Brandon Beane "might be the most sensitive GM in the entire NFL"?

[Mr. WEO]

18 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I know you hate 1st round CBs Bill, but I believe that Tre' was a key player in turning the franchise around.  We can agree to disagree.

 

As for Mahomes, as has been said, it wasn't Beane running that draft and the draft value was spot-on.  And Mahomes wasn't considered a sure thing otherwise he'd have been taken by any of the 9 teams drafting before he was taken, who all arguably had a need at QB.  And if the Bills hadn't drafted Josh the following year, I'd agree it was a huge mistake.

 

CBs don't turn around a franchise.  TJ Watt would have been far more value....

 

4-5 of those 9 teams are the worst run franchises in the NFL, so what's your point?  They made another bad decision?

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

CBs don't turn around a franchise.  TJ Watt would have been far more value....

 

4-5 of those 9 teams are the worst run franchises in the NFL, so what's your point?  They made another bad decision?

 

What part of "a key player" don't you understand?  
 

There were still "4-5" who weren't the worst run franchises who passed on him.  And again, it was McD running the draft. 

Edited yesterday at 03:24 PM by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

30 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What part of "a key player" don't you understand?  
 

There were still "4-5" who weren't the worst run franchises who passed on him.  And again, it was McD running the draft. 

 

who would have been more of a key player?

 

McD passing on Mahomes AND Watt is fireable.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

who would have been more of a key player?

 

McD passing on Mahomes AND Watt is fireable.

 

Good question?  Take a look at the Bills' 2017 roster and get back to me.

 

LOL!  Watt was passed-over by 27 teams.  And again the Bills got Allen the following year so not even worth mentioning.

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

who would have been more of a key player?

 

McD passing on Mahomes AND Watt is fireable.

I wouldn’t bet my career with Whaley.   Yes, Mahomes is great.  Using the capital gained from that trade was used to get Allen.  That is a wash.  Mahomes wasnt setting records with Charles Clay, Andre Holmes, Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones and Robert Foster.   Its a butterfly affect that will never play out, but Mahomes doesnt come to Buffalo with Reid, Kelce and Hill.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Good question?  Take a look at the Bills' 2017 roster and get back to me.

 

LOL!  Watt was passed-over by 27 teams.  And again the Bills got Allen the following year so not even worth mentioning.

 

you're fixed on how many teams passed on this or that player as though every team has exactly the same needs.  

 

You are the only person alive who would agree that Tre White would have had a bigger impact than TJ Watt.  This is just laughable.  Watt is a wrecker, disrupter.  White was a good DB for 4 years---ending 4  years ago.  The cut him loose after his achilles (his second career threatening injury)....only to bizarrely sign him years later after 2 mediocre/dud years on 2 teams, having played only 21 games since 2021.  I'll leave it to you to revisit Watt's stats. 

44 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I wouldn’t bet my career with Whaley.   Yes, Mahomes is great.  Using the capital gained from that trade was used to get Allen.  That is a wash.  Mahomes wasnt setting records with Charles Clay, Andre Holmes, Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones and Robert Foster.   Its a butterfly affect that will never play out, but Mahomes doesnt come to Buffalo with Reid, Kelce and Hill.

 

Huh?

 

Whaley was fired a day after the 2017 draft.  Not sure what you are getting at.  

 

I agree that Mahomes probably doesn't win a single SB with McD as HC in Buffalo.  

[Buffalo Junction]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

you're fixed on how many teams passed on this or that player as though every team has exactly the same needs.  

 

You are the only person alive who would agree that Tre White would have had a bigger impact than TJ Watt.  This is just laughable.  Watt is a wrecker, disrupter.  White was a good DB for 4 years---ending 4  years ago.  The cut him loose after his achilles (his second career threatening injury)....only to bizarrely sign him years later after 2 mediocre/dud years on 2 teams, having played only 21 games since 2021.  I'll leave it to you to revisit Watt's stats. 

 

Huh?

 

Whaley was fired a day after the 2017 draft.  Not sure what you are getting at.  

