PFF's top 32 TE's (Dalton Kincaid at 10!!!!!)

[HardyBoy]

5 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Dude, that's like listening to incomprehensible jazz, and having some guy in a black beret and goatee tell you "you have to listen to the notes they're not playing"

 

This isn't 12th dimensional chess.  He's not top 10, full stop.  

 

Huh? That post is kinda incomprehensible tbh

[YoloinOhio]

Bruh I’m watching the lions game and Kincaid just caught a TD that was called back bc of a phantom holding call

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

What do you suggest rather than just looking at the box score in US Today?

Just not a pff fan

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, dorquemada said:

Lmao.  In what universe does anybody put Kincaid in the top 10?  I hope he can get there someday but there's exactly nothing in his existing body of work for him to be in the top 1/3

 

 

In this one.

 

Depends how much you weight each of his two years, but it's completely reasonable.  His first year he was top ten in receptions and yards. As a rookie, that's terrific. 

 

No doubt not as good in the second year and that appears to be somewhat from injury and somewhat from something being off between Allen and Kincaid and the play-caller.

 

 

8 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Dude, that's like listening to incomprehensible jazz, and having some guy in a black beret and goatee tell you "you have to listen to the notes they're not playing"

 

This isn't 12th dimensional chess.  He's not top 10, full stop.  

 

 

Dude, what you've got there is an opinion, not a fact, full stop.

 

And a horrible analogy as well. Watching tape and evaluating it isn't listening to the notes they're not playing. Is he getting open, is he blocking downfield? Is the defense's coverage of his routes helping get other guys open. Is he blocking on the LOS and wherever they ask him to?

 

If it were that impossible to evaluate tape, nobody would bother doing it. And they do. With great results and understanding.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:51 AM by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

What do you suggest rather than just looking at the box score in US Today?

 

 

Yup.

 

It's a damn good organization. As attested to by the fact that near 100% of NFL teams are signed on for their content. 

 

It shows that teams have great respect for their tape-watching skills and ability to put together stats and percentages and to understand the situations they see on tape.

 

Does this mean that all their opinions are the gold standard and may not be disagreed with? No, of course not. But it's equally as ridiculous to say PFF said it so it must be wrong as it is to believe every single iota of what they say.

 

A lot of the PFF hate in Buffalo comes from them saying we weren't very good back in the drought years when we weren't very good.

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Not all that surprising, considering he is a pass catching TE on an offense that:

 

1. Is #1 scoring offense in the NFL

2. Has has no demonstrated #1 WR

3. Is built on the principle of wide spread (everyone eats) distribution of the football.

4. Has the best QB in football.

IMHO., the fact that he’s only considered #10, is a detriment to his performance to date. 

 

 

 

 

He and that #1 QB had a greatly decreased connection. Yup, that QB is still #1. But no, he was not doing Kincaid any favors last year, he just wasn't.

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He and that #1 QB had a greatly decreased connection. Yup, that QB is still #1. But no, he was not doing Kincaid any favors last year, he just wasn't.

Please do explain…I have a different recollection. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Please do explain…I have a different recollection. 

https://x.com/_bbrandonn_/status/1902097850348998997 

 

I’ve seen  several stats highlighting this- but this is the quickest one that I found at the present.  
 

Cover1 has a couple episodes that expand on this.  
 

part of this could be on Kincaid as well…. But it was pretty clear to me the 86 had people beaten on several occasions only to have the ball hit the ground due to a pass that was off target.    Including the play where he was injured. 
 

17 is the lord and savior….but I agree with Thurman, he didn’t do Kincaid many favors last season.  

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Does this mean that all their opinions are the gold standard and may not be disagreed with? No, of course not. But it's equally as ridiculous to say PFF said it so it must be wrong as it is to believe every single iota of what they say.

 

A lot of the PFF hate in Buffalo comes from them saying we weren't very good back in the drought years when we weren't very good.

You have to look at the grade as a tool and then apply proper context to it.  It doesn't account for scheme, whether a player was put on a good situation or not, a guy playing hurt, adverse weather conditions, or how the quality of players around them impacted their "score."  You can't take it as gospel but it's a useful tool than just reading raw stats.

[uticaclub]

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

In this one.

 

Depends how much you weight each of his two years, but it's completely reasonable.  His first year he was top ten in receptions and yards. As a rookie, that's terrific. 

 

No doubt not as good in the second year and that appears to be somewhat from injury and somewhat from something being off between Allen and Kincaid and the play-caller.

 

 

 

 

Dude, what you've got there is an opinion, not a fact, full stop.

 

And a horrible analogy as well. Watching tape and evaluating it isn't listening to the notes they're not playing. Is he getting open, is he blocking downfield? Is the defense's coverage of his routes helping get other guys open. Is he blocking on the LOS and wherever they ask him to?

