Gabe Davis released

[Captain Hindsight]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Failed physical. Maybe some setbacks?

Somebody in Reddit said he was using a cane 

[Malazan]

6 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Somebody in Reddit said he was using a cane 

 

He dropped so many balls with two hands.. with one hand on the cane.. I don't think it's a good idea to sign him.

[SCBills]

Fake Jordan Schultz account got the people fired up!

 

The comments 😂😂

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Do you know what hindsight is and why it matters when comparing the 2023 WR class compared to the 2025 WR class?

 

@Alphadawg7 digs in on things and ends up having to spiral into totally indefensible, illogical places to defend his takes.   It starts with him not owning up to an error or falsehood that he posted and then proceeds to saying insane things and finishing everything with a peace-out hoping you won't call him on it.   And he will keep replying trying to get the last word even if it means finishing 10 posts with peace outs.   Honestly it gets hilarious if you know enough not to take it seriously.   I give him credit for persistence but he really should take the gaslighting and denial of facts to the political arena.   Most of us are here because we are trying to avoid that kind of crap. 😂

 

This current WR corps has a poor long term track record,  it has a poor recent track record.   But we were having this same argument with the same people last year who were saying MVS and Claypool were going to re-discover themselves.  There isn't a lot of proof of concept with these players like there was with that 2023 room with Diggs and Davis coming off putting up 2K yards.   And even then it was obvious they weren't doing enough at the position.   

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

@Alphadawg7 digs in on things and ends up having to spiral into totally indefensible, illogical places to defend his takes.   It starts with him not owning up to an error or falsehood that he posted and then proceeds to saying insane things and finishing everything with a peace-out hoping you won't call him on it.   And he will keep replying trying to get the last word even if it means finishing 10 posts with peace outs.   Honestly it gets hilarious if you know enough not to take it seriously.   I give him credit for persistence but he really should take the gaslighting and denial of facts to the political arena.   Most of us are here because we are trying to avoid that kind of crap. 😂

 

This current WR corps has a poor long term track record,  it has a poor recent track record.   But we were having this same argument with the same people last year who were saying MVS and Claypool were going to re-discover themselves.  There isn't a lot of proof of concept with these players like there was with that 2023 room with Diggs and Davis coming off putting up 2K yards.   And even then it was obvious they weren't doing enough at the position.   

 

 

Bahaha still reeling from your blunder yesterday I see 😂.  The desperation and free rent I have in your head makes my nipples dance.  Never change boo 😘

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Fake Jordan Schultz account got the people fired up!

 

The comments 😂😂

 

 

Haha the comments have TSW vibes 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

@Alphadawg7 digs in on things and ends up having to spiral into totally indefensible, illogical places to defend his takes.   It starts with him not owning up to an error or falsehood that he posted and then proceeds to saying insane things and finishing everything with a peace-out hoping you won't call him on it.   And he will keep replying trying to get the last word even if it means finishing 10 posts with peace outs.   Honestly it gets hilarious if you know enough not to take it seriously.   I give him credit for persistence but he really should take the gaslighting and denial of facts to the political arena.   Most of us are here because we are trying to avoid that kind of crap. 😂

 

This current WR corps has a poor long term track record,  it has a poor recent track record.   But we were having this same argument with the same people last year who were saying MVS and Claypool were going to re-discover themselves.  There isn't a lot of proof of concept with these players like there was with that 2023 room with Diggs and Davis coming off putting up 2K yards.   And even then it was obvious they weren't doing enough at the position.   

 

 

Seems that way.  I come here to distract me from the headaches of everyday life and was only getting a headache arguing with him.  I tried the same tactic with my doctor when he told me my LDL's were high so I should eat less meat and I said "we're going to have to agree to disagree."

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Seems that way.  I come here to distract me from the headaches of everyday life and was only getting a headache arguing with him. 

 

Come on bro lol...you started the discussion because you disagree with an opinion I shared (which is fine and fair).  Then you continued to keep it going (also fair and kind of the point to a discussion), but got to the point it made me quit the discussion because it was starting to get silly and off the rails.  And I left it with an agree to disagree as there wasn't really anywhere else for the convo to go.  But now you come back with this sort of poorest me post?

 

Lol...no offense, but thats a bit much

 

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I tried the same tactic with my doctor when he told me my LDL's were high so I should eat less meat and I said "we're going to have to agree to disagree."

 

I will give you this though, this was pretty funny and I legit laughed, so kudos on that 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 5/7/2025 at 9:43 AM, RoscoeParrish said:

 

I think there’s a 50-50 shot he’s back in Buffalo.

As usual Beane won’t get the credit for being smart enough to let Gabe Davis walk instead of paying him the 39 million he would’ve wanted to lure him away from the Jags. 
 

