Royale with Cheese Posted July 14 Author Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Pat Williams was on a playoff Bills team. He was one of the first players I thought of too and looked it up right when the thread started. No big man in the middle for the "draught" team! 1 Quote
Prospector Posted July 14 Posted July 14 I say this team, the draught players are too old now 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 14 Posted July 14 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: No big man in the middle for the "draught" team! Gotta be Dareus then. And prime Dareus (that 1 season) was pretty good before he wasnt. 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted July 14 Posted July 14 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Gotta be Dareus then. And prime Dareus (that 1 season) was pretty good before he wasnt. His first 4 years in the league was awesome, shame what happened to the guy. Quote
thenorthremembers Posted July 14 Posted July 14 What was Fitz's record against Brady? Thats how well the drought team would do against Allen. 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted July 14 Author Posted July 14 34 minutes ago, Sojourner said: His first 4 years in the league was awesome, shame what happened to the guy. 37 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Gotta be Dareus then. And prime Dareus (that 1 season) was pretty good before he wasnt. He was the only Bills draft pick that I jumped for joy after we selected. I've been pumped several times but he made me as happy as a little school girl. I thought he was the next Warren Sapp. 1 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 7/11/2025 at 11:47 AM, Mat68 said: Offense Qb. Fitz, Bledsoe, Orton Rb, Lynch, Jackson, Spiller WR Evans, Johnson, Price, Woods, Watkins TE Chandler, Royal OT Peters, Glenn, Jennings OG Incognito, Levitre, C Wood Defense Edge Williams, Schobel, Kelsay DT Adams, Dareus, LB Cowart, Fletcher, Spikes CB Clements, Winfield, Mcgee S Byrd, Whitner, Wilson I think Allen is such a difference at Qb. The current roster has a better Oline and think are close everywhere else. Nice job with this roster. Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 14 Posted July 14 I think the thing that would put the current team over the top beyond Allen... who is the trump card... would actually be McDermott. He's always wreaked havoc on bad QBs, and no one during the bills draught team is particularly good. Like is it Fitz or Bledsoe? Turnover central. Tyrod? Even at his best he was still manipulated well by good defenses and pressure schemes. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 14 Posted July 14 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: He was the only Bills draft pick that I jumped for joy after we selected. I've been pumped several times but he made me as happy as a little school girl. I thought he was the next Warren Sapp. He went out like a clown so folks forget, but our run defense was sooooo bad in 2010 and he IMMEDIATELY fixed it in 2011. Quote
Fr. Jerk Posted July 14 Posted July 14 Silly argument. Both get run off the field by a team of little Mike Ditka's, ya dig? Quote
hondo in seattle Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 7/11/2025 at 8:47 AM, Mat68 said: Offense Qb. Fitz, Bledsoe, Orton Rb, Lynch, Jackson, Spiller WR Evans, Johnson, Price, Woods, Watkins TE Chandler, Royal OT Peters, Glenn, Jennings OG Incognito, Levitre, C Wood Defense Edge Williams, Schobel, Kelsay DT Adams, Dareus, LB Cowart, Fletcher, Spikes CB Clements, Winfield, Mcgee S Byrd, Whitner, Wilson I think Allen is such a difference at Qb. The current roster has a better Oline and think are close everywhere else. What's kind of stunning about this is that if we take our very best players from a 17-year stretch of time, we still don't end up with a Super Bowl roster. 1 Quote
FLFan Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 7/11/2025 at 11:47 AM, Mat68 said: Offense Qb. Fitz, Bledsoe, Orton Rb, Lynch, Jackson, Spiller WR Evans, Johnson, Price, Woods, Watkins TE Chandler, Royal OT Peters, Glenn, Jennings OG Incognito, Levitre, C Wood Defense Edge Williams, Schobel, Kelsay DT Adams, Dareus, LB Cowart, Fletcher, Spikes CB Clements, Winfield, Mcgee S Byrd, Whitner, Wilson I think Allen is such a difference at Qb. The current roster has a better Oline and think are close everywhere else. That’s a pretty good team talent wise, except for QB. I think McDermott coaches that team to the second round. Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted July 14 Posted July 14 (edited) 20 hours ago, Capco said: The Special Teams unit was extremely productive in 2004 as well. Iirc we had an unusually high number of special teams turnovers and TDs. Parrish/ McGee/ Moorman/ Lindell (?) Edited July 14 by ChronicAndKnuckles Quote
FLFan Posted July 14 Posted July 14 3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: What's kind of stunning about this is that if we take our very best players from a 17-year stretch of time, we still don't end up with a Super Bowl roster. It’s all about the QB. 1 Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 14 Posted July 14 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Pat Williams was on a playoff Bills team. He was one of the first players I thought of too and looked it up right when the thread started. I just looked his numbers up. He played 8 years with the Bills. 1997-2004. Only played 1 game his rookie season. But from 98-04 he was really good. He just got better as his career went along. It was too bad that we let him go as a free agent. He was good for several years with the Vikings also. Played 14 years total in the NFL from 1997-2010. That is a hell of a career.. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted July 14 Author Posted July 14 37 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: I just looked his numbers up. He played 8 years with the Bills. 1997-2004. Only played 1 game his rookie season. But from 98-04 he was really good. He just got better as his career went along. It was too bad that we let him go as a free agent. He was good for several years with the Vikings also. Played 14 years total in the NFL from 1997-2010. That is a hell of a career.. I think, if I remember correctly, Donohoe said it was either Schobel or Williams....they weren't going to re-sign both. Obviously went with Schobel. I don't remember what our salary cap space was but I don't remember it being that tight where we couldn't sign both. Not sure why it had to be either or. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 14 Posted July 14 51 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: I just looked his numbers up. He played 8 years with the Bills. 1997-2004. Only played 1 game his rookie season. But from 98-04 he was really good. He just got better as his career went along. It was too bad that we let him go as a free agent. He was good for several years with the Vikings also. Played 14 years total in the NFL from 1997-2010. That is a hell of a career.. 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think, if I remember correctly, Donohoe said it was either Schobel or Williams....they weren't going to re-sign both. Obviously went with Schobel. I don't remember what our salary cap space was but I don't remember it being that tight where we couldn't sign both. Not sure why it had to be either or. It didnt need to be either, Donahoe was just a jackass. The Vikings signed him for less than a $1M difference of our offer (I think it was like a $250k difference). Tom just wouldnt budge. Huge mistake. Quote
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted July 14 Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I think the thing that would put the current team over the top beyond Allen... who is the trump card... would actually be McDermott. He's always wreaked havoc on bad QBs, and no one during the bills draught team is particularly good. Like is it Fitz or Bledsoe? Turnover central. Tyrod? Even at his best he was still manipulated well by good defenses and pressure schemes. Tyrod would be ineligible since he was the one that ended the draught. I think people on here are kinda sleeping on Drew Bledsoe. Guy had his weaknesses for sure, but if you put him on the all-draught team with a strong O-line throwing to those weapons he'd be great. Quote
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