It's Sauce Gardner's turn. Extended through 2030, $120 Million.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I would prefer the next rookie QB on the Jets to be joining a terrible roster. Not one with very good players.

 

I think the best thing a team can do is have a very talented team around a young QB. I think a bad thing to do is have them running around for their life.

I get that.

 

I guess what I’m saying is if Kaiir Elam was a 3x All Pro, 3x Pro Bowler and 2nd in defensive player of the year voting, I think the Bills probably give him a similar deal to Sauce and save money elsewhere.

How does that compare to Cook , in your opinion ?

 One thing i think remains an issue for Jets is a disconnect last few years between the players Coaches and message. Starts with Woody.

Agree about Wilson getting paid. It would be silly not to.

 Hope jets Coaches feel strongly enough about Gardner for the long haul.

 

 

[RoscoeParrish]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

How does that compare to Cook , in your opinion ?

 One thing i think remains an issue for Jets is a disconnect last few years between the players Coaches and message. Starts with Woody.

Agree about Wilson getting paid. It would be silly not to.

 Hope jets Coaches feel strongly enough about Gardner for the long haul.

 

 

Cook is a great example of where it gets tricky.

 

the easiest contracts for GMs to give out are the ones to great players. No one batted at eye at paying Josh. Whether he’s the best or the second best, everyone knows he’s elite and worth it.

 

the hardest are the “borderline” elite guys, especially if they hold their ground. Cook is clearly very good and can likely command near elite money. If the Bills wanted to give him that, he’d be signed. 
 

But like @Augie said, you can’t pay everyone. And every extra dollar you give Cook, there’s less to go around. 

The extra challenge is that we are in an ever shortening SB window. That gives Cook some more leverage to squeeze out money, but also means you don’t get too many more mistakes before you run out of time.

 

Ultimately, I think you have to stick to your guns as a GM. The Jets think Sauce is worth top of the market money. Sauce thinks if he hits FA, he’s gonna get top of the market money. Theres no reason to waste time so the deal is done 

 

The Bills don’t think Cook is worth top of the market money. Cook thinks if he hits FA, he’s gonna get top of the market money. And there’s your impasse. 

After that, it’s a matter of timing. The Bills have attached a number to their pending FAs. Maybe before Rousseau and the rest were signed, there was a chance that Cook gets a bigger contract and Bernard isn’t locked up yet. But that has passed. By the same token, if Cook had a Saquon Barkley type season last year, maybe he gets paid first. 

[TBBills Fan]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A contract based off of his rookie season.  

 

Yeah he is over rated

 

I'd take Benford and his desk over Sauce and this one all day

[3rdand12]

40 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Cook is a great example of where it gets tricky.

 

the easiest contracts for GMs to give out are the ones to great players. No one batted at eye at paying Josh. Whether he’s the best or the second best, everyone knows he’s elite and worth it.

 

the hardest are the “borderline” elite guys, especially if they hold their ground. Cook is clearly very good and can likely command near elite money. If the Bills wanted to give him that, he’d be signed. 
 

But like @Augie said, you can’t pay everyone. And every extra dollar you give Cook, there’s less to go around. 

The extra challenge is that we are in an ever shortening SB window. That gives Cook some more leverage to squeeze out money, but also means you don’t get too many more mistakes before you run out of time.

 

Ultimately, I think you have to stick to your guns as a GM. The Jets think Sauce is worth top of the market money. Sauce thinks if he hits FA, he’s gonna get top of the market money. Theres no reason to waste time so the deal is done 

 

The Bills don’t think Cook is worth top of the market money. Cook thinks if he hits FA, he’s gonna get top of the market money. And there’s your impasse. 

After that, it’s a matter of timing. The Bills have attached a number to their pending FAs. Maybe before Rousseau and the rest were signed, there was a chance that Cook gets a bigger contract and Bernard isn’t locked up yet. But that has passed. By the same token, if Cook had a Saquon Barkley type season last year, maybe he gets paid first. 

Thanks for that. I agree on most all the points Roscoe.

Here's the other part of my question , and you might have answered me already so excuse me.

 Most here think here think Cook is a game changer for the Bills. I might well agree.

Will Gardner carry that much weight on game day ?

 

Last will be , and thank you

Are either of worth the contract in a vacuum. team and coaching not withstanding ?

21 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

Yeah he is over rated

 

I'd take Benford and his desk over Sauce and this one all day

I am going to go with this , easily.

 

Edited July 15 by 3rdand12

[RoscoeParrish]

20 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Will Gardner carry that much weight on game day

Enough to be called a “game changer?”

 

I think so. 
 

Sauce was really not great last year but that whole team was a total disaster. I think they all gave up to a degree.

 

The two prior years, the defense was elite and Sauce was a big part of that. 
 

I don’t think he’s the second coming of Revis, but similar to the old LoB Seahawks, refs seem to let him be grabby because he has a rep of being a great corner. That by itself is valuable. 
 

25 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Are either of worth the contract in a vacuum. team and coaching not withstanding ?

I think that’s really hard to say because no one is in a vacuum.

 

take Edmunds for example. The 2023 Bears had a boatload of cap space and no one to spend it on. They overspent, considerably for a player who was solid. Now was he worth “that” contract? Certainly to the Bills, no. Was he worth it to the Bears who desperately needed back 7 talent, even if they had to overspend to get there? I can see the argument.

 

That’s where I think there’s the greatest argument to overspend on Cook.