 

I agree that Mahomes probably doesn't win a single SB with McD as HC in Buffalo.  

I doubt they saw TJ Watt as a good fit for their scheme when he was coming out. It’s a big reason why teams pass on certain guysIn hindsight that was a bad choice, but hindsight is what allows us to know that Watt would have a HOF level career while White would have his career derailed from injuries.
 

As a Bills fan I’m not mad at the choice they made. They drafted an all pro corner who got injured instead of a pass rusher who may not have fit the scheme…

 

Now if I was a Packers fan… I’d be livid, especially since Watt went to UW, similar scheme to Pittsburgh and they traded the pick right before to Cleveland and drafted Kevin King. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

you're fixed on how many teams passed on this or that player as though every team has exactly the same needs.  

 

You are the only person alive who would agree that Tre White would have had a bigger impact than TJ Watt.  This is just laughable.  Watt is a wrecker, disrupter.  White was a good DB for 4 years---ending 4  years ago.  The cut him loose after his achilles (his second career threatening injury)....only to bizarrely sign him years later after 2 mediocre/dud years on 2 teams, having played only 21 games since 2021.  I'll leave it to you to revisit Watt's stats. 

 

LOL!  Every team has premier pass rusher as a need.  If they teams knew how good he would be, he'd have been drafted top-5.  He lasted until 30 because he had 1 year of any production whatsoever, his last one, out of 4 in college.

 

And who knows what he would have done for Buffalo?  All I know is what happened.  A team everyone thought was tanking and had most of its talented players shipped-off made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

But don't worry, as has been said numerous times, McD was running the draft that year.  He essentially fired himself when he recommended Beane.

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

you're fixed on how many teams passed on this or that player as though every team has exactly the same needs.  

 

You are the only person alive who would agree that Tre White would have had a bigger impact than TJ Watt.  This is just laughable.  Watt is a wrecker, disrupter.  White was a good DB for 4 years---ending 4  years ago.  The cut him loose after his achilles (his second career threatening injury)....only to bizarrely sign him years later after 2 mediocre/dud years on 2 teams, having played only 21 games since 2021.  I'll leave it to you to revisit Watt's stats. 

 

Huh?

 

Whaley was fired a day after the 2017 draft.  Not sure what you are getting at.  

 

I agree that Mahomes probably doesn't win a single SB with McD as HC in Buffalo.  

Whaley was the guy pounding the table for Mahomes “allegedly”.  What human in the position Mcdermott was in goes qb with a the scouting department getting changed?  

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

you're fixed on how many teams passed on this or that player as though every team has exactly the same needs.  

 

You are the only person alive who would agree that Tre White would have had a bigger impact than TJ Watt.  This is just laughable.  Watt is a wrecker, disrupter.  White was a good DB for 4 years---ending 4  years ago.  The cut him loose after his achilles (his second career threatening injury)....only to bizarrely sign him years later after 2 mediocre/dud years on 2 teams, having played only 21 games since 2021.  I'll leave it to you to revisit Watt's stats. 

 

 

Tre was better than good. He was elite for 3 years in Buffalo. And he has only been away a year. 2 teams but one year. 

 

That said no question in a redraft TJ Watt goes higher. Elite pass rusher > elite corner. 

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tre was better than good. He was elite for 3 years in Buffalo. And he has only been away a year. 2 teams but one year. 

 

That said no question in a redraft TJ Watt goes higher. Elite pass rusher > elite corner. 

 

Attack, or be attacked. I go for the edge rusher all day long. It’s easier to avoid a CB than a DE on every single play. 

[Buffalo716]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

who would have been more of a key player?

 

McD passing on Mahomes AND Watt is fireable.

Every NFL team passed on Tom Brady at least five times through like 190 pics lol

 

All those GMS must be fired lol

2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Whaley was the guy pounding the table for Mahomes “allegedly”.  What human in the position Mcdermott was in goes qb with a the scouting department getting changed?  

 there was a purge of dog Whaley and the entire scouting staff, but then a lot of the scouts were brought back over the next four six weeks 

 

For 60 plus years in the bills history our problem typically has not been The scouting department it's been elsewhere 

 

The scouts aren't the guys making the pics

Edited 16 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Ga boy]

On 6/25/2025 at 11:10 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I think Beane is open to fair criticism but it's not because of "culture".   

