2025 OTAs are underway

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

Not only that but we'd be getting a million leaks about what's going on behind the scenes. Competent organizations sure make for boring off seasons.

Unrelated, but I remember once my wife was talking about how this one couple was always so outspoken about how great their relationship was and how happy they were, and I told her I didn't buy it for a second. Happy people don't need to tell people they are happy 

 

They broke up like 6 months later

 

Also, the Jets suck. 6-11 incoming!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 5/27/2025 at 1:32 PM, HappyDays said:

I subscribe to texts from Matt Parrino, he sends out updates throughout OTAs and training camp. It's worth the $5 per month.

Anyone else read this, and picture the kid who delivered the Courier or the Buffalo News coming to your door to collect? 🤔

*
"Hi, it's Matt.  I'm collecting."

 

Edited Wednesday at 05:55 PM by Ridgewaycynic2013

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

He failed a physical.  I saw one report he was using a cane to walk

 

Rehabbin' ain't easy

 

[Logic]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

If nothing else it's notable that he's with the starting defense, and getting them into position at that. That tells you the coaching staff is impressed with how prepared he came into OTAs. This regime is not the type to hand out jobs based on draft position. If anything I would have expected Hamlin to have the job early by default and force Bishop to steal it from him. Instead Bishop has the job on day one of OTAs. That's promising.

 

Bishop's physical traits have never been in question. If his mental game has caught up that's a huge boon to the secondary.

Yeah my takeaway from the Joe B article with regard to Bishop is that the coaching staff was "impressed enough with how he progressed at practice throughout the year and in his game opportunities at the end of it" (paraphrased) to warrant not making more major investments at the position this offseason.

I also thought coach McDermott's offseason comments about giving Bishop every opportunity to win the starting job was a bit differently worded than the usual "everyone will compete" coach speak. It sounded to me like the language of a man who is all but expecting Bishop to earn the starting job this year. His running with the starting defense early on in OTAs suggests that this is probably how things will play out.

Edited Wednesday at 07:18 PM by Logic

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Yeah my takeaway from the Joe B article with regard to Bishop is that the coaching staff was "impressed enough with how he progressed at practice throughout the year and in his game opportunities at the end of it" (paraphrased) to warrant not making more major investments at the position this offseason.

I also thought coach McDermott's offseason comments about giving Bishop every opportunity to win the starting job was a bit differently worded than the usual "everyone will compete" coach speak. It sounded to me like the language of a man who is all but expecting Bishop to earn the starting job this year. His running with the starting defense early on in OTAs suggests that this is probably how things will play out.

Hey if it's Rapp and Bishop with Forrest helping that is a great thing.

[finn]

7 hours ago, SCBills said:

It could be as simple as do we pay Cook or McGovern. 
 

Both arguably Top 5 players at their position.

 

What makes you think McGovern is top 5? Not challenging you, just genuinely curious. I had him as a slightly above-average player. 

[SCBills]

17 minutes ago, finn said:

What makes you think McGovern is top 5? Not challenging you, just genuinely curious. I had him as a slightly above-average player. 

His play was fantastic last year, actually upgrading from Morse.. and just via most people I hear talk about him, that’s the caliber of player they reference, especially in terms of his value on the open market if we don’t extend him. 

[BillsShredder83]

On 5/27/2025 at 3:53 PM, appoo said:

Low key excited about Elijah Moore. He looked really talented early in his career

Anybody ever worked at an awful company: no-morale, dog-chit job, dimly lit, scowling faces everywhere... and then you get hired at a place where the environment is friendly, boss knows your name and gives you a little warm intro to the rest of the staff.... then you find your desk is right near a genuinely fun to be around kinda dude with similar interests. you look around and ppl are smiling!  the cars at your new job's parking are a fairly new looking, compared to the old place with a bungee cords strapping the hood down & trash bags over busted windows..

 

Yeah, thats what Moore is going through.  Dude was uber talented on a tier 1 college team, and landed on two pure trashpile organizations... with awful yet somehow still arrogant Coaches.... his best QB was post-accusation Watson, who's just there to cash his check.  

 

Anywho, Moore is experiencing a culture shock for the better.  No matter what; I think we get every last drop of juice the guy has in the tank.  It's possible we find out there isnt much juice in there, but a good coach's job is to find out and wring the sponge hard.  I have no doubt coach is going to have any easy time extracting WHATEVER is in the tank on Moore.

 

Dude is getting a Grade-A crack at receiving the 2nd most targets, on a Josh Allen led team! Hell, Im stoked for him as a person alone.

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Hey if it's Rapp and Bishop with Forrest helping that is a great thing.