 

You can say “in a vacuum, I wouldn’t pay this player X amount or higher,” but we aren’t in a vacuum. We are the 2025 Bills. Cook is a playmaker on an offense that imo needs one more, not one less. 
 

So is he maybe worth less in a vacuum than what he wants? I lean yes. Is he worth more to us than he is in a vacuum? I also lean yes.

 

I think that’s similar to Sauce. Now, his market in a vacuum is also probably a little bit less (but not much), but on a team trying to find their defensive identity again, walking away from a 2 time All Pro at 24 years old seems counterproductive.

[Captain Hindsight]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Just wait until Brick takes over.  We're good for 70 more years.

But their madden rating will be pretty decent 

[juno999]

That’s good for Gardner but I’m not so sure for the Jets. He’s a good CB but how good is debatable. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

 

This is the advantage of the McD scheme that everyone hates so much. You don’t need the Uber Expensive lockdown cover CB’s, so you can afford the rest of the team. 

 

 

EDIT: To be fair, those overly soft cushions kill me too. 

 

White signed an extension making him the highest paid CB in the league at the time.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-all-pro-tre-davious-white-to-a-four-year-extension

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16 by Ethan in Cleveland

[Dablitzkrieg]

Holding....defense,  #1 .  5 yard penalty

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I dont understand the criticism the Jets are getting here. If the Bills had drafted the wrong Josh, would they have not given White and Oliver contract extensions? 

I thought the idea was to draft well and sign your own guys. 

Of course everyone wants to get a QB, but you dont let good to great players out of your franchise. 

I'd be fine arguing that neither of these guys are the best at their respectove positions and that the Jets overpaid. That's a fair and valid argument.  

[PonyBoy]

5 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

25 or 6 to 4?

 

Useless info here, but if some of you didn't know. 

I knew this before the Internet, but copied & pasted for accuracy. 

 

The title, "25 or 6 to 4," refers to the time of day: 25 or 26 minutes before 4 a.m. Lamm was looking at a clock, trying to find the right time to complete a lyric, and the indecision between 25 and 26 minutes led to the unique title, according to a music magazine. 🙂

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Cook is a great example of where it gets tricky.

 

the easiest contracts for GMs to give out are the ones to great players. No one batted at eye at paying Josh. Whether he’s the best or the second best, everyone knows he’s elite and worth it.

 

the hardest are the “borderline” elite guys, especially if they hold their ground. Cook is clearly very good and can likely command near elite money. If the Bills wanted to give him that, he’d be signed. 
 

But like @Augie said, you can’t pay everyone. And every extra dollar you give Cook, there’s less to go around. 

The extra challenge is that we are in an ever shortening SB window. That gives Cook some more leverage to squeeze out money, but also means you don’t get too many more mistakes before you run out of time.

 

Ultimately, I think you have to stick to your guns as a GM. The Jets think Sauce is worth top of the market money. Sauce thinks if he hits FA, he’s gonna get top of the market money. Theres no reason to waste time so the deal is done 

 

The Bills don’t think Cook is worth top of the market money. Cook thinks if he hits FA, he’s gonna get top of the market money. And there’s your impasse. 

After that, it’s a matter of timing. The Bills have attached a number to their pending FAs. Maybe before Rousseau and the rest were signed, there was a chance that Cook gets a bigger contract and Bernard isn’t locked up yet. But that has passed. By the same token, if Cook had a Saquon Barkley type season last year, maybe he gets paid first. 

 

 

Nice post, Roscoe. 

 

You say it gets harder on the borderline elite players. I'd say also that it's even harder yet on guys at positions that are not high-impact positions, which includes RB. If Cook were as effective as he is at, say DE, I think the Bills would value him highly enough that they'd be in Cook's neighborhood on value and would find a way to sign him.

 

Sauce is at a high impact position and that adds to his leverage a great deal.

Edited July 16 by Thurman#1

[Malazan]

Wilson was a good deal. This one will not look great. He had a poor year (coincidentally, I'm sure, after they actually started calling his holding) and has shown immaturity frequently. He's going to look a lot more like he did last year than the previous.

[Chicken Boo]

They don't have a QB worth top dollar, so where else can the money be spent?

 

Pay your talent.  

[Sojourner]

Grabbing the money like he does WR’s. Great for him!

[Buffalo03]

Doesn't he only have 1 career INT since he has been in the league? I remember people saying that Austin Johnson, our backup DT who had 2 last year now had more than Sauce in his whole career

Edited July 16 by Buffalo03

[Fr. Jerk]

15 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

This team is going to stupid themselves out of the market for a Qb

 

15 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

It's wonderful being in a division with the Jets and Dolphins having similar roster-building philosophies

The Pats deserve at least 12 more years of mediocrity too

 

 

[CNYfan]

8 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

 

Useless info here, but if some of you didn't know. 

I knew this before the Internet, but copied & pasted for accuracy. 

 

The title, "25 or 6 to 4," refers to the time of day: 25 or 26 minutes before 4 a.m. Lamm was looking at a clock, trying to find the right time to complete a lyric, and the indecision between 25 and 26 minutes led to the unique title, according to a music magazine. 🙂

What is wondering if he "should do some more of", I always considered "25" a possible answer to that inquiry.  

[MJS]

17 hours ago, Gregg said:

No surprise here. They locked up two key players going forward that they can build around. 

I predict they will both be demanding a trade a year or two from now.

[Gregg]

Just now, MJS said:

I predict they will both be demanding a trade a year or two from now.

 

Hopefully you are correct. I would love to see Wilson in Bills blue even though I know there is no way the Jets would trade him to a divisional rival.