Eric Dickerson Claims Teams Were Told To Not Draft Shedeur Sanders

[QLBillsFan]

33 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Make an example of him for what?

Exactly?? The teams draft players that can help them win-period! Why would his dad who has inside knowledge of the nfl interview process, not prepare SS better ? He and SS are arrogant narcissistic people who believe they are above an interview. I’m guessing that each GM and coach went through extensive prep for the positions they are in. Why would a person with $$$$ on the line not prepare. Given he has the privilege of his dad’s connections and fame why act that way. Somehow SS is a victim. Then after a preseason game he attacks a journalist.. the kid just doesn’t get it. And he never will.

[Dick_Cheney]

I mean, I'm pretty damn anti-corporate and think the NFL is a deeply problematic institution as much as I love the game. That said, it is absolutely an honor and a privilege to be able to play a child's game for millions upon millions of dollars. If a player isn't willing to go through a rudimentary interview process for the handful of teams that are actually interested in him, then what does that say about the player?

 

What does that say about him being a real team player? What does that say about his abillity to tough out the tiny, little, annoying fragments of the grinding and brutal life of actually being an NFL player in the long run? That you, especially already one the son of a mega millionaire celebrity, have some holier than thou attitude and say that you're the exception? Obviously a team's front office won't like that, but if I was another player, I wouldn't be too thrilled with the guy either, especially since he has plenty of question marks and isn't undeniably some pre-destined Hall of Famer. 

 

Everyday Americans put in more effort to find a 9-5 job in this current market than what it sounds like what this kid did for teams leading up to the draft. He deserves no sympathy, and although I doubt the accuracy of this story, I'm glad it turned out the way it did and he wasn't rewarded for his behavior. 

[BillsShredder83]

38 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Make an example of him for what?

The implication is implied- flashy black man. Not exactly a new phenomenon for the nfl to decide worth exposing its arse over.

 

Where'd he "hear" this? Deion? 😂

[TheBrownBear]

37 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

From the posted article:

"Consider this. Sanders fell (we were told after the draft) because he viewed the pre-draft process as he was being recruited, not as he was being interviewed. He was essentially pushing back against the “honor and a privilege” nonsense. If his approach had been ratified by a high selection in the draft, others may have done the same.

And the NFL does not want the cyborgs to become self-aware.

So it’s not crazy. In the hidden (until it wasn’t) collusion ruling, the arbitrator found that the NFL’s Management Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged teams as a result of the Watson contract to resist fully-guaranteed contracts. Would it be nuts to think that the league, which has made the draft into a massive offseason tentpole event by perpetuating the notion that it’s a Harry Potter sorting-hat ceremony, will react negatively to any player who doesn’t play along?

“It’s a job interview.” We hear it every year. Players get poked and prodded and interrogated and scrutinized. For the system to work, the players need to submit. If they ever realize the power that comes from saying, “It’s an honor and a privilege for you to be able to employ us,” the whole thing could fall apart.

It’s all about power. It’s all about showing those who don’t have the power that there are consequences to not yielding to the power."

Right.  Probably worried that the NFL will become the NBA where the players hold all the power.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

35 minutes ago, Logic said:

It has already started to happen, little by little, with the scouting combine (which I think will be more or less obsolete within a decade as more and more prominent players refuse to participate in it).

If they ALSO start to decline the pre-draft interview rat race or, at the very least, to steer it more in the direction of "you're recruiting ME, I'm not interviewing for a job"...could be interesting.

Granted, all of this mostly applies to the 1st and 2nd round, top talent guys. I don't imagine mid round to UDFA caliber guys are gonna be pulling these power plays any time soon.

 

So the higher a guy is drafted, they get a bigger contract which means the agent also gets a little bigger cut.  So can't see agents really pushing for this unless  they know their client isn't going to fair well in this process.  Can't imagine someone wouldn't "break rank" and then they get drafted higher and get the bigger $$'s

[boyst]

even if they did it is their business and shold be allowed to do as they please

[bigduke6]

when it comes down to it the NFL is a bunch of old wealthy white guys who dont like their employees telling them what to do.  Sanders wanted to do his own thing,  well,  that usually has consequences in the real world.  do i believe the NFL colluded?  sure,  theyve been caught multiple times,  zero reason to think otherwise.  we all have to know our place in this world.  you want to rock the boat,  pick a fight with somebody bigger than you,  you better know you can win.  just how it is.  

[BillsShredder83]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Right.  Probably worried that the NFL will become the NBA where the players hold all the power.

That can happen in a 5 on 5 sport with a shallow roster, and the ability of one star to change a franchises future for 10+ years.