 

If it were that impossible to evaluate tape, nobody would bother doing it. And they do. With great results and understanding.

 

 

Not everyone understands or sees great results

[WNYFAN1]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

https://x.com/_bbrandonn_/status/1902097850348998997 

 

I’ve seen  several stats highlighting this- but this is the quickest one that I found at the present.  
 

Cover1 has a couple episodes that expand on this.  
 

part of this could be on Kincaid as well…. But it was pretty clear to me the 86 had people beaten on several occasions only to have the ball hit the ground due to a pass that was off target.    Including the play where he was injured. 
 

17 is the lord and savior….but I agree with Thurman, he didn’t do Kincaid many favors last season.  

Additionally, let's not pretend Josh had a prolific passing season last year. He was 14th in the NFL in passing yards and 7th in TDs.

[uticaclub]

Andrews

Bowers

Engram

Ferguson

Friermuth

Goedert

Henry

Hockenson

Kelce

Kittle

Kraft

LaPorta

Likely

McBride

Njoku

 

 

I just started naming tight ends and putting them in alphabetical order. Who would you start Kincaid over in week 1 from that list?

[strive_for_five_guy]

So what’s the skinny here?

[dorquemada]

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

In this one.

 

Depends how much you weight each of his two years, but it's completely reasonable.  His first year he was top ten in receptions and yards. As a rookie, that's terrific. 

 

No doubt not as good in the second year and that appears to be somewhat from injury and somewhat from something being off between Allen and Kincaid and the play-caller.

 

 

 

 

Dude, what you've got there is an opinion, not a fact, full stop.

 

And a horrible analogy as well. Watching tape and evaluating it isn't listening to the notes they're not playing. Is he getting open, is he blocking downfield? Is the defense's coverage of his routes helping get other guys open. Is he blocking on the LOS and wherever they ask him to?

 

If it were that impossible to evaluate tape, nobody would bother doing it. And they do. With great results and understanding.

 

 

 

PFF superfan has entered the chat

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

16 hours ago, transient said:

🤔... who? 🤔... Brendan? 🤔... is this Case Keenum punking me?

Me disguising the GM's name to avoid potential litigation.  I give way too much attention to his second contract giveaways. 🤔🤨😁

[billsfan89]

There's a good "eye test" case for Kincaid who in 13 games still put up 435 yards (26th best for TE's although if you projected out his production to 17 games he only moves up about 6-7 spots) that he was both hurt and unlucky. There were several times I remember as a casual fan where Josh just missed Kincaid or put Kincaid in a tough catch situation. It seemed like 75% of Josh's bad throws were to Kincaid for some bad reason. Then you throw in the injury and there's a case for a good bounce back season. Would I rank Kincaid in the top 10 going into the season? I would say probably not. Bowers/Kittle/Kelce/La Porta/McBride are firmly ahead then you have a ton of other borderline guys out there. So it would take a very generous take on Kincaid and a very sour one on the rest of the TE's to really put Kincaid top 10.

[SoTier]

15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Kincaid vs Oliver as this year’s TBD whipping boy

 

 

I don't know about Kincaid being the TBD Whipping Boy of the season ... it seems to me that Keon Coleman might have the edge here.

 

14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure why people don't recall why Kincaid fell out of favor.    He was HORRIBLE in the playoffs.   Even the one long catch he was credit for in the Denver game was clearly a drop that they got away with.   

 

Oh, please!   The TBD mob had their pitchforks out for Kincaid even before the season started, starting with all the complaints that the Bills should have drafted Sam LaPorta.

[Paup 1995MVP]

19 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

While i mostly agree that he was not very good last year, there are things... we as fans don't see.  How often he was open and should've been targeted, his performance as a blocker on run and pass plays, etc. 

He dropped the most important pass of the season.  That was awful.  
 

Surprised more wasn’t made about that over the offseason.  

[uticaclub]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yup.

 

It's a damn good organization. As attested to by the fact that near 100% of NFL teams are signed on for their content. 

 

It shows that teams have great respect for their tape-watching skills and ability to put together stats and percentages and to understand the situations they see on tape.

 

Does this mean that all their opinions are the gold standard and may not be disagreed with? No, of course not. But it's equally as ridiculous to say PFF said it so it must be wrong as it is to believe every single iota of what they say.

 

A lot of the PFF hate in Buffalo comes from them saying we weren't very good back in the drought years when we weren't very good.

It’s $25/month for data they may or may not use. Do you pay for a service you use maybe twice a year? Same thing.

Edited yesterday at 03:01 PM by uticaclub

[Just in Atlanta]

Just wait till he reaches 150 pounds.