The criticism that Beane had under-resourced the WR position in the draft up through 2024 is fair IMO.   I also think it's a fair point that our offense is our strength, so invest in it rather than continually searching for a top defense we haven't managed to achieve.  A couple more plays on offense get us there.  Potentially a couple better players make those plays.

The fact is, a number of Beane's attempts to put the Bills over the top have not provided decent return on investment.  Von Miller is the biggest example, but I don't think they got what they expected with Emmanuel Sanders or Amari Cooper either.

 

But I don't think the issue is the Bills "culture" or "signing for culture".  It's more taking a big risk to sign an undeniably great, but 33 yr old DE to a big contract and pinning your Superbowl hopes that he will work out.

True word.  If we’d had Higgins or Chase types, we’d have a Lombardi by now.

[Einstein]

On 7/2/2025 at 8:40 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

CBs don't turn around a franchise.  

 

I would even argue they barely contribute to W/L. Meaning, replacing a #1 CB with the #3 CB on the team (due to injury) is rarely going to be the reason a team loses a game.

 

Its why I dislike taking CB’s in the first round.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every NFL team passed on Tom Brady at least five times through like 190 pics lol

 

All those GMS must be fired lol

 there was a purge of dog Whaley and the entire scouting staff, but then a lot of the scouts were brought back over the next four six weeks 

 

For 60 plus years in the bills history our problem typically has not been The scouting department it's been elsewhere 

 

The scouts aren't the guys making the pics

no one would equate Brady coming out of college with Mahomes.  You just did I think.. 

17 hours ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  Every team has premier pass rusher as a need.  If they teams knew how good he would be, he'd have been drafted top-5.  He lasted until 30 because he had 1 year of any production whatsoever, his last one, out of 4 in college.

 

And who knows what he would have done for Buffalo?  All I know is what happened.  A team everyone thought was tanking and had most of its talented players shipped-off made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

But don't worry, as has been said numerous times, McD was running the draft that year.  He essentially fired himself when he recommended Beane.

who knows what he would have done in Buffalo???  lol wtf

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 6/25/2025 at 9:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

Interesting comments by Sam Monson of the 33rd team.    Says Beane got "butt hurt" and was "big mad" at PFF.  😂 

 

 

 

Beane also enjoys long walks on the beach and romantic candlelight dinners. Nothing wrong with a little sensitivity from a man. When he asks Josh Allen how he’s doing he actually means it. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

who knows what he would have done in Buffalo???  lol wtf

 

Meaning would he have made a difference in getting to, much less winning, a SB.  

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Meaning would he have made a difference in getting to, much less winning, a SB.  

I would say an elite pass rusher is the one thing McD and co have been missing in these last 9 seasons. 

 

We have the elite QB

We had the elite WR (for a while anyway)

We have the very good/borderline elite LT

And we had the elite CB1, maybe twice if Benford keeps this up.

 

The one thing we have never had is the elite edge guy.

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I would say an elite pass rusher is the one thing McD and co have been missing in these last 9 seasons. 

 

We have the elite QB

We had the elite WR (for a while anyway)

We have the very good/borderline elite LT

And we had the elite CB1, maybe twice if Benford keeps this up.

 

The one thing we have never had is the elite edge guy.

I agree. But would that ensure a Super Bowl win?

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Meaning, replacing a #1 CB with the #3 CB on the team (due to injury) is rarely going to be the reason a team loses a game.

 

Having Tre White in the 13 seconds game very well could have been the difference in that game, Levi Wallace messed up his coverage on the fateful drive that got them into FG range. And having Benford on the field this past AFCCG may have made a difference on one of those drives where Elam was completely hapless in his coverage responsibility.

 

CB is not as critical as pass rusher, but it is still absolutely a difference making position. Especially in playoff games where the margins are thin.