 

I'd still like to know where they're having Forrest and Hancock lining up.

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Anybody ever worked at an awful company: no-morale, dog-chit job, dimly lit, scowling faces everywhere... and then you get hired at a place where the environment is friendly, boss knows your name and gives you a little warm intro to the rest of the staff.... then you find your desk is right near a genuinely fun to be around kinda dude with similar interests. you look around and ppl are smiling!  the cars at your new job's parking are a fairly new looking, compared to the old place with a bungee cords strapping the hood down & trash bags over busted windows..

 

Yeah, thats what Moore is going through.  Dude was uber talented on a tier 1 college team, and landed on two pure trashpile organizations... with awful yet somehow still arrogant Coaches.... his best QB was post-accusation Watson, who's just there to cash his check.  

 

Anywho, Moore is experiencing a culture shock for the better.  No matter what; I think we get every last drop of juice the guy has in the tank.  It's possible we find out there isnt much juice in there, but a good coach's job is to find out and wring the sponge hard.  I have no doubt coach is going to have any easy time extracting WHATEVER is in the tank on Moore.

 

Dude is getting a Grade-A crack at receiving the 2nd most targets, on a Josh Allen led team! Hell, Im stoked for him as a person alone.

 

Or hot girl.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

21 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

The only thing more worthless than training camp reports are OTA reports. I’ll wait for the first few games of the season for initial impressions.

 

 

I spent all this time queuing up this hyped-up video of Allen to Moore. It ended up being like a 7-yard out.

[BillsShredder83]

23 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

  It would probably serve him best to wait for the inevitable WR injuries to accrue in camp and find a place where he's needed despite his bad hands and limited route tree.   His 2025 salary being fully guaranteed by Jax already actually complicates things as I am sure a number of teams would like to give him a contract that is basically a de facto zero-risk camp invite for them.   He needs to get actual playing time to get his career back on track.

 

Wait, this isnt an actual contract language issue is it?

Or youre just saying teams are like "hey youre already getting paid for 2025, so sign here on the cheap, no double dipping" kinda thing.

 

Unless the landing place really serves him well for his next contract, he should tell those teams to kick rocks LOL

[SoonerBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I'd still like to know where they're having Forrest and Hancock lining up.

 

Or hot girl.

I think Forrest can be the big Safety on run downs

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

On Bishop:

 

 

This isnt surprising to me.  If theres one group i trust this FO in, its the secondary.  We saw Bernard look lost and overwhelmed year one.  Seems like its a tough rookie year leap in this scheme, but they have a knack for finding high IQ ball players.  Let's all hope his slow play last year was due to processing, and we see a major corner getting turned.  Man thatd be huge!

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, finn said:

What makes you think McGovern is top 5? Not challenging you, just genuinely curious. I had him as a slightly above-average player. 

I thought he was tremendous last year.  The best play at Center since Kent Hull retired.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

47 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Anybody ever worked at an awful company: no-morale, dog-chit job, dimly lit, scowling faces everywhere... and then you get hired at a place where the environment is friendly, boss knows your name and gives you a little warm intro to the rest of the staff.... then you find your desk is right near a genuinely fun to be around kinda dude with similar interests. you look around and ppl are smiling!  the cars at your new job's parking are a fairly new looking, compared to the old place with a bungee cords strapping the hood down & trash bags over busted windows..

 

Yeah, thats what Moore is going through.  Dude was uber talented on a tier 1 college team, and landed on two pure trashpile organizations... with awful yet somehow still arrogant Coaches.... his best QB was post-accusation Watson, who's just there to cash his check.  

 

Anywho, Moore is experiencing a culture shock for the better.  No matter what; I think we get every last drop of juice the guy has in the tank.  It's possible we find out there isnt much juice in there, but a good coach's job is to find out and wring the sponge hard.  I have no doubt coach is going to have any easy time extracting WHATEVER is in the tank on Moore.

 

Dude is getting a Grade-A crack at receiving the 2nd most targets, on a Josh Allen led team! Hell, Im stoked for him as a person alone.

I'm with you, let's see how he does on this team with Allen throwing him the ball.

[Toyo321]

Tre White Veteran cornerback struggles

White gave up a pair of touchdowns on the day - the first to Moore and then another to veteran receiver Curtis Samuel. White matched up with most of the Bills speedsters and had a few reps that didn’t go his way. The veteran was brought in to compete for the starting job opposite Christian Benford.

It’s just one practice and not worth overreacting to, but there are legitimate concerns about White’s ability to cover fast receivers at this stage of his career. When he did get beat in limited time with the Los Angeles Rams last season, it was usually down the field and while working against a faster player.

