Goin Breakdown Posted September 24 Posted September 24 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Looks like a hell of a draft with 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks not doing anything this year, yikes. Ouch 1 1 Quote
947 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 I seriously doubt this is an issue of Max not knowing the Defense well enough yet. For 6 weeks, he's had nothing to do but rehab the knee and study the Defense- not to mention all the time he had before the injury. We all know McD is a stickler (to a fault) about defensive players knowing the playbook & responsibilities, so it could be just his usual concern & not an actual issue. 1 Quote
skibum Posted September 24 Posted September 24 42 minutes ago, syhuang said: Yeah, he's still a ways out. Every drill is moving in a straight line, no cutting or shifting of body mass side to side allowed. I wonder when he's allowed to start that kind of stuff. I don't see him playing in any games anytime soon! 2 Quote
Lionel Hutz Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Hopefully he isn't another Elam. This team needs all the help it can on defense and we can't afford to have another 1st round pick wasted on a bust. 1 3 2 1 Quote
Mango Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, bills742 said: Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I wonder if this is an injury that requires surgery. And if it does, instead of pushing the kid to return with a bandaid, at what point do you put his long term success as a priority and get the surgery done now? Otherwise you maybe bandaid through the season, surgery over the offseason, and he limps through another year. Even if he doesn't have surgery, it seems like being a step behind in recovery YoY is a possibility. 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted September 24 Posted September 24 10 minutes ago, Mango said: Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I wonder if this is an injury that requires surgery. And if it does, instead of pushing the kid to return with a bandaid, at what point do you put his long term success as a priority and get the surgery done now? Otherwise you maybe bandaid through the season, surgery over the offseason, and he limps through another year. Even if he doesn't have surgery, it seems like being a step behind in recovery YoY is a possibility. Thats wild speculation on your part...what would indicate he needs surgery right now? Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Was going to be hard enough to get the rookie in there. But forget about it now. He’s not playing this year. 1 1 1 Quote
BillMafia716ix Posted September 24 Posted September 24 I’m not expecting anything out of Hariston this year. He’s missed too much time. This a redshirt year for him. 3 1 Quote
NewEra Posted September 24 Posted September 24 I would be surprised if he got any meaningful snaps prior to November and that might even be pushing it 2 Quote
Allen2Moulds Posted September 24 Posted September 24 I still have high hopes for the kid, and by that, I mean, make some type of impact for the playoffs. We've shifted to a more aggressive style defense, with more 5 man rushes, and man to man coverage. If mad max becomes who we thi know he's capable of being, he could become the perfect compliment to Benford. Benford is your physical technician, and Mad Max can be used against the leaner/speeder types. Quote
thenorthremembers Posted September 24 Posted September 24 You draft players for multiple years, not just one. A lot of complaints coming from fans about this, but the Bills have done a great job of not willingly putting their players in bad positions. Whats best for the player is whats best for the team. Heard a lot of media guys talking about the reinforcements coming but to expect players to come in and make a giant difference having not played football for months is a little odd. 3 Quote
Mango Posted September 24 Posted September 24 20 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Thats wild speculation on your part...what would indicate he needs surgery right now? It is an internet message board. Isn't this the place to speculate? Maybe he doesn't need surgery. But it isn't uncommon for guys to "limp" through the season only to get offseason surgery. With or without surgery, my point regarding Hairston remains the same. Heading into week 4 he doesn't seem to even be able to move laterally yet. This has been going on since June 11. That is a lot of time to still be so far away. At some point trying to get him on the field this year you start borrow time and preparation from next year. That is with or without Surgery. 1 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 minute ago, Mango said: It is an internet message board. Isn't this the place to speculate? Maybe he doesn't need surgery. But it isn't uncommon for guys to "limp" through the season only to get offseason surgery. With or without surgery, my point regarding Hairston remains the same. Heading into week 4 he doesn't seem to even be able to move laterally yet. This has been going on since June 11. That is a lot of time to still be so far away. At some point trying to get him on the field this year you start borrow time and preparation from next year. That is with or without Surgery. Hes coming into week 6 of being injured -- hes doing what it is expected for recovery right now is the point. Oh I see...internet message board excuse. Stick with your take, some are more educated takes than others and dont expect a player to be doing alot of lateral drills at this point of recovery. We aren't borrowing anything from next year. Thats just ridiculous. Max had a serious injury to his knee, one that didnt require surgery though. McD comments today were crystal clear--- hes not close to a return and needs to prove hes mentally/physically capable of a roster spot. IMO, no doubt he will be back in a few weeks. But im thinking it will align post-bye week. 2 Quote
vtnatefootball11 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 38 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Thats wild speculation on your part...what would indicate he needs surgery right now? McDermott literally just said there is a chance he doesn't come back this year. At this point, surgery can't be ruled out. That isn't wild speculation that is actually an intelligent question given we know that McDermott often under sells how significant injuries are. 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted September 24 Posted September 24 8 minutes ago, Mango said: It is an internet message board. Isn't this the place to speculate? Maybe he doesn't need surgery. But it isn't uncommon for guys to "limp" through the season only to get offseason surgery. With or without surgery, my point regarding Hairston remains the same. Heading into week 4 he doesn't seem to even be able to move laterally yet. This has been going on since June 11. That is a lot of time to still be so far away. At some point trying to get him on the field this year you start borrow time and preparation from next year. That is with or without Surgery. It also wasnt June 11th -- where is that info coming from? 1 minute ago, vtnatefootball11 said: McDermott literally just said there is a chance he doesn't come back this year. At this point, surgery can't be ruled out. That isn't wild speculation that is actually an intelligent question given we know that McDermott often under sells how significant injuries are. Max doesnt need surgery is the thing. If he did, he would have had it already - he didnt though 1 Quote
Mango Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said: It also wasnt June 11th -- where is that info coming from? Max doesnt need surgery is the thing. If he did, he would have had it already - he didnt though https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/news/buffalo-bills-first-round-pick-suffers-injury-during-mandatory-minicamp 1 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 minute ago, Mango said: https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/news/buffalo-bills-first-round-pick-suffers-injury-during-mandatory-minicamp That was a hammy "tweak" - per coaches. And he returned full go for start of training camp --- why is that relevant? Seems like you're somehow confused 1 Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) 47 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: I’m not expecting anything out of Hariston this year. He’s missed too much time. This a redshirt year for him. I think he could be a key piece for a stretch run if he's able to come back which we will have to see. This team could use another corner and esp one with speed. If this team keeps piling up wins early and gets a massive division lead that could leave room for some margin of error to get Mad Max some play time esp towards the middle and end portion of the season and get him up to speed and fully shake the rust off. Edited September 24 by billsfan89 Quote
jahnyc Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Maybe the Bills are waiting to see if there are long term injuries at CB during the course of the season (i.e., opening the return from IR window for Max only after another long term injury occurs at the CB position). This would make sense if they are concerned about the need to release players on the current active roster as players come back from IR and suspension. Quote
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