julian Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM 59 minutes ago, Sojourner said: There’s always that one guy!!! 2 waiver wire pick ups for a star and a key player! Great deal!!! They’re the same dudes who send those instant click reject trades in fantasy, it’s so far from reality you can’t even counter. 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Sunday at 08:29 PM Posted Sunday at 08:29 PM 18 hours ago, Doc Brown said: A hand shake will suffice. Dodged a bullet there😋 Make it so ! 6 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Cool. They run that because they do not have a man. How has it worked out come playoff time? Is that pressure there? But that is what they do. Agree or disagree and we get beat in the run game during the playoffs with those chunk plays of 6-8 yard runs And why I am all about pressure up the middle and controlling the line of scrimmage between the hashes. Perhaps then the DEs can make a few game changing plays ! Quote
3rdand12 Posted Sunday at 08:42 PM Posted Sunday at 08:42 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, SCBills said: I think you just have to do it and figure it out later. They have restructures, trades, cuts they can do to make it fit this year and then next year you’re just obviously knowing you have to replace James Cook, Connor McGovern and David Edwards. Potentially makes a long term deal for O’Cyrus Torrence tougher. If, and I know we likely won’t, but if we did get this deal done.. We’re essentially gutting the interior of the OL over the next two years to pay Parsons. So how do we feel about Kromer’s ability to have replacements ready to go in SVPG, Grable, Anderson etc.? as that might be the succession plan should we make this trade. I dont like that. Regardless of Aaron K's ability's might expand to see my bolded Edited Sunday at 08:43 PM by 3rdand12 Quote
BarleyNY Posted Sunday at 08:46 PM Posted Sunday at 08:46 PM 18 hours ago, MikePJ76 said: You guys don’t actually think parsons is getting traded do you? This is just typical cowboys nonsense. parsons need for attention is almost as big as Jerry jones need. if he was truly serious about wanting out he wouldn’t be at practice everyday but he isn’t doing that because he will get fined and he really doesn’t want out. this is all bluster for attention. Monday morning every backwards hat YouTube bro and talking heads at each network will spend all day talking about this and picking a side insisting one is right over the other. the week the cowboys play the eagles to kick off the season parsons will sign and be the highest paid non qb. Him and Jerry will be on tv together laughing at everyone just like Zeke and Jerry, Dez and Jerry, Dak and Jerry etc. these attention whores are exhausting. I think the most likely scenario is that Jerry makes him the highest paid non-QB in the league and everyone is happy again. The only thing working against that deal getting done is that I have heard rumblings that Parsons isn’t a person that most in the locker room would miss. If there really is a big-ish issue there, then maybe Dallas moves him - probably next offseason (after tagging him) for some premium picks. 1 Quote
Billl Posted Monday at 02:10 PM Posted Monday at 02:10 PM 17 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I think the most likely scenario is that Jerry makes him the highest paid non-QB in the league and everyone is happy again. The only thing working against that deal getting done is that I have heard rumblings that Parsons isn’t a person that most in the locker room would miss. If there really is a big-ish issue there, then maybe Dallas moves him - probably next offseason (after tagging him) for some premium picks. This is why teams should (almost) never trade for players. Let’s say that next year he’s franchised and traded. What does the other team have to give up in addition to the 5 years/$225 million contract? Is it really worth giving up draft picks on top of the massive salary cap strain? It’s the ultimate “Super Bowl or Bust” move. 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted Monday at 02:20 PM Posted Monday at 02:20 PM Just now, Billl said: This is why teams should (almost) never trade for players. Let’s say that next year he’s franchised and traded. What does the other team have to give up in addition to the 5 years/$225 million contract? Is it really worth giving up draft picks on top of the massive salary cap strain? It’s the ultimate “Super Bowl or Bust” move. Honestly, once they are in that tagged role, not as much. DK holding out for his contract this offseason only went for a second. Traded a year earlier, he probably would have yielded a first. Now, a player of Parsons caliber may still get multiple firsts, but may have gotten 3 firsts and 2 seconds a year ago. Ultimately, if you look at the Khalil Mack trade, which was in September after a contract dispute, the price was 2 firsts, a third, a sixth. Those players ended up being Josh Jacobs, Damon Arnette, Bryan Edwards and the 6th was traded to the Jets. Are those players combined at their price point worth a Khalil Mack in his prime, even on a massive deal? Of course not. The Rams had this right. Draft picks don’t win games, players do. The goal is to get as many as you can 1 Quote
