Gabe Davis released

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

He's brilliant but he's also a dork (different from being a nerd, which of course he is). He enjoys being a pedantic Buzz Killington about popular misconceptions and kinda publicly yucks people's (slightly and blissfully ignorant) yums. Not a great ambassador in that he doesn't inspire a ton of wonder, at least with his noisy public persona. 

 

I'll admit his first appearance on The Colbert Report (a billion years ago) is the episode when Colbert finally figured out his own character's persona. Amazing interview. 

 

Tyson would find a way to make an amazing, season-defining NFL replay seem less amazing once you realize that centrifugal force is not actually a real thing and that centripetal force, which is the actual concept, doesn't actually apply at all in this case. You see how arbitrary and pedantic that was to read? 

Well put together statement, 👍

 

Sometimes though, ya need a dork / nerd to set the record right, I reiterate “sometimes” lol, 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Pro Football Reference has 2024 Bills 9th in passing yards (also 9th in rushing yards). Where are you looking?

 

And either way, being ahead of the Bills in that category doesn't exactly correlate with season success. Not a GREAT indicator imho.

 

 

 

Thank you @Doc Brown for explaining it to @Richard Noggin.

 

The FACT is that they aren't generating the yardage thru the air that they should be with one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL.

 

The rankings I gave you are all prior to removing sack yardage.   

 

Are you under the impression that the Bills receivers are why Allen is avoiding sacks?

 

Because they aren't.

 

The Bills signature passing play is Allen going thru all of his reads, not being satisfied with the choices, and then scrambling right and throwing the ball on the run about 5+ seconds after the snap.  

 

Being able to play off schedule like that is a blessing but it's not a great long term strategy.   And as Allen approaches 30 you want to see LESS of those plays each year.   Instead, we see MORE.   All of Allen's biggest hits taken in 2024 were on those plays.    Ravens concussion,  Texans concussion and huge hits against Rams and Lions.   

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

As they should. Lost yardage due to sacks IS part of the passing game yardage. You can’t factor that out and call yourself honest.

 

I hate that they don't take it out of the individual's stat line anywhere, or ever account for it in fantasy football (i'm sure some do, just not common in this circle).  Completion percentage - doesn't factor in the plays where you didn't complete the ball, and got sacked.  Yards passing or rushing (they include it in rushing stats in college) don't factor it in either.  

 

Strouds stats for example last year compared to a sack reduced yardage total, and including it as an "incompletion".  

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

As they should. Lost yardage due to sacks IS part of the passing game yardage. You can’t factor that out and call yourself honest.

 

 

I didn't factor it out.    I used NFL offensive stats rankings because the point is the they are LITERALLY passing for less yardage than they had been in prior years,  relative to the rest of the league.

 

How much one thinks that reflects on the WR corps is one thing........there are plenty of other stats/metrics that indicate the Bills WR corps was/is not good.....they've been re-hashed many times.   Apparently the subject of passing for less yardage has struck a nerve with a few of you though.  

 

But Bills fans who watch the team every week giving the WR corps.......of all groups.........credit for Allen avoiding sacks would be the dumbest take of a long offseason of them.    The one group that never even pass blocks.   I hope you guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing because it's the height of foolishness.😂

Edited 2 hours ago by BADOLBILZ

[billsfan89]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Thank you @Doc Brown for explaining it to @Richard Noggin.

 

The FACT is that they aren't generating the yardage thru the air that they should be with one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL.

 

The rankings I gave you are all prior to removing sack yardage.   

 

Are you under the impression that the Bills receivers are why Allen is avoiding sacks?

 

Because they aren't.

 

The Bills signature passing play is Allen going thru all of his reads, not being satisfied with the choices, and then scrambling right and throwing the ball on the run about 5+ seconds after the snap.  

 

Being able to play off schedule like that is a blessing but it's not a great long term strategy.   And as Allen approaches 30 you want to see LESS of those plays each year.   Instead, we see MORE.   All of Allen's biggest hits taken in 2024 were on those plays.    Ravens concussion,  Texans concussion and huge hits against Rams and Lions.   