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2025/05/buffalo-bills-otas-week-1-observations-new-wr-shines-2-rookies-flash.html

 

I still am having a hard time trying to understand why they brought him back at all.  He played terrible in LA and with the Ravens.....After his injury recovery.

 

Its only OTA's and he can't keep up with our WR speed....

Edited 16 hours ago by Toyo321

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I thought he was tremendous last year.  The best play at Center since Kent Hull retired.  

Well ....

 But The Bills were able to run an upgraded run offense and pass pro in the middle was nice as well.

Seems very few play calls /adjustments were missed by him. ? But thats for you more focused fans to answer truly.

Definite big improvement over Morse. LG adjustment might have helped matters ?

6 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

Tre White Veteran cornerback struggles

White gave up a pair of touchdowns on the day - the first to Moore and then another to veteran receiver Curtis Samuel. White matched up with most of the Bills speedsters and had a few reps that didn’t go his way. The veteran was brought in to compete for the starting job opposite Christian Benford.

It’s just one practice and not worth overreacting to, but there are legitimate concerns about White’s ability to cover fast receivers at this stage of his career. When he did get beat in limited time with the Los Angeles Rams last season, it was usually down the field and while working against a faster player.

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2025/05/buffalo-bills-otas-week-1-observations-new-wr-shines-2-rookies-flash.html

 

I still am having a hard time trying to understand why they brought him back at all.  He played terrible in LA and with the Ravens.....After his injury recovery.

 

Its only OTA's and he can't keep up with the our WR speed....

Then he doesnt run on the outside them. he will be in the mix.

Package player perhaps. Smart player and very good ball awareness. Doubt that left him yet  , as his speed might have.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

23 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Just have an issue with your wording. IMO He has earned the right to negotiate for more money. I don’t believe he deserves a massive contract 

It's ok to disagree. I think he's better at his position that Oliver, Rousseau, Knox, Benford, and every other player except Milano, White, and Allen were at the time they got their second contracts.  He's an elite player that should get paid as such. 

 

I fully admit I am biased by running backs that can catch the ball out of the backfield. Thurman Thomas not Kelly was my favorite player of the 1990's teams.  I loved watching players like Tomlinson, Faulk, and Edgerrin James.  I value them more than WRs.  I know the league, the market, and this board disagrees. 

 

For the record I fully support the extensions Benford, Rousseau, and Shakir got.  All are very good players and all the deals were fair for both sides.  Just hope Beane trims the money spent by getting rid of Epenesa, DQ, Samuel, and moving on or redoing the Milano and Knox contracts by next year.  That should free up enough money to pay Cook either on the franchise tag or with an extension.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Anybody ever worked at an awful company: no-morale, dog-chit job, dimly lit, scowling faces everywhere... and then you get hired at a place where the environment is friendly, boss knows your name and gives you a little warm intro to the rest of the staff.... then you find your desk is right near a genuinely fun to be around kinda dude with similar interests. you look around and ppl are smiling!  the cars at your new job's parking are a fairly new looking, compared to the old place with a bungee cords strapping the hood down & trash bags over busted windows..

 

Yeah, thats what Moore is going through.  Dude was uber talented on a tier 1 college team, and landed on two pure trashpile organizations... with awful yet somehow still arrogant Coaches.... his best QB was post-accusation Watson, who's just there to cash his check.  

 

Anywho, Moore is experiencing a culture shock for the better.  No matter what; I think we get every last drop of juice the guy has in the tank.  It's possible we find out there isnt much juice in there, but a good coach's job is to find out and wring the sponge hard.  I have no doubt coach is going to have any easy time extracting WHATEVER is in the tank on Moore.

 

Dude is getting a Grade-A crack at receiving the 2nd most targets, on a Josh Allen led team! Hell, Im stoked for him as a person alone.

No doubt there is potential there with a massive upgrade at QB. Palmer and Moore on paper are quality signings and better than Samuel and Hollins were last year.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

It could be as simple as do we pay Cook or McGovern. 
 

Both arguably Top 5 players at their position.

 

RB is easier to find, but we also have the best OL Coach in the NFL. 

That's an interesting take and good discussion topic.  PFF for what it is worth had McGovern ranked 10th and Cook ranked 12th.  Maybe neither guy is worth an extension, LOL!    Torrence may still develop into a top guard too and he would be up for an extension after this year, though last year he looked only average.  I still have hopes for Van Pran-Granger to take the center spot in the future. He was a multi year starter in the SEC at Georgia.  Played against future NFL high draft picks almost every week.

I'd pay Cook and trust Beane to figure out the Center spot.