Brandon Beane "might be the most sensitive GM in the entire NFL"?

[dave mcbride]

On 6/27/2025 at 10:29 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah @GunnerBill answered that.   The Panthers realized after the draft that the Bills had their draft board and that McDermott was using it like his own.  Which meant he had a good idea when he needed to move up ahead of them to get those players for he and Beane's operation.

 

Also, Zay Jones played essentially in the backyard of the Panthers (East Carolina U is 100 miles from Charlotte). As I understand it, they had their eye on him. 

[Bill from NYC]

On 6/26/2025 at 10:11 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Beane himself went from fetching coffee to basically handling anything tech related in Carolina to becoming the GM in Buffalo.   He kinda' bypassed the whole road scout thing and might have been the only one in the office who was even using PFF data.  

If this is the case (which I certainly do not doubt), why would anyone be willing to believe that he has the final, or even an equal say to McDermott wrt the draft? I really wish I could understand this.

On 6/27/2025 at 10:29 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah @GunnerBill answered that.   The Panthers realized after the draft that the Bills had their draft board and that McDermott was using it like his own.  Which meant he had a good idea when he needed to move up ahead of them to get those players for he and Beane's operation.

 

So who takes the blame for trading away Mahomes for peanuts and drafting a corner?

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

If this is the case (which I certainly do not doubt), why would anyone be willing to believe that he has the final, or even an equal say to McDermott wrt the draft? I really wish I could understand this.

 

So who takes the blame for trading away Mahomes for peanuts and drafting a corner?

 

On the former - because that is how it works. Beane isn't a scout but he is the General Manager. He takes the views of his personnel staff, he takes the views of the coaches and he factors all that in to how they build the board and then the selections he makes. Howie Roseman didn't come up the scouting route either. Not all General Managers do. Indeed some of the best modern day GMs don't there is a lot more to it than that. 

 

On trading away the pick used for Mahomes - Sean McDermott takes the blame for that. He ran the 2017 draft. He didn't draft him away for peanuts though. It was pretty much BANG on the Jimmy Johnson chart value and the Bills actually won the trade (to the value of a 4th round pick) by the Rich Hill chart. You can think they could have got more if you want. Maybe they could. But they didn't give it away for peanuts. 

[Bill from NYC]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On the former - because that is how it works. Beane isn't a scout but he is the General Manager. He takes the views of his personnel staff, he takes the views of the coaches and he factors all that in to how they build the board and then the selections he makes. Howie Roseman didn't come up the scouting route either. Not all General Managers do. Indeed some of the best modern day GMs don't there is a lot more to it than that. 

 

On trading away the pick used for Mahomes - Sean McDermott takes the blame for that. He ran the 2017 draft. He didn't draft him away for peanuts though. It was pretty much BANG on the Jimmy Johnson chart value and the Bills actually won the trade (to the value of a 4th round pick) by the Rich Hill chart. You can think they could have got more if you want. Maybe they could. But they didn't give it away for peanuts. 

Yeah, so I guess that in 2022 when the Bills gave up a 4th round pick to move up two spots for Kaiir Elam, this trade too was orchestrated by Beane. After all, the fact that McDermott was a defensive back in college and a former assistant secondary coach played no part in this glorious trade, or the one which handed the Chiefs Mahomes and numerous Super Bowl wins. He was olly too willing to let Beane, a communications major in college, put his player expertise to work. 

 

Gotcha.

 

I will however concede the fact that Beane being a communications major does help him at his job. He is able to clearly ask McDermott, "who should we draft," and clearly respond, "yes sir."

Edited Tuesday at 12:23 PM by Bill from NYC

[FireChans]

23 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yeah, so I guess that in 2022 when the Bills gave up a 4th round pick to move up two spots for Kaiir Elam, this trade too was orchestrated by Beane. After all, the fact that McDermott was a defensive back in college and a former assistant secondary coach played no part in this glorious trade, or the one which handed the Chiefs Mahomes and numerous Super Bowl wins. He was olly too willing to let Beane, a communications major in college, put his player expertise to work. 

 

Gotcha.

 

I will however concede the fact that Beane being a communications major does help him at his job. He is able to clearly ask McDermott, "who should we draft," and clearly respond, "yes sir."

I mean even if McD is running the draft/offseason and Beane is a glorified yes man, then his value to the org is effectively zero.

 

Very confusing why you seem to harp on this as a defense of Beane.

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yeah, so I guess that in 2022 when the Bills gave up a 4th round pick to move up two spots for Kaiir Elam, this trade too was orchestrated by Beane. After all, the fact that McDermott was a defensive back in college and a former assistant secondary coach played no part in this glorious trade, or the one which handed the Chiefs Mahomes and numerous Super Bowl wins. He was olly too willing to let Beane, a communications major in college, put his player expertise to work. 