Davis should also send Josh Allen 39 million ‘thank you’ notes.

Edited 12 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Mat68]

16 hours ago, BuffaloDave55 said:

Mack for the cheap?  New England overpaid him.  Palmer will stretch field which is highly needed.

Mack great weird dude.  He caught 31 of 50 targets for 378 yards.   Not great.  More and Palmer way more productive.  

[GolfandBills]

Signing with the Giants

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, GolfandBills said:

Signing with the Giants

fake accounts. 

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Seems that way.  I come here to distract me from the headaches of everyday life and was only getting a headache arguing with him.  I tried the same tactic with my doctor when he told me my LDL's were high so I should eat less meat and I said "we're going to have to agree to disagree."

 

Yep.  It can be a headache if you take it at all seriously.   CBiscuit used to have the same totally irrational persona.   Logic had an illogical persona.   They eventually seemed to realize that sports isn't as complicated as they had thought.   We don't need Neil DeGrasse Tyson to explain to us how there is no "now" in sports so we can draw abstract conclusions.    Just compare apples to apples, please. 🍎    

[Captain Hindsight]

If Gabe was released a failed physical after giving him a 10 million dollar bonus this offseason, His injury has to be pretty severe

[Starr Almighty]

23 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think we know more than you may realize...

• We know Diggs wasn't the same in Brady's offense and also had some big drops. 
• We know that Palmer is seen to have better hands, bigger route tree, better route runner, and more consistent at getting open than Davis has been. 
• We know Keon was on pace as a rookie before he got hurt in week 11 to hit 800-900 yards and 7+ TD's. And this was despite not being a full time starter, playing in a spread the ball around offense that saw Allen connecting with 8 to 10 different receivers most weeks.
• We know Shakir is a better player in 2025 than he was in 2023. 
• We know Samuel is better than Sherfield. 
• We know Moore is better than Harty.  

So yes, we haven't seen the group on the field yet...nothing is certain...but its more than reasonable to think our WR situation is better today than when Gabe Davis last walked off the field playing for the Bills.  

 

 

I have a question. In this post you replaced everyone with someone on the roster and I agree with most of it. The only person you didn't/couldn't replace is Diggs. Isn't that a huge loss when comparing the 2 seasons?

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[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

I have a questions. In this post you replaced everyone with someone on the roster and I agree with most of it. The only person you didn't/couldn't replace is Diggs. Isn't that a huge loss when comparing the 2 seasons?

 

Totally fair question and good question - If you are going to pick what WR between the 2 years is the most accomplished or best overall player, the only correct answer is Diggs.  But these are the considerations that also factor in:

1. This is a 5 vs 5 comparison, not which of the 2 groups had the single most talented player.  
2. Talent is only part of the equation, its about how does that fit in within the offense we run.  Diggs not only was no where near the same player in Brady's offense he had been during his tenure in Buffalo, but he wasn't even the leading receiver (Shakir was) during that period despite double the targets of anyone else under Brady.  
3. Josh I fully believe is better without him than with him and the tension he brings.

Was Diggs still a strong WR1 in 2023, yes of course.  Was he as good as he had been his first 2 years in Buffalo where he was a top 5 WR in the NFL, not IMO.  Was he as good as he was in 2022...maybe, but he didn't look like it the 2nd half of 2023 in Brady's system and had costly drops, including one that could changed the outcome of the KC game on a dime bomb from Allen.  And honestly I thought he faded some the 2nd half of 2022 and postseason too under Dorsey.

 

I was a big Diggs guy, my dogs name is Diggs.  This isn't to throw shade at him.  I was even one of the ones (who was totally wrong) and put his foot in his mouth and thought there was no chance Beane would take the massive cap hit to move him when we did and thought he would instead do it in 2024 if things remained tense with him and Allen/Team.  But make no mistake about it, I was also very confident that we got better as a team and offense through addition by subtraction when we moved on from Diggs drama and let Gabe leave.  

 

And if you check my 2023 offseason history, you will see that wasn't just hindsight, I was very vocal about that belief.  During the season in 2023, I started threads demanding things like calling for Dorsey to get fired, less snaps for Gabe and more for Shakir, etc.  In the offseason, I started the Calling it now thread on Shakir the day after Diggs was traded, kept telling everyone Mack Hollins is better than people think and will have a real role in the offense, that the offense would still be top 5 in the NFL, we might see Josh Allens most efficient and best season, and that it would maybe be Allens best shot at MVP when he does given the perceptions heading into the season about the WR room.  I said all those things a lot all offseason.

 

So while I know Diggs is the best "individual", I don't think just having him in the WR room makes it the best group for this offense and Allen.  Nor do I think the 2023 version of Diggs is talented enough to erase the deficit I think the rest of the 2023 group faces in comparison to the 2025 group.  