 

Not disagreeing with you but the Bills passing yards stats are likely deflated by the fact that the Bills were very good at grinding out the clock on the ground and the Bills having a dominant at times ground attack is something that keeps Josh healthy. I don't disagree that I would have liked for the Bills to do something better than Palmer/Moore to replace Cooper/Hollins at WR. But I'm also not gonna say that the Bills "liking what they have" at WR is a bad sign. If they feel Kincaid/Coleman are ready to develop more and that Palmer really is a very good fit and that a health Samuel will add some pop then perhaps that a better sign than we as fans from the outside think? There's also the idea that an in-season acquisition like Cooper is on the table and easier to fit cap wise. 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Not disagreeing with you but the Bills passing yards stats are likely deflated by the fact that the Bills were very good at grinding out the clock on the ground and the Bills having a dominant at times ground attack is something that keeps Josh healthy. I don't disagree that I would have liked for the Bills to do something better than Palmer/Moore to replace Cooper/Hollins at WR. But I'm also not gonna say that the Bills "liking what they have" at WR is a bad sign. If they feel Kincaid/Coleman are ready to develop more and that Palmer really is a very good fit and that a health Samuel will add some pop then perhaps that a better sign than we as fans from the outside think? There's also the idea that an in-season acquisition like Cooper is on the table and easier to fit cap wise. 

How sustainable is that though?  The problems is when the run game isn't rolling and we get far behind against a good defense we get stat lines from Allen of 9 of 30 for 131 yards or 16 of 29 for 180 yards.  Guys just aren't getting open.  Josh starts to press and some of his bad tendencies come back.  People point to the loss of Shakir but that shows how little talent/depth we had at the position.  I think you're correct and we may be WR hunting again during the season.

5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

As they should. Lost yardage due to sacks IS part of the passing game yardage. You can’t factor that out and call yourself honest.

I know it is.  Congratulations.  You suck less than we thought because our QB has become Houdini at avoiding negative plays because our WR's can't get open.

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

How sustainable is that though?  The problems is when the run game isn't rolling and we get far behind against a good defense we get stat lines from Allen of 9 of 30 for 131 yards or 16 of 29 for 180 yards.  Guys just aren't getting open.  Josh starts to press and some of his bad tendencies come back.  People point to the loss of Shakir but that shows how little talent/depth we had at the position.  I think you're correct and we may be WR hunting again during the season.

 

I am not disagreeing totally but I also think having a top 9 passing attack in terms of raw yards is pretty good when considering the context of the Bills having a lot of games where they were up big and very successfully grinding out the clock with a good running game means that passing yards are likely to be deflated a bit. I do think however had the team not made the addition of Cooper it would have struggled more at times offensively.

 

I know Cooper's output in terms of raw numbers wasn't great but his presence on the outside completely changed how defenses approached the offense. KC for example played the Bills defensively where they "dared" the Bills to beat them 1v1 on the outside and Cooper had those two long catches on the sidelines and KC stopped doing that and it opened up more underneath. And unless Palmer is the guy they think as far as winning 1 v 1 matchups on the outside and/or Keon takes that next step to being more consistent I do think there's gonna be a move made at WR to have that consistent (or at least more than respectable) 1 v 1 guy on the outside. 

I think the Bills front office is very prudent and let's be honest the pickings at WR in terms of a true outside boundary difference maker both in the draft and in free agency/trades were weaker. DK was the big one and I think the Bills front office decided that the cap costs and the draft cost was just too steep the rest were either guys who were more slot WR's or just weren't really available or cost too much (like D.Adams). The draft also didn't have a lot of true outside WR's and the value/need on defense made more sense. 

 

Overall I think them going with the approach of stress testing the WR's early and then seeing if they need to do a in season WR move makes the most sense as it is easier to fit the cap numbers once the big bonuses have been paid as have 5-6 weeks of salary by the trading team.