 

Gotcha.

 

I will however concede the fact that Beane being a communications major does help him at his job. He is able to clearly ask McDermott, "who should we draft," and clearly respond, "yes sir."

 

Yes, the trade up for Elam was orchestrated by Beane. But nobody is saying McDermott played no part. The relationship is just not as you portray it. And for some reason despite being told this multiple times you continue to insist on it. 

 

And did you not read what I said about the Mahomes trade? That trade was orchestrated by McDermott. He ran the Bills 2017 draft - he was de-facto GM at that point. He relinquished that when his guy was brought in to fulfil that role. 

[Mr. WEO]

 

[T master]

Well maybe he was just pissed because the Bills always put a quality team on the field like last season and no matter what the Bills do they are always pushed aside as a second thought team and even if they win a Lombardi I feel that will always be the same .

 

So I can't say as I blame him you come to work and did all of this work bringing in good players through FA & the draft, the wife wouldn't give you any the night before so you had a couple of toddies got a bit of a hang over in th morning come into work and read. PFF & it's like .

 

WTF Do these guys know !! I'm calling their A**es ... Go Beane ..

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes, the trade up for Elam was orchestrated by Beane. But nobody is saying McDermott played no part. The relationship is just not as you portray it. And for some reason despite being told this multiple times you continue to insist on it. 

 

Let me be clear. I respect your football knowledge quite a bit and admire your posts. You also seem like a nice person. That said, just because you say something "multiple times" does not necessarily make what you say factual. If that was the case, everybody could say something again and again and be 100% correct just by virtue of doing so. 

 

We will never agree on this topic, nor is there any real way of finding out the truth. It's all cool.

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I mean even if McD is running the draft/offseason and Beane is a glorified yes man, then his value to the org is effectively zero.

 

Very confusing why you seem to harp on this as a defense of Beane.

I am not defending Beane at all! I am putting the blame on McDermott for continuing the Bills tradition of too much focus on defensive backs, despite other bigger needs. This started with the trade of the Mahomes pick to the Chiefs and extends all the way to this season, when instead of providing Josh more weapons, he drafted another first round corner.

[Doc Brown]

Beane is obviously sensitive.  He swung down at local radio hosts and then made it the foundation of the Bills Embedded video.

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes, the trade up for Elam was orchestrated by Beane. But nobody is saying McDermott played no part. The relationship is just not as you portray it. And for some reason despite being told this multiple times you continue to insist on it. 

 

And did you not read what I said about the Mahomes trade? That trade was orchestrated by McDermott. He ran the Bills 2017 draft - he was de-facto GM at that point. He relinquished that when his guy was brought in to fulfil that role. 

Ironically, he was pretty good at drafting every position but WR.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Let me be clear. I respect your football knowledge quite a bit and admire your posts. You also seem like a nice person. That said, just because you say something "multiple times" does not necessarily make what you say factual. If that was the case, everybody could say something again and again and be 100% correct just by virtue of doing so. 

 

We will never agree on this topic, nor is there any real way of finding out the truth. It's all cool.

I am not defending Beane at all! I am putting the blame on McDermott for continuing the Bills tradition of too much focus on defensive backs, despite other bigger needs. This started with the trade of the Mahomes pick to the Chiefs and extends all the way to this season, when instead of providing Josh more weapons, he drafted another first round corner.

 

There is a way of finding the truth. Speak to people who have been in the building. Which I have done. 

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Some days I look at the job Beane has done as GM and think: the Bills have been one of the top three to five teams in football for five years straight now, he MUST be doing a good job. You don't have as much consistent success as the Bills have had in this league under Beane's tenure without some good roster building.

Other days I look at the job Beane has done as GM and think: Not enough difference makers drafted. Too many singles and doubles, not enough home runs. Bills never seem to be the most talented roster in the playoffs.

Some days I think Beane deserves a large share of blame for the Bills' playoff failures. Other days I think the coaching is more to blame. There's nuance and there are layers. At the end of the day, I'm not sure Beane is a good enough GM to get the Bills over the hump, but I also don't have much faith in a BETTER GM walking through the door at One Bills Drive if Beane were fired tomorrow.

As to whether or not Monson's assertion is accurate and Beane is sensitive: I really don't care. PFF's analytics department is great. Their editorial department stinks. The credibility of the former lends undue credence to the credibility of the latter. Guys like Monson speak with the authority and arrogance of someone who is really in the know, but most of them are nothing more than math majors -- at best. So right off the bat, I'm tempted to doubt anything that the Sam Monsons of the world think.

 

Sam Monson is no longer at PFF. He is at 33rd team now.