 

Just my 2 cents

[Starr Almighty]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Totally fair question and good question - If you are going to pick what WR between the 2 years is the most accomplished or best overall player, the only correct answer is Diggs.  But these are the considerations that also factor in:

1. This is a 5 vs 5 comparison, not which of the 2 groups had the single most talented player.  
2. Talent is only part of the equation, its about how does that fit in within the offense we run.  Diggs not only was no where near the same player in Brady's offense he had been during his tenure in Buffalo, but he wasn't even the leading receiver (Shakir was) during that period despite double the targets of anyone else under Brady.  
3. Josh I fully believe is better without him than with him and the tension he brings.

Was Diggs still a strong WR1 in 2023, yes of course.  Was he as good as he had been his first 2 years in Buffalo where he was a top 5 WR in the NFL, not IMO.  Was he as good as he was in 2022...maybe, but he didn't look like it the 2nd half of 2023 in Brady's system and had costly drops, including one that could changed the outcome of the KC game on a dime bomb from Allen.  And honestly I thought he faded some the 2nd half of 2022 and postseason too under Dorsey.

 

I was a big Diggs guy, my dogs name is Diggs.  This isn't to throw shade at him.  I was even one of the ones (who was totally wrong) and put his foot in his mouth and thought there was no chance Beane would take the massive cap hit to move him when we did and thought he would instead do it in 2024 if things remained tense with him and Allen/Team.  But make no mistake about it, I was also very confident that we got better as a team and offense through addition by subtraction when we moved on from Diggs drama and let Gabe leave.  

 

And if you check my 2023 offseason history, you will see that wasn't just hindsight, I was very vocal about that belief.  During the season in 2023, I started threads demanding things like calling for Dorsey to get fired, less snaps for Gabe and more for Shakir, etc.  In the offseason, I started the Calling it now thread on Shakir the day after Diggs was traded, kept telling everyone Mack Hollins is better than people think and will have a real role in the offense, that the offense would still be top 5 in the NFL, we might see Josh Allens most efficient and best season, and that it would maybe be Allens best shot at MVP when he does given the perceptions heading into the season about the WR room.  I said all those things a lot all offseason.

 

So while I know Diggs is the best "individual", I don't think just having him in the WR room makes it the best group for this offense and Allen.  Nor do I think the 2023 version of Diggs is talented enough to erase the deficit I think the rest of the 2023 group faces in comparison to the 2025 group.  

 

Just my 2 cents

I get what you are saying and I don't know if Diggs fell off or he wasn't party of the offense by design seeing that they traded him the very next off-season. My point is you replaced Gabe with Palmer and went down the line but there was no Diggs replacement. I'd argue that even in 2023 he's better than anyone on the current roster. I also agree that Josh benefited by not having him pressuring him for the ball all game

[MasterStrategist]

A blocking WR with downfield ability- if healthy - isn't the latter, what everyone thought we missed in this draft?

 

I still don't think Gabe signs, but if he does, then depth behind Keon and Palmer is helpful.  Those will be our 2 downfield threats, and likely best blocking WR (other than Shakir). 

 

Wrs need to be an extension of the run game under Brady, and either WR4 or WR5 better be a consistent presence on special teams on gameday.  I could see us keep 6 WRs and Moore is the weekly inactive.

[harmonkillebrew]

Not saying I want Gabe back, but he would immediately be our top boundary WR (if healthy). He's better than Keon and Palmer.

Still would rather have re-signed Mack or even Amari. 

We proved we don't really need a top X receiver to produce in Brady's offense. We get production from slot, TE and RB. But Big Game Gabe would be nice to have in our back pocket as depth, if we aren't going to try harder to get a real playmaker

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

I get what you are saying and I don't know if Diggs fell off or he wasn't party of the offense by design seeing that they traded him the very next off-season. My point is you replaced Gabe with Palmer and went down the line but there was no Diggs replacement. I'd argue that even in 2023 he's better than anyone on the current roster. I also agree that Josh benefited by not having him pressuring him for the ball all game

 

I agree with you...Diggs in 2023 is the most talented individual player between the two WR rooms, even if thats not peak Diggs.  No dispute from me...but its what "group" is better, and 2023 Diggs isn't so good that it elevates that lesser whole room to be better than the 5 collective guys we have today IMO.  

 

Now add in how his impact fell off in Brady's system, the overall drama and dark cloud he brought to the team, and the impact having him or not having him has on Josh's game and it really diminishes his "value' in how I would look at it.

 

So for me IMHO, the 2025 group as a whole is a better unit, will get better results, and will give us the best chance to win a SB over the 2023 group if it was all here today exactly as it was in 2023.