 

A franchise qb can have a huge effect on a franchise, but nowhere near the effect one FA signing in NBA can afford. Look no further than Burrow! If league hard resets today, hes a top 3 pick. Sure they've benefited from him... but compare his effect to the NBA.

 

How many singular guys could sing be more valuable to a teams future, compared to his on an NFL team.

 

There's got to be 30+ guys in the NBA that would change a franchises win% more than a Burrow does the NFL. Its never happening.

[Neo]

44 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

From the posted article:

"Consider this. Sanders fell (we were told after the draft) because he viewed the pre-draft process as he was being recruited, not as he was being interviewed. He was essentially pushing back against the “honor and a privilege” nonsense. If his approach had been ratified by a high selection in the draft, others may have done the same.

And the NFL does not want the cyborgs to become self-aware.

So it’s not crazy. In the hidden (until it wasn’t) collusion ruling, the arbitrator found that the NFL’s Management Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged teams as a result of the Watson contract to resist fully-guaranteed contracts. Would it be nuts to think that the league, which has made the draft into a massive offseason tentpole event by perpetuating the notion that it’s a Harry Potter sorting-hat ceremony, will react negatively to any player who doesn’t play along?

“It’s a job interview.” We hear it every year. Players get poked and prodded and interrogated and scrutinized. For the system to work, the players need to submit. If they ever realize the power that comes from saying, “It’s an honor and a privilege for you to be able to employ us,” the whole thing could fall apart.

It’s all about power. It’s all about showing those who don’t have the power that there are consequences to not yielding to the power."

 

I’ll come at this differently.

 

It’s all about competition.   There are 212 Shedures in any draft, each slightly different from one another.   Here’s three “power challengers” that had thirty two teams drooling.   I can’t explain Shedeur’s fall.  He’s a one time thing, like everyone.  I also can’t see see dozens critically thinking business people accomplishing nothing, at great expense in lost opportunity, to teach someone a public lesson.  His dad was the ultimate in arrogance when drafted out of Florida State.   There’s not a team in the league that wouldn’t take him number one over all in a re-draft.   Encouraging the league to avoid massive guarantees is apples to oranges.   That’s a “how we do business as an industry” issue.  Shedeur’s a “who do we employ” issue.    

 

1 John Elway, QB. Elway threatened to play baseball to avoid the Colts. ...  drafted on schedule.

2 Jim Kelly, QB. Kelly spent several years in the USFL to avoid playing for the Bills. ...  welcomed back with open arms.

3 Eli Manning, QB. The future two-time Super Bowl MVP forced his way out of San Diego. ... 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Doubt the NFL is dumb enough to do something like this especially after what happened to an idiot like Gruden who was dumb/smug enough to write dumb-a$$ stuff in email .  Could a few scouts or GM’s on different teams who are friendly  discussed how entitled Sanders came across in interviews, I could believe that.  

[KOKBILLS]

All due respect Mr. Dickerson...

[Jalan81]

52 minutes ago, Logic said:

For those saying this seems far-fetched, I'll just say...

The NFL has been caught in the act of collusion already. The Kaepernick stuff didn't happen that long ago.

I don't know whether Dickerson is telling the truth here or not. But I don't find it AT ALL hard to believe that a company worth as much as the NFL and whose continuous supply of willing labor balances so precariously on a teeter-totter of precedence and tradition would engage in collusion to ensure their continued success. PARTICULARLY given that they've already been found guilty of collusion in the past.

There was nothing in this to affect the league. Zero financial, zero political. Actually more to be lost as the racial aspect could have blown up. He tried to control where he would end up and it blew up I his face, nothing more nothing less. 

[QLBillsFan]

38 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

The implication is implied- flashy black man. Not exactly a new phenomenon for the nfl to decide worth exposing its arse over.

 

Where'd he "hear" this? Deion? 😂

Exactly as if Hollywood Henderson or Frenchy Fuqua or Otis Sistrunk didn’t hit the NFL in the 70’s. Or James Harris and Doug Williams didn’t excel at the qb position🤷🏻‍♂️.. ridiculous to think the NFL= (the man) is holding down players (particularly black) when 70% of the league is. The Sanders privileged attitude is the problem. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I call bull####

 

At the same time, the Commissioner once sat down with Michael Vick and told him to NOT sign with Buffalo and make a deal with the Eagles instead so... who knows.

Edited August 22 by DrDawkinstein

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

 

From the posted article:

"Consider this. Sanders fell (we were told after the draft) because he viewed the pre-draft process as he was being recruited, not as he was being interviewed. He was essentially pushing back against the “honor and a privilege” nonsense. If his approach had been ratified by a high selection in the draft, others may have done the same.

And the NFL does not want the cyborgs to become self-aware.