Billl Posted Monday at 02:38 PM Posted Monday at 02:38 PM 1 minute ago, RoscoeParrish said: Honestly, once they are in that tagged role, not as much. DK holding out for his contract this offseason only went for a second. Traded a year earlier, he probably would have yielded a first. Now, a player of Parsons caliber may still get multiple firsts, but may have gotten 3 firsts and 2 seconds a year ago. Ultimately, if you look at the Khalil Mack trade, which was in September after a contract dispute, the price was 2 firsts, a third, a sixth. Those players ended up being Josh Jacobs, Damon Arnette, Bryan Edwards and the 6th was traded to the Jets. Are those players combined at their price point worth a Khalil Mack in his prime, even on a massive deal? Of course not. The Rams had this right. Draft picks don’t win games, players do. The goal is to get as many as you can You aren’t factoring in the salary cap hit, though. The Khalil Mack trade brought the Raiders Jacob’s, Arnette, Edwards, a 6th round pick PLUS nearly $25 million a year in cap space (which was the largest contract fora defensive player in history at the time and would be about $45 million in today’s cap dollars). In other words, they could have drafted those players and still had enough cap space to sign the biggest name on the FA market. Yes, the Raiders did what the Raiders do and pissed away their picks, but that doesn’t mean the Bears made a good decision to give up draft picks for the right to give out a market-resetting contract. The salary pays the player. The picks are really for the surplus value of the player’s contract. If the player isn’t going to play on an existing contract, there isn’t any value there. It would be one thing if the player was on a bargain contract and not demanding a new deal, but that’s exceedingly rare. Basically, if a player is worth a $40 million salary and a first round pick, he’s worth a $60 million salary. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted Monday at 02:44 PM Posted Monday at 02:44 PM 4 minutes ago, Billl said: You aren’t factoring in the salary cap hit, though. The Khalil Mack trade brought the Raiders Jacob’s, Arnette, Edwards, a 6th round pick PLUS nearly $25 million a year in cap space (which was the largest contract fora defensive player in history at the time and would be about $45 million in today’s cap dollars). In other words, they could have drafted those players and still had enough cap space to sign the biggest name on the FA market. Yes, the Raiders did what the Raiders do and pissed away their picks, but that doesn’t mean the Bears made a good decision to give up draft picks for the right to give out a market-resetting contract. The salary pays the player. The picks are really for the surplus value of the player’s contract. If the player isn’t going to play on an existing contract, there isn’t any value there. It would be one thing if the player was on a bargain contract and not demanding a new deal, but that’s exceedingly rare. Basically, if a player is worth a $40 million salary and a first round pick, he’s worth a $60 million salary. I think that is why including Ed Oliver makes a lot of sense in this fantasy scenario. It gives the Cowboys a player to swap in on the DL, and gives us $11M in cap space. Then we only need to find... about $30M more in cap space 😆 Although I assume any big, long term deal would give us lower cap hits in the first couple of years. 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted Monday at 02:49 PM Posted Monday at 02:49 PM 6 minutes ago, Billl said: You aren’t factoring in the salary cap hit, though. The Khalil Mack trade brought the Raiders Jacob’s, Arnette, Edwards, a 6th round pick PLUS nearly $25 million a year in cap space (which was the largest contract fora defensive player in history at the time and would be about $45 million in today’s cap dollars). In other words, they could have drafted those players and still had enough cap space to sign the biggest name on the FA market. Yes, the Raiders did what the Raiders do and pissed away their picks, but that doesn’t mean the Bears made a good decision to give up draft picks for the right to give out a market-resetting contract. The salary pays the player. The picks are really for the surplus value of the player’s contract. If the player isn’t going to play on an existing contract, there isn’t any value there. It would be one thing if the player was on a bargain contract and not demanding a new deal, but that’s exceedingly rare. Basically, if a player is worth a $40 million salary and a first round pick, he’s worth a $60 million salary. There’s no stellar defensive FA to pay. If a team has 2 awesome EDGEs and trades one for picks and keeps the other at a high salary, I sort’ve understand. But the Chiefs could’ve gotten a TON of salary cap relief and picks if they traded Chris Jones in 2023. You know why they didn’t do that? Because having Chris Jones is better than 2 firsts and salary cap space, especially because there’s no one worth using that space on. The Bills have tried and failed to find defensive difference makers in FA. The guys that hit FA are either super old, like Von Miller, or super injury prone, like Joey Bosa. Superstar 26 year olds at super high paid positions like QB, WR, pass rush and OT generally don’t hit FA. They are either paid by the team that drafted them, or traded for and paid. 1 1 Quote
