Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not assuming that he will and I’m not assuming that he won’t. I HOPE he improves. I’m not assuming it or not assuming it. 

 

It's good that you're not assuming because if you were, you'd risk making an ass out of you and ming.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

12 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

Steve Smith grades Keon and it's not favorable 

 

 

 

 

"He doesn't have the speed."  Case closed.  

[CoudyBills]

9 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

I did say “unscientifically”, to be fair. 
 

Indeed.  I was just being a wise ass, no malice intended.

[Mikie2times]

22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It isn't that he can't improve. It's that in round 1 (I know Keon was technically #33 but you take the point) you generally want high floor, high ceiling. By the end of the round those guys, inevitably, have gone so your choice is generally high floor, lower ceiling or low floor, high ceiling. Essnetially do you prefer the safe pick of swing for the fences. 

 

The problem with Keon is he is relatively low floor and lower ceiling. The way he has struggled so far in the pros is exactly the way those of us who didn't love him as a prospect thought he'd struggle. And the ways he has had success - screens and slants near the line of scrimmage 'ball in hand' and yards after catch - are the ways we thought he was most likely to succeed. When I first said as far ago as February last year that I thought he was a big slot at the next level I got a ton of pushback. Matt Harmon said the exact same thing 3 weeks later. So far the evidence supports our opinion.

I also think he would be much better fit for the big slot role. But we have Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid, Moore who are all likely better in the slot than anywhere else. Throw in Keon. Just not a lot of room for Keon to get reps there. 

 

[Richard Noggin]

22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect…But that really isn’t a fair list to show he has an affinity or type IMHO.  Only Gabe and Keon were drafted to be potential long term starters and were when we had no size in the WR room.  Mack was a bandaid to fill dirty work for the void Gabe left in a season we had $31M dead cap at WR alone.

 

Holmes was a ST player, Duke was a CFL nothing invested PS player, so was Shorter.  And KB was added midseason of a year we weren’t supposed to make the playoffs when we suddenly had a chance to break the drought.  And there were no other WRs traded, so it’s not like he had his pick and chose KB.  

 

Almost all the actual relevant WRs to play real minutes here were smaller.  We had John Brown…then he invested a first and a 4th in Diggs and gave him big money multiple times.  He added guys like Sanders, Samuel, and Shakir to play outside or mix in some outside.  Not

to mention the rest of our WR room had guys like Cole, McKenzie, Crowder, Harty, etc.  
 

So no offense, but I don’t think his type is what you think it is.  Yes went after size and toughness when Gabe left because all we had was a small WR room.  We use blocking at the WR position a lot, and it’s one of the reasons we originally drafted Gabe because we had no size.  Just like Keon, we had no size.  It’s not a “type” it was a hole in the roster when we added Mack/Keon last year and Gabe before them.  Our WR room was known as

midgets prior to Gabe getting here even.  
 

Beane does have a type though IMHO…his type is, and has been, balance.  Right or wrong, that’s his real type IMO.  And he has added some influence and second layer into his type lately too which is toughness as we were not physical enough across the table, not just at WR.

 

And I personally think last year was Allen’s best year playing QB, not the years throwing to small WRs and having the most turnovers in the NFL days.  Again, just my opinion, but I think more people believe 2024 was his best season than don’t.

 

Im personally excited to see what year 2 of Brady’s offense brings and how this team comes together.  

 

Does it change your argument a little if Duke Williams was a playoff starter for the Bills? Or if Davis was a starter for way too many postseasons? I totally agree that none of those listed rag-tag boundary options were ever meant to be the team's best option at the position, but that we ended up there nonetheless. 

[Figster]

On 5/16/2025 at 9:10 PM, LEBills said:

Basically exactly what there college RP was:

 

 

If you double the times targeted on Coleman which is almost what you have to do to get a fair comparison. For one the player targeted twice as much is given a much better opportunity to gel with the QB. In turn completion percentage will go up along with better performance route running in the NFL IMO. Big difference in size and Coleman does need to be used properly. Rookies

 

I also think it's interesting just by doubling the number of times Colemans targeted both players have similar production. Colemans averaging 5 yards more per reception. Mcconkey longest play 60 yards. Colemans, 64 yards

 

Apples and oranges...  

Edited 59 minutes ago by Figster