Keon Coleman- Predict how you will feel about Keon Coleman after the 2025 season.

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

He leads all of our skill players in snaps (even over Cook), targets, receptions, and yards. Not saying he should be free from all criticism but Josh and Joe Brady clearly like him a lot. I don’t think that would be the case if his lack of separation was as hindering as some people make it out to be.

 

Both things could be true, his lack of separation could be hindering him from being an elite WR but he's still a quality player contributing in multiple ways. The team doesn't need Keon to be a Diggs level superstar they just need him to be a quality boundary WR who can win outside matchups here or there.

[dorquemada]

11 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Shakir, Davis, Benjamin, Funchess, and Coleman are the most effective WR's Beane has drafted in his career. Not exactly a group to write home about. Shakir is the best of the lot, but one thing is clear, outside of Shakir, he likes them big and slow. Maybe he calls it "physical". Good thing he's better at drafting on defense. 

Ironically, he prefers his defensemen to be small and light.  Is he dyslexic?

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

Ironically, he prefers his defensemen to be small and light.  Is he dyslexic?

just the DT's.  He also likes big DE's who aren't known for being bendy. 

[vtnatefootball11]

50 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Both things could be true, his lack of separation could be hindering him from being an elite WR but he's still a quality player contributing in multiple ways. The team doesn't need Keon to be a Diggs level superstar they just need him to be a quality boundary WR who can win outside matchups here or there.

 

They don't need him to be a superstar but a real threat would be nice! It only works because Josh has to play at a super human level. We have several quality receivers but nobody that scares you and no guy on the boundary we can depend on when we need a big play. Hoping Coleman progresses further and quickly or once again its going to be all on Josh. Will we stack regular seasons wins? Sure. But not sustainable to go on a Super Bowl run in this conference. Coleman has shown flashes but he's got to be way more consistent to take the next steps. He's nothing more than a marginal starter at this point, that's the truth and I was a huge fan of his coming out of college. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:24 PM by vtnatefootball11

[Magox]

Keon was getting open a lot this past week.  His ability to separate has really improved and it's just a matter of Josh looking his way a little more.   We have ourselves a good WR in Keon.   I expect he'll have the ball thrown his way a good bit more, specially in big games.

14 hours ago, DCofNC said:

He’s still just not good at separating, but he does seem to be using his body well and coming down with contested catches.  I’m not sure he’ll ever be much more than a solid #3 if this is his game, but hopefully he keeps working and proves my theory wrong.

 

Absolutely not the case!

 

This is a tired talking point.

 

[skibum]

The INT was a great play by the safety, but also the throw was a little off to the inside. Keon maybe could have held separation if he was tracking the ball more to his right, and the safety would have had farther to travel. 

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Magox said:

Keon was getting open a lot this past week.  His ability to separate has really improved and it's just a matter of Josh looking his way a little more.   We have ourselves a good WR in Keon.   I expect he'll have the ball thrown his way a good bit more, specially in big games.

 

Absolutely not the case!

 

This is a tired talking point.

 

Reaffirms what my eyes told me.  He’s not going to win every rep.  No one does. 
 

He’s improving as a route runner 💯 where I’d like to see him do more of is to attack every pass like he owns it.  
 

Hopefully he’s studying some davante adams.  He’s mastered the art of pushing off slightly without getting called. It’s SUCH a great skill and many huge plays are created because the WR pushes off subtly enough to win.  
 

I’d also like to see us throw more him more sideline back shoulder passes.  That play uses his athleticism and size to its maximum.  Let him use his body to shield the defender and throw it to the sideline.  He made around 4-5 last season iirc, 2 vs Baltimore.  It’s a pass I don’t see Josh throw very often.  I wonder if they deem it as too turnover prone 

 

in general, I’d like us to throw more to the sideline.  2 plays before Kincaids TD, Kincaid had the fb pinned on the inside, creating a lane on the sideline allowing Kincaids body to act as a barrier to the db.  But Josh threw it too far inside.  I felt Josh did the same thing to Keon in the end zone vs Wiggins week 1.  More loft and to the sideline and we had a decent shot at completing it imo.  
 
considering we have Coleman, Palmer, Kincaid, Knox, Hawes and shavers, I’d expect us to create some mismatches vs smaller defenders and that’s the perfect play 

[TheBrownBear]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Reaffirms what my eyes told me.  He’s not going to win every rep.  No one does. 
 

He’s improving as a route runner 💯 where I’d like to see him do more of is to attack every pass like he owns it.  
 

Hopefully he’s studying some davante adams.  He’s mastered the art of pushing off slightly without getting called. It’s SUCH a great skill and many huge plays are created because the WR pushes off subtly enough to win.  
 

I’d also like to see us throw more him more sideline back shoulder passes.  That play uses his athleticism and size to its maximum.  Let him use his body to shield the defender and throw it to the sideline.  He made around 4-5 last season iirc, 2 vs Baltimore.  It’s a pass I don’t see Josh throw very often.  I wonder if they deem it as too turnover prone 

 

in general, I’d like us to throw more to the sideline.  2 plays before Kincaids TD, Kincaid had the fb pinned on the inside, creating a lane on the sideline allowing Kincaids body to act as a barrier to the db.  But Josh threw it too far inside.  I felt Josh did the same thing to Keon in the end zone vs Wiggins week 1.  More loft and to the sideline and we had a decent shot at completing it imo.  
 
considering we have Coleman, Palmer, Kincaid, Knox, Hawes and shavers, I’d expect us to create some mismatches vs smaller defenders and that’s the perfect play 

I agree with everything here, but I do think there's sideline opportunities for us if and when we need them.  I think we've been content to dump off and nibble chunks of the middle of the field over the past three games, since those were essentially "limit mistakes and let the inferior opponent lose the game" type of matchups. 

[Warriorspikes51]

his route running and release is vastly improved IMO

[Cubanmist 1]

Honestly, he is not the reason, whether he plays a little better or not to not go out and find a true number freaking 1 WR for Josh. Super long overdue. If Beane would have been patient, we would have had Jefferson rather than a headache.

Edited Wednesday at 05:23 PM by Cubanmist 1

[DCofNC]

14 hours ago, Avisan said:

Do you have any evidence that Keon Coleman is benefitting more than other receivers from facing man coverage?

Do you have any evidence he’s not?  Do you know how the separation metrics are calculated or even what they truly indicate?

[Avisan]

Just now, DCofNC said:

Do you have any evidence he’s not?  Do you know how the separation metrics are calculated or even what they truly indicate?

I mean, I suppose I could personally deep dive into every advanced metric to get a feel for their exact ins and outs, but I'm pretty comfortable leaving that to other folks because ultimately it doesn't matter that much.

 

I think it's reasonable to start with a baseline assumption that most teams are facing roughly comparable types of coverage and that metrics are designed to be able to compare like with like, because that's the only way that they're useful.  Your position is that Keon Coleman is ranking well in terms of separation metrics because he's facing outlier coverage relative to other receivers, which seems a difficult position to justify in the absence of your own data that demonstrates this.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, skibum said:

The INT was a great play by the safety, but also the throw was a little off to the inside. Keon maybe could have held separation if he was tracking the ball more to his right, and the safety would have had farther to travel. 

 

In todays Buffalo News article by Jim Kubiak, he blamed the Int on Allen being late on the throw.  According to him Allen hesitated and think he understands the game better than most posters here. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

Stats wise? Not impressed thus far.