Billl Posted Monday at 02:51 PM Posted Monday at 02:51 PM 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I think that is why including Ed Oliver makes a lot of sense in this fantasy scenario. It gives the Cowboys a player to swap in on the DL, and gives us $11M in cap space. Then we only need to find... about $30M more in cap space 😆 Although I assume any big, long term deal would give us lower cap hits in the first couple of years. It would make sense for Buffalo but not Dallas. Why would they want the most expensive years of Oliver’s contract? Buffalo already got the two cheap years of a back-loaded deal. You’d have to pay a team to take on that contract. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted Monday at 03:19 PM Posted Monday at 03:19 PM 27 minutes ago, Billl said: It would make sense for Buffalo but not Dallas. Why would they want the most expensive years of Oliver’s contract? Buffalo already got the two cheap years of a back-loaded deal. You’d have to pay a team to take on that contract. Because it's still way cheaper than $43M/yr to Parsons. Almost half. Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted Monday at 03:39 PM Posted Monday at 03:39 PM 42 minutes ago, Billl said: It would make sense for Buffalo but not Dallas. Why would they want the most expensive years of Oliver’s contract? Buffalo already got the two cheap years of a back-loaded deal. You’d have to pay a team to take on that contract. Oliver would basically have no guarantees left and would almost certainly accept a restructured deal to increase his guarantees and lower his giant base salary. And he’s a plus player in the league. It’s not uncomplicated but for a team like Dallas that may want to sell “retooling” vs “rebuilding,” getting a good defensive player in return isn’t nothing. 1 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted Monday at 03:43 PM Posted Monday at 03:43 PM Parsons is overrated. He definitely made no difference against the Bills as Cook ran all over him. That’s how you stop him and the whole league knows it. That’s why they are never able to make any noise in the post-season. Give me a TJ Watt or Myles Garrett over Parsons any day of the week. Not setting the record for highest paid defender of all time for a specialist. 1 3 1 Quote
Bray Wyatt Posted Monday at 03:56 PM Posted Monday at 03:56 PM 9 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Parsons is overrated. He definitely made no difference against the Bills as Cook ran all over him. That’s how you stop him and the whole league knows it. That’s why they are never able to make any noise in the post-season. Give me a TJ Watt or Myles Garrett over Parsons any day of the week. Not setting the record for highest paid defender of all time for a specialist. Yes we ran all over the cowboys and it took parsons out of the game. Their DC did not do anything to adjust to it, which was more of the problem. Not Parsons. You blame him for their lack of post season success? Where is all of that success for TJ Watt and Myles Garrett then? This post reads to me like someone who knows we arent going to get him (while I would love to have him, I dont see it happening) and not bothering to get their hopes up. Make no mistake, Parsons would instantly transform this defense to Super Bowl caliber. 1 3 1 Quote
GerstAusGosheim Posted Monday at 04:18 PM Posted Monday at 04:18 PM This is just the kind of deal that a HC/GM combo who has failed to make the SB with the #2 QB in the league would make. 1 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 22 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: Yes we ran all over the cowboys and it took parsons out of the game. Their DC did not do anything to adjust to it, which was more of the problem. Not Parsons. You blame him for their lack of post season success? Where is all of that success for TJ Watt and Myles Garrett then? This post reads to me like someone who knows we arent going to get him (while I would love to have him, I dont see it happening) and not bothering to get their hopes up. Make no mistake, Parsons would instantly transform this defense to Super Bowl caliber. Actually, I learned from the Von Miller debacle. You can add Super Mario to the list too. Just not a fan of spending that kind of money on any position that’s not a QB. And if I did then I would get a more well-rounded player. Not someone you have to take off the field for obvious running downs. Or I would take that money and spend it on a couple very good players. And I absolutely do blame it on the defense (which Parsons captains.) Their last playoff loss they gave up 48 points ! 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago On 8/1/2025 at 1:39 PM, wppete said: I’d trade Ed Oliver, James Cook a 1st round pick and 2 2nd round picks. That should get it done… Thoughts? Parsons is seeking a new deal worth $40 million per year. Oliver and Cook are set to make about half that amount combined in 2025. What are you going to do to dump another $20 million against the cap? Quote
Mat68 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago On 8/4/2025 at 11:43 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Parsons is overrated. He definitely made no difference against the Bills as Cook ran all over him. That’s how you stop him and the whole league knows it. That’s why they are never able to make any noise in the post-season. Give me a TJ Watt or Myles Garrett over Parsons any day of the week. Not setting the record for highest paid defender of all time for a specialist. They played a 210 saftey at mike. They ran duo at the mike all game. Is he better than Rousseau vs the run absolutely not. Is he on par with everyone else on the roster vs the run? Yes. He would bring an absolute difference maker in the pass rush. Get Mahomes, Burrow and Jackson on the ground. Play a banged up oline and have a guy get multiple sacks. 1 Quote
Brand J Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Just now, Mat68 said: They played a 210 saftey at mike. They ran duo at the mike all game. Is he better than Rousseau vs the run absolutely not. Is he on par with everyone else on the roster vs the run? Yes. He would bring an absolute difference maker in the pass rush. Get Mahomes, Burrow and Jackson on the ground. Play a banged up oline and have a guy get multiple sacks. Yeah, the stuff about Parsons and his run stopping ability is overblown. We lose in the playoffs every. single. year. for one reason and one reason only and hint: it’s not because we have trouble stopping the run. 2 Quote
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