[Mango]

The Buffalo News just reported that the Sabres fired their TV Producer of 37 years because the program becomes "too critical".

 

I am not sure this is a Beane specific issue and more an organizational issue. There's some coddling by design and I think he may have just become a bit more thin skinned as time has gone on.

 

But PFF also mentioned an issue going back to CAR so who knows...

 

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The Buffalo Sabres are making a key television lineup change next season.

 

Joe Pinter, who has been producing Sabres’ games since 2002 and has been working for the team for 37 years through when games were carried on WUTV (Channel 29) and WNYO-TV (Channel 49), was told recently that his services are no longer needed.

 

Pinter declined comment.

 

His replacement hasn't been named but the job has been posted.

 

According to sources, some members of Sabres management believe the television coverage has been too critical.

 

It is a laughable claim since the team has been on a 14-year Stanley Cup playoff drought ... ."

 

 

 

[Jauronimo]

41 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Let me be clear. I respect your football knowledge quite a bit and admire your posts. You also seem like a nice person. That said, just because you say something "multiple times" does not necessarily make what you say factual. If that was the case, everybody could say something again and again and be 100% correct just by virtue of doing so. 

 

We will never agree on this topic, nor is there any real way of finding out the truth. It's all cool.

I am not defending Beane at all! I am putting the blame on McDermott for continuing the Bills tradition of too much focus on defensive backs, despite other bigger needs. This started with the trade of the Mahomes pick to the Chiefs and extends all the way to this season, when instead of providing Josh more weapons, he drafted another first round corner.

 

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, Mango said:

The Buffalo News just reported that the Sabres fired their TV Producer of 37 years because the program becomes "too critical".

 

I am not sure this is a Beane specific issue and more an organizational issue. There's some coddling by design and I think he may have just become a bit more thin skinned as time has gone on.

 

But PFF also mentioned an issue going back to CAR so who knows...

 

 

 

 

Simply televising this chronic burn pit of a franchise is "too critical" I guess.

[Mango]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Simply televising this chronic burn pit of a franchise is "too critical" I guess.

 

I still watch the Sabres, and honestly Sabres Live and the game production is about as positive as it can be without Duffer, Marty, and Razor throwing up in their own mouths.

 

Awesome 7 days or so for Pegula where both orgs have reports of being so sensitive they are beyond reproach.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

I still watch the Sabres, and honestly Sabres Live and the game production is about as positive as it can be without Duffer, Marty, and Razor throwing up in their own mouths.

 

Awesome 7 days or so for Pegula where both orgs have reports of being so sensitive they are beyond reproach.

 

It's hard to hear the cries of the fans over these damn things...

 

[HOUSE]

This happens when you are doing an excellent job than people nit pick every move without knowing the plan.

You people working at Walmart should understand  ..

" Why do we stock the shelves in the middle of the night, seems stupid"

 

.

Edited Tuesday at 03:15 PM by HOUSE

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

This happens when you are doing an excellent job than people nit pick every move without knowing the plan.

You people working at Walmart should understand  

 

 

you people and your little jobs...

[Mat68]

Sensitive?  Idk about that.  Passionate for sure.  Comparing Beane to Veach he hasnt won enough.  Comparing Beane to the previous 20 plus years before his arrival its night and day.  Building a consistent playoff team and contender is not the norm.  Cincy made a run and have been going in reverse since.  49ers and Rams have been really good and really bad.  Chiefs, Ravens, and Eagles are the closest to Buffalo in consistency over the past 6 years.  They also have been well run franchises for over a decade.  Beane and Mcdermott don't get the national credit they deserve.  Turning a NFL wasteland franchise to a top 5 Superbowl contender annually.  Mcdermott is always on the positive side of analytics. As a defensive coach he gave the ball and franchise to a young Allen and let him go.  Was using cover 4 and 2 deep safety for as long as Fangio but he doesnt get any of the credit for it. Not winning the ultimate prize diminishes their historical impact nationally.   Beane carries that with him.  When doing interviews that can come out.  

Edited Tuesday at 05:39 PM by Mat68

[Doc]

7 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

If this is the case (which I certainly do not doubt), why would anyone be willing to believe that he has the final, or even an equal say to McDermott wrt the draft? I really wish I could understand this.

So who takes the blame for trading away Mahomes for peanuts and drafting a corner?

 

I know you hate 1st round CBs Bill, but I believe that Tre' was a key player in turning the franchise around.  We can agree to disagree.

 

As for Mahomes, as has been said, it wasn't Beane running that draft and the draft value was spot-on.  And Mahomes wasn't considered a sure thing otherwise he'd have been taken by any of the 9 teams drafting before he was taken, who all arguably had a need at QB.  And if the Bills hadn't drafted Josh the following year, I'd agree it was a huge mistake.