from shoplifting from Target? I am sure the price will drop now that they broke up the pirates. 2 Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 3 Posted September 3 55 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Again, whatever folks need to tell themselves to justify STEALING, good for them. If you don't think that consumers are footing the bill for enhanced security measures, subscription bleed, etc., you're totally delusional IMO. Just because you can't see all of the measures taken w/r/t digital content (as opposed to the fiberglass locking shelves at CVS, etc.), doesn't mean that expensive measures aren't being implemented. And those of us who pay full freight are paying for them. (Again, I know that a prevailing world view now is that if you pay full price you're a sucker. Times have changed.) The NFL Turned down more money from ESPN for the NFL Sunday Ticket Package because ESPN wanted to charge less for it and offer single team offers. I'm not gonna say that piracy is the moral thing to do but I am also not going to say that piracy leads to consumers paying more because the NFL actively took less money to make sure the price stays higher. 4 Quote
Dick_Cheney Posted September 3 Posted September 3 It is genuinely sad to see people defending corporations in the year 2025 because "stealing is bad no matter what." Get real. How do those boots taste? 4 2 1 2 1 Quote
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