So it’s not crazy. In the hidden (until it wasn’t) collusion ruling, the arbitrator found that the NFL’s Management Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged teams as a result of the Watson contract to resist fully-guaranteed contracts. Would it be nuts to think that the league, which has made the draft into a massive offseason tentpole event by perpetuating the notion that it’s a Harry Potter sorting-hat ceremony, will react negatively to any player who doesn’t play along?

“It’s a job interview.” We hear it every year. Players get poked and prodded and interrogated and scrutinized. For the system to work, the players need to submit. If they ever realize the power that comes from saying, “It’s an honor and a privilege for you to be able to employ us,” the whole thing could fall apart.

It’s all about power. It’s all about showing those who don’t have the power that there are consequences to not yielding to the power."

 

It’s not that far fetched at all IMO. Those rules apply to anyone not name Manning. 

[QLBillsFan]

40 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Right.  Probably worried that the NFL will become the NBA where the players hold all the power.

Wrong .. the NFL seeks good players. Several guys of very questionable character were drafted ahead of SS. But he’s supposed to potentially the face of the franchise. With that comes responsibility and maturity. SS has none of that.. perhaps it will happen at some point. The NFLPA  has negotiated friendly terms with the owners.. the players can change that but they don’t. The NFL owners have the power and one immature player is not going to change that. It’s an interview don’t act like a cocky fool and it might help. That applies to any industry.

[QLBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

It’s not that far fetched at all IMO. Those rules apply to anyone not name Manning. 

So the difference is… Mannings interviewed well. SS was above it. 

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

For those saying this seems far-fetched, I'll just say...

The NFL has been caught in the act of collusion already. The Kaepernick stuff didn't happen that long ago.

I don't know whether Dickerson is telling the truth here or not. But I don't find it AT ALL hard to believe that a company worth as much as the NFL and whose continuous supply of willing labor balances so precariously on a teeter-totter of precedence and tradition would engage in collusion to ensure their continued success. PARTICULARLY given that they've already been found guilty of collusion in the past.

Kap was a coerced clown being led into political abyss without a single trace of a clue. He was pissed he got benched and then jumped to the knee act. If Josh Allen did that he would still have had many teams interested. Denver offered him a contract and he rejected. He like SS is not a victim.

They have zero emotional intelligence and are me centric. But if they were good they would both starting in the league. SS has some talent and can be a starter at some point. If he is willing to work at it and be self reflective. We shall see. 

37 minutes ago, Neo said:

 

I’ll come at this differently.

 

It’s all about competition.   There are 212 Shedures in any draft, each slightly different from one another.   Here’s three “power challengers” that had thirty two teams drooling.   I can’t explain Shedeur’s fall.  He’s a one time thing, like everyone.  I also can’t see see dozens critically thinking business people accomplishing nothing, at great expense in lost opportunity, to teach someone a public lesson.  His dad was the ultimate in arrogance when drafted out of Florida State.   There’s not a team in the league that wouldn’t take him number one over all in a re-draft.   Encouraging the league to avoid massive guarantees is apples to oranges.   That’s a “how we do business as an industry” issue.  Shedeur’s a “who do we employ” issue.    

 

1 John Elway, QB. Elway threatened to play baseball to avoid the Colts. ...  drafted on schedule.

2 Jim Kelly, QB. Kelly spent several years in the USFL to avoid playing for the Bills. ...  welcomed back with open arms.

3 Eli Manning, QB. The future two-time Super Bowl MVP forced his way out of San Diego. ... 

 

 

 

 

All three were hall of fame talents. SS was a possible first rounder but more likely 2nd or 3rd. He tried to power play like them… but he isn’t good enough. It’s that simple. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

For those saying this seems far-fetched, I'll just say...

The NFL has been caught in the act of collusion already. The Kaepernick stuff didn't happen that long ago.

I don't know whether Dickerson is telling the truth here or not. But I don't find it AT ALL hard to believe that a company worth as much as the NFL and whose continuous supply of willing labor balances so precariously on a teeter-totter of precedence and tradition would engage in collusion to ensure their continued success. PARTICULARLY given that they've already been found guilty of collusion in the past.

There have been many CLAIMS of collusion in the past, even recently, but very few incidences of PROVEN collusion. I find that most of these claims don't hold much water and are impossible to prove even if there is a little smoke to them.

 

Even the Kaepernick situation. Why would any team want to take on the media storm for a declining, backup level QB? That didn't take collusion. It took common sense. Yes, they ended up settling with him, but not for very much money and probably just to make it go away. They never admitted any guilt whatsoever in that situation, nor were found guilty.

[appoo]

Abdul Carter didn't workout at all at the combine or his pro day (for a shoulder injury that he'd played through in the playoffs and was likely healed), and I'm not even sure he did private workouts. 

